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Geek Culture / Does anyone actually find Aero useful?

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bond1
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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 07:51
I've been using Vista Home Premium for the better part of a year now. I very quickly disabled the fancy new Aero interface in favor of the basic interface. In fact, I've pretty much disabled ALL of Vista's new "features" to make it feel more snappy like XP (UAC *cough cough*).

So other than eye candy, does anyone find the Aero interface useful? I didn't, I found the transparent windows were distracting, and the 3d flip pretty useless too. I also though it was sluggish, browsing pictures and videos is much faster for me with Aero turned off, and I have an 8800 card! Plus, 3ds max disables/enables the Aero interface everytime the program is run, so that was distracting as well.

Am I just not getting it? Does it actually help you work any faster?

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 07:56
Kinda. It helps me know my GPU is actually working, and (for some reason) that helps me know DirectX is too. So I stop blaming my problems on video drivers and DirectX "bugs" (Which probably don't exist), and am able to work faster. Keeping in mind I program in C++ and Direct3D 9.0c (And 10 soon hopefully).

The Aero interface is usefull for me because I'm not distracted by an ugly interface.

UAC is also usefull for me, because my sister likes to do stupid internet things, so it's helped me out before. Windows Defender helped me remove something that kept trying to startup, and Vista is running pretty smoothly.

This'll turn to a stupid flame war though. "VIsta sucks" "Vista rocks" "Linux sucks" "Linux rocks", etc.


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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 08:17 Edited at: 10th Dec 2007 08:25
No, I don't want this to be a flame war, if it turns that way I'll request it be locked.



I just want to know what people think of the Aero interface. Fair enough, you like it because without the distraction of an ugly interface I guess it helps you work better. I guess I'm looking for a less anectodal type answer and more concrete ways that Aero helps improve the computing experience. Mainly I'm just wondering if I'm missing out on some new awesome way of interacting with my computer.

Hehe, as for UAC, I'd rather buy each of my family members their own cheap Dell to use, rather than let them get anywhere near my PC, and have to deal with that endless barrage of popups from UAC. I just absolutely cannot handle that. A simple ctrl-c/ctrl-v makes me want to murder someone with UAC on.

Ok, I've said enough about UAC, I want to keep this about Aero.

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hessiess
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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 08:37 Edited at: 10th Dec 2007 08:37
its useless graphical fluff just like compez-fusion etc. the only thing it acheves is wasting graphics processing power that could be used on something productive (3d modeling)

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 10:29
It's awesome.

It's not useful at all but it sure is pretty.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 16:09
Quote: "compez-fusion"


Compiz is actually useful, zooming is my favorite feature of all time And the screen sliding when going from desktop1 to desktop 2 is very nice. And on top of that, you get to see wobbly windows! Hurray!


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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 17:05 Edited at: 10th Dec 2007 17:08
Yes. It's pretty. Flip 3D is kinda useful too.

Oh, and UAC is a gift from heaven on multiuser PC's, where 3 kids (my father counts as a kid on digital territory) abuse the interweb.


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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 18:04
Quote: "Oh, and UAC is a gift from heaven on multiuser PC's, where 3 kids (my father counts as a kid on digital territory) abuse the interweb."


My little lamp on the wall flashed red some time ago and said "possible grammar fault detected!" So off i went in the grammar-mobile.

In other words....I believe you mean "were", and not "where".

Thank you, have a nice day.

On topic: I have only used Vista for about 6 hours in total, but i didn't find AERO to be that useful. As long as stuff works, i don't care that much how good it looks. Perhaps that's why i still play the NES....

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 18:22 Edited at: 10th Dec 2007 18:54
Actually, he is using the right where.

"were 3 kids abuse the interweb" makes unsense.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 18:26
I found one thing Aero is incredibly useful for... Making your computer sluggish.


I thought it looked quite cool, all "glassy" and such, but I prefer function over form anyday... So I turned it off. Also turned off all that annoying crap that appears on the right side of the desktop. Guess I just miss XP.
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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 20:11
Quote: "Actually, he is using the right where."


Yes.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 20:50 Edited at: 10th Dec 2007 20:50
*Toggles hessiess' post*
Anyway, I can't figure out how to use the Flip3D.
I'm going to use Windows Classic.


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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 20:52
i turned of UAC, but i think aero looks nice...

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 21:25
What is the point of telling someone you toggled their post? Is it humiliation?


*Toggles Keo C's post* Did it work? Are you humiliated?

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 21:57
Quote: "*Toggles hessiess' post*
Anyway, I can't figure out how to use the Flip3D.
I'm going to use Windows Classic."


