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Geek Culture / A question concerning copyright (Half Life fan video)

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Opposing force
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Posted: 9th Dec 2007 19:01 Edited at: 9th Dec 2007 19:02
Ok so this is the deal. Me and a group of friends want to make our own little Internet series based on Half Life. We're going to be filming it in real time using video cameras. We're not going to charge anyone for watching it as it will be free to view on Youtube. Now, there are thousands of fan videos out there for games and movies and stuff so this doesn't seem to be a big deal. When we go ahead with this, will Valve rip us to pieces or will they see it as how dedicated their fans are? We're also English and I've been trying to contact Valve for ages now.

Here's a teaser (it's not finished yet)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=w0Fzu_xwxyk

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Posted: 9th Dec 2007 19:03
If you ask me, you're just people having fun.


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Posted: 9th Dec 2007 19:05
as long as you dont profit from it directly, or claim any of their stuff you might use (media) as your own, it shouldnt be a problem.

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Posted: 9th Dec 2007 19:44
Ah, thank you both so much. My mind is at rest now.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 03:12
read this before you waste 4 years of your life on a fan film http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7010484.stm

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 15:45 Edited at: 11th Dec 2007 08:31
That film is basically the equivalent of me and a group of mates trying to sell a film we made about Halo. Which is obviously completely illegal.

However using a game engine to make a film that isn't based upon any story or events in the game should be legal. Besides, if the series becomes popular, it is good advertising for that game engine.

Just look at Red vs Blue, excellent advertising for the Halo Engine.

[EDIT]Sorry I thought you were using the game engine! My Bad.
I don't know the legalities, but if its non profit it should be fine[/EDIT]

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 16:23 Edited at: 10th Dec 2007 16:23
Quote: "if the series becomes popular, it is good advertising for that game engine."


It can give the game a bad name if it's a bad movie. I'm pretty sure this breaks copyright. However, I highly doubt valve would care. But don't be surprised if they send you a cease and desist letter.

They'd certainly not sue you or anything as long as you're not selling anything based on it. They'd just ask you to stop if anything.

If you get their permission, then you're good to go If they say 'no' then I'd leave it alone... if they never respond... it's up to you


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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 17:11
Ok thank you everyone. By the way, what do you people think of the trailer so far?

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 23:47
Quote: "what do you people think of the trailer so far?"


It looks pretty good, but where in Black Mesa is that supposed to be? it doesn't look familiar...

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 12:29
This kind of thing is always tricky due to copyright laws. Valve might loose some of their rights if they would allow a movie like this. If nothing else they are unable to sell exclusive rights to anyone else in the future.

The trailer is pretty cool but the sounds and video didn't appear to be synced.

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 21:14
Quote: "Ah, thank you both so much. My mind is at rest now."


Are you kidding? Why on Earth are you coming here to this forum to ask this question? If I were concerned about running afoul of the law in a situation which could potentially cost me thousands, I think I might ask... oh, I don't know... maybe a lawyer that question.

It's bad enough when people come to the forum to ask programming questions to which they could easily get definitive answers with only a few minutes experimentation on their part, but to think that you can get sound legal advice here is mind-boggling.

I’m not giving an opinion on your question one way or the other. I’m just saying that this isn’t the place to ask it. If you have legal concerns, you need to ask a qualified legal professional.

I have to go now and start a thread about the severe chest pains, shortness of breath and blood I’ve been coughing up lately so someone on these forums can advise me as to what to do about it.

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 21:25 Edited at: 11th Dec 2007 21:30
Quote: " I think I might ask... oh, I don't know... maybe a lawyer that question."


Well, has it occurred to you that someone or some people on the forum might actually be a lawyer? Somebody might have good knowledge of these circumstances. I visit and have visited this forum for a lot longer than you so since I am used to this community, I thought I might as well ask. So far, I have had nothing but "good" comments, then you, someone who has barely completed post approval, comes in flaming. Go argue in notepad or something.

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 21:48
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Are you kidding? Why on Earth are you coming here to this forum to ask this question?"

Are you kidding? Why on Earth are you coming to this thread just to complain?


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Posted: 12th Dec 2007 23:40
I may not have been around these forums for very long, but I'm pretty sure I've been around life a lot longer than most of the people here. If you regard seeking advice concerning serious issues - such as the law - from people you feel comfortable with as opposed to qualified professionals as a good idea, well, good luck with that.

