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Megaton Cat
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The levels from the new Naruto game on the x360 look simply ace. The use of details to bring out detail is spot on. What kills me is looking at this and knowing I could do as good of a job if I was given the time to make textures, and the same powerful tools. I've tried many times to create huge, high poly environments like this for use with DBP, and every thing's failed. Even when we came up with genius ways to cut polys and load maps bit by bit, I could never get the Gile[s] or 3DWS lightmapper to properly lightmap such high detail areas.

Man, this really really makes me wanna jump back into level design. I wish I could do this as an actual job!! But if you've ever meddled with level design, you should really appreciate these:







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Agent Dink
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The levels look awesome and the Cel Shading looks awesome, but I don't think they mix well in this instance. IMO they really seem to clash.

I know what you mean about wishing for time, tools, and motivation though.

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tha_rami
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I agree with Agent Dink. The styles clash, but this could be due to the staticness of the screenshots. Personally, I hope they will make sure the styles match somewhat better.


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I think they clash in the second and third pic, but not the first. I think that's because of the motion, and in the first shot, the two different styles look good together.

And yes, that does look pretty tasty.

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I don't like the cartoony stuff either
The scenery looks awesome, looks like you could touch it

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Not as great as COD4 scenery the scenery just looks great!

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Gil Galvanti
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Nice scenery, but I can't stand a) the anime style in this setting, and b) the 2D looking people with the 3D world.


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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Has no-one who made the first screenshot heard of normal smoothing?


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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I agree, the terrain is horrid, everything else is spot on though.

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tf2 levels + all the cool effects rox ur sox, but the stuff Mega posted is real purty too

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Nemesis_0_
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Is that naruto *pukes* why is everything nowdays about naruto! search a song on youtube! i bet theres a NARUTO AMV for it!
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Yeah, I think that the cel shading and scenery clash too

Quote: "search a song on youtube! i bet theres a NARUTO AMV for it! "


I tried that out, I got 2 on the 1st page, although there were lots of other anime AMV's (e.g. Dragonball Z) there too.

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Agent Dink
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I hate all those anime AMVs. They rarely ever even make sense with the song. A good majority don't even go with the pace or beat of the song. Ugh.

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Quote: "I hate all those anime AMVs. They rarely ever even make sense with the song. A good majority don't even go with the pace or beat of the song. Ugh."

Indeed. However, some people(Like, 1/10000) seems to have some skill.

And Naruto is quite overrated. It's like a second Dragonball. (Except that the main villain lives through more episodes in Naruto than any of the main villains in Dragonball.)
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Err, firstly this game already came out, secondly in motion the styles don't clash (though I agree they do in static), and finaly, I got rid of my last point as I see no use in explaining how silly it is to dislike cartoony graphics. It's like saying Dinasaur is a species.

People need to be a bit more specific.


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A bit more specific? You need to be a bit more specific with what you mean . I don't understand what you're trying to say.


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Quote: "It's like a second Dragonball. "


That's what people always say. But I simply don't see it that way. Dragonball and Dragonball Z were awesome. Naruto is just boring. The fights are nowhere near as awesome. I've tried watching it, I just can't.

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I agree with Agent Dink here - I never had that 'click' with Naruto, aswhere Dragonball (Z) immediatly had me hooked. From the first episode I saw (I think I dropped in at the Frieza sage, the part with the Ginyu Force versus Vegeta) I've watched it without missing a single episode. When they restarted from the beginning after the Cell sage, I watched again, and once more, before they started the Buu saga.

It's amazing how I still love to check some DBZ up on YouTube.


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I've watched the whole Dragonball and DBZ myself, and it's quite longwinded, as Naruto is. In addition, it's standard shounen anime, in other words:

Main chara special for some reason(And definetly not the brightest in the world), fights, becomes stronger, gets beaten, becomes stronger, fights, beats the guy who beat him, gets stronger, etc.

The main differences is, if we exclude the setting(Colourful Ninjas and Alien Martial Artists), that the characters in DB always has a goal, which usually is getting the Dragonballs and beating the next strong villain(And he gets beaten), while Naruto has a single villain that they NEVER get to(Okay, so they've got Akatsuki in addition, but they've more or less been around for ages, too.), and most of the episodes are either stupid filler episodes where the story lasts only that episode(And has no impact what so ever on the coming episodes) or are dragged out as much as possible, when they could actually have three episodes in one. And sometimes, it's both at once.
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DBZ definitely had a repeating story, but it kept itself a bit exciting every time. For example, I gasped when Trunks was killed by Cell. Everything was just spot on in DBZ.


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I agree, well, at least much more exciting than in Naruto.
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www.dbz-media.nl is a site with all the DB DBZ and DBGT episodes and alot of other anime. I don't know if it's legal but it's been up for a longtime now...

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I liked Naruto up too episode 120 I believe.

There was some nice stuff in there but the writers lost control of the story at a certain point. It got way too ridicules. You know how the Japanese are...

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I agree that the "photo realistic" look of the environment clashes with the cell and line shading of the characters as well as the HUD. I think they should have gone with a similar realistic look on everything.


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That's around where the anime caught up with the manga, usually this means that the anime takes a break but because Naruto is HUGE they decided to make over a year full of fillers (that has nothing to do with the manga). Everybody hates fillers because they suck 99.9% of the time as they are filled with stupidity, bad story lines and out of character behavior. The new "season" called Naruto Shippuuden (34 episodes so far) follows the manga once again, set 2½ years after the end of the first "season". With the exception of some extremely drawn out battle scenes (they draw out scenes in the anime to make it not catch up with the manga too quickly) Shippuuden is great.

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Shippuuden is a bit better than the original Naruto, but the drawn out battles makes it so boring. :/ I actually had my hopes up for the first episodes, but then I was let down.
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I've seen the first few Shippuuden episodes, and I've liked them up until it dawned on me that the battle scenes have gone the way of DBZ. A ridicules cast of villains, unrealistic character strengths and extremely long and boring fights really messed it up for me. Were they making the battles 3-5 episodes in length on purpose to allow the manga to catch up?

The animation style and over all quality improved, and it was nice that you were now watching an older cast rather than 12 year olds, but it still didn't cut it.

I just liked the original concept of kids being trained to be ninjas at a ninja academy. They just couldn't keep it fresh.

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Aikicat:
First off I noticed that the mountains in the first shot looks quite awful and that there's no AA in the first 2 pictures. The environment looks amazing in the 3rd shot, only a few places have noticeable polygon edges.

There's no "they" in manga. Like most mangas Naruto have a single creator (Masashi Kishimoto), he draws 19 pages a week (except for weeks when he doesn't draw at all) and he have a team that cleans and fills in the shadows for him, then it's printed in the Japanese Shoonen Jump. The anime is then based on the manga, which is about 20 minutes (without intro/outro) and airs once a week. You cannot make 19 pages last 20 minutes unless you stretch the content or add in filler episodes. That's why they added the additional stuff at the ending of each episode, makes it less then 20 min to fill.

It's not like there are just more and more powerful battles like in DBZ, Akatsuki and others where powerful from the start while the kids have to improve as they grow older. BTW, the battle against Freeza in DBZ (after all his minions where defeated) lasted something like 30-40 episodes IIRC (was many years since I counted them).

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Quote: "like 30-40 episodes"


...roughly LOL. It was huge.

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It might actually have been more then 40 episodes

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Yeah, that was the highlight of the series. That was basically all I could handle, but I watched it as the show had me hooked prior to that and I wanted to see how it ends. Every "boss battle" after that was equally long and I stopped, except for a few of the Boo episodes.

And by "they" I was referring to the Naruto show writers, not Masashi Kishimoto. I just didn't like how they proportioned the manga into the anime.

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Quote: "I just liked the original concept of kids being trained to be ninjas at a ninja academy. They just couldn't keep it fresh."


Well, there are two ways to interpret that. I would assume you didn't like the move from "kids at a ninja academy" to Shippuden. Kishimoto's idea from the start (as shown in the "pilot") is a kid with a monster inside who learns to adjust to the world or something like that (was a long time since I read it). The whole idea of Naruto is to watch him grow up to become hokage.

The problem with a popular series is that the suits wants to make money. Only the manga authors themselves can do a good job but they don't work fast enough to cover demand so that's why the anime is stretched, to make more money. The more popular the series is the worse it gets. Some animes contains less then the manga, some anime shows gets canceled while the manga continues. It's all about the money.

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Quote: "It's all about the money."

Sadly, that is true.
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