Your definition of a "good" comment seems to be when people tell you what you want to hear. Your characterization of my statements that these forums aren't the best (or even a good) source of legal advice as "flaming" suggests that this is the case. These forums are a wonderful source of information regarding TGC products and an excellent opportunity to interact with people with a common interest. But legal advice?

I've been around here long enough to have read a few threads and I know that this question has come up before in relation to the making of games based on a franchise not owned by the game maker. The majority of comments are encouraging and supportive (which is great as far as that goes), but without any legal foundation whatsoever. Do you actually believe that any of the people here are copyright attorneys? I didn’t see any responses to your question that began with "I’m a copyright attorney in the country you live in and my opinion is... "

Rather than intending to complain, I was offering OpFor what I regard as the best advice on the topic that I think he is likely to get - if in fact he wants a serious answer and isn‘t just looking for validation from his peers. My incredulity that he would ask this question and accept an answer here probably came through in my post as disdain or ill temperament.

I have great respect for the programming abilities of many of the people around here and think that some are great people. But I don’t think that anyone here should take exception to my insinuation that their legal acumen may not be adequate to correctly answer this question. I know mine isn’t.



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Posted: 12th Dec 2007 23:42
Quote: "I may not have been around these forums for very long, but I'm pretty sure I've been around life a lot longer than most of the people here. If you regard seeking advice concerning serious issues - such as the law - from people you feel comfortable with as opposed to qualified professionals as a good idea, well, good luck with that.

Your definition of a "good" comment seems to be when people tell you what you want to hear. Your characterization of my statements that these forums aren't the best (or even a good) source of legal advice as "flaming" suggests that this is the case. These forums are a wonderful source of information regarding TGC products and an excellent opportunity to interact with people with a common interest. But legal advice?

I've been around here long enough to have read a few threads and I know that this question has come up before in relation to the making of games based on a franchise not owned by the game maker. The majority of comments are encouraging and supportive (which is great as far as that goes), but without any legal foundation whatsoever. Do you actually believe that any of the people here are copyright attorneys? I didn’t see any responses to your question that began with "I’m a copyright attorney in the country you live in and my opinion is... "

Rather than intending to complain, I was offering OpFor what I regard as the best advice on the topic that I think he is likely to get - if in fact he wants a serious answer and isn‘t just looking for validation from his peers. My incredulity that he would ask this question and accept an answer here probably came through in my post as disdain or ill temperament.

I have great respect for the programming abilities of many of the people around here and think that some are great people. But I don’t think that anyone here should take exception to my insinuation that their legal acumen may not be adequate to correctly answer this question. I know mine isn’t.

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Nice to see that rephrased.


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Posted: 12th Dec 2007 23:44 Edited at: 12th Dec 2007 23:46
Quote: "Are you kidding? Why on Earth are you coming here to this forum to ask this question? If I were concerned about running afoul of the law in a situation which could potentially cost me thousands, I think I might ask... oh, I don't know... maybe a lawyer that question."


Fair enough, but unless you're going to personally cough up the cash for him to do that, stop complaining already.


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Posted: 13th Dec 2007 07:42
Quote: "Fair enough, but unless you're going to personally cough up the cash for him to do that, stop complaining already."


That’s a valid point. But I have had occasion to consult with an attorney before getting involved in something that I had legal questions and/or concerns about. This was several years ago, but if I remember correctly I paid $25.00 USD to sit down with the guy and have my concerns addressed. I wonder if the people who paid more than 10,000 euros to make the fan film described in the article that Gator Hex posted a link to would have regarded that as a good investment (I had already read that article before this thread appeared). I think the question Opposing Force should be asking himself right now is “Can I afford to not speak with an attorney?”

I’m pretty sure that the people who made the Warhammer 40k film thought that Games Workshop (or whoever) wouldn’t find out about the film, or that if they did, they wouldn’t take legal action. They probably thought that if the company with deep pockets and intellectual property rights to protect did find out about the film, that they’d be happy that fans thought so much of the franchise as to make a film about it and that they’d be glad for the publicity. They thought wrong.

But I’m ready to wrap this up, so Opposing Force:
Good luck with your project. I’m sure it’ll be great. I’m obviously in the minority with my concerns over possible legal repercussions and where you should go to find out what they may be, so don’t worry about it.

P.S. I’ve read some threads where people have taken umbrage to having their screen names perverted. OPFOR is a US military term which means “opposing force”. I just used it in my previous post probably because I’ve heard it so many times. I didn’t mean anything by it.



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Posted: 13th Dec 2007 22:41
Ok, thank you Rain Man.

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