That's possibly the most stupid thing I've seen... "I disagree with your opinion, so I'm toggling your post."

Get a life - or more over, get a defending argument/PoV that works against his statement, rather than 'toggling' it and feeling like you have to tell the entire world about it


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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 21:57
Quote: "Did it work? Are you humiliated?
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Yes! *cries*




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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 22:33 Edited at: 10th Dec 2007 22:36
Quote: "its useless graphical fluff just like compez-fusion etc. the only thing it acheves is wasting graphics processing power that could be used on something productive (3d modeling)"


I find the live thumbnails quite useful, as is the 3d-flip whatnot. Other than that it's pointless but since it doesn't seem to have any impact on the performace of 3D applications, I leave it on.

As for UAC? I know what goes in and out of my PC without needing to have it enabled, so it's more of an inconvenience. I've got it disabled.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 22:38
Quote: "My little lamp on the wall flashed red some time ago and said "possible grammar fault detected!" So off i went in the grammar-mobile."

I love it when someone posts something completely off topic just to be pedantic about grammar and then gets it wrong himself.

And in the spirit of off-topic banter, I'm toggling everyone's post in this thread. Every time I read it.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 22:48 Edited at: 10th Dec 2007 22:49
Here I am, posting for the sake of testing peoples grammar knowledge and big sensation! I make myself appear stupid in the progress and what do I get? No attention at all? No "haha, you = phail"? Why does Keo C get all the attention? I am so offended i'm at a lack of words...for lack of better words.

Oh yeah, and MonoCoder won a lifetime supply of ...money?

(Yes, I might be bored. I should go back to my music to keep me busy or else i'm afraid i will spam so much i'll get myself banned, or worse).

....I can't help but to think of Doom when i read "UAC".



Edit: Benjamin gave me some attention.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 23:12
I didn't even know there was a toggle button until just now when I looked for it...
bond1
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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 01:42
Quote: "I didn't even know there was a toggle button until just now when I looked for it... "


Ha! Me either, that's pretty cool.

Ok, well I haven't really heard anything positive about Aero other than things like "I like it because it's pretty". Atl-tabbing works just fine for me, and I still think transparent windows are just confusing. So I guess I'll just stick to basic (although I do use a much prettier skin instead of that baby-puke blue default. I like SOME aesthetics.

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 02:28
Quote: "its useless graphical fluff just like compez-fusion etc. the only thing it acheves is wasting graphics processing power that could be used on something productive (3d modeling)"


Ah but your forgetting one thing my dear hessiess, you have no opinion.

That's not as bad as you think you said.
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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 17:59
I quite like Aero as it just makes Windows feel far more polished, but when running in Vista Basic you do notice a performance increase and drop in memory useage.

If you go down to Windows Classic, the entire OS runs like absolutely lightning. Seriously gives Linux a run for it's money performance wise.

Most people go with what they like though.
I mean I've never been a big fan of the Windows XP "Luna" aka Playdough style, but I also end up feeling quite distracted with the Classic look because it makes me feel the system is quite old.

There are also a number of usability aspects with aero that add nice touches, just make the entire display flow rather than look like it's little bits just cobbled together.

You can get a couple of new UIs though for Vista (if you can run Aero) that also take advantage of the DWM, but as I said it is quite intensive processor and memory wise.

I was quite hoping that for Vista they were going to keep the SVG system (based on Xbox User Interface) that they had in early betas. I mean you still get the functionality with Windows Presentation Foundation via Avalon, but it's not quite the same.

Reason I kinda miss that aspect, is cause SVG on modern cards is very low demand on the system. It's why the 360 can keep the entire UI in the background on stand by without affecting overall system performance.

I think there was a concern though that it might not be compatible with the old WinAPI, and render incorrectly for certain applications (like Pascal-based and such)

Still would be nice if they added XUI, because even under emulation you can mimic Aero using less resources and the same performance as Classic. Not to mention perfectly scaleable icons to any size.

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 18:49
Quote: "because even under emulation you can mimic Aero using less resources and the same performance as Classic"


I'm sorry that is literally impossible.

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Posted: 12th Dec 2007 13:31
Quote: "I'm sorry that is literally impossible"


Well by "emulation", I'm actually meaning the Windows version of the 360 library that is wrapped around Win32 (and Win32+ WinForms) so there is a bit of performance drop on calling compared to the classic which calls using gdi; but once on the card the xui relies on the shader core rather than locked pixels in the fixed function pipeline.

I mean cards no longer have a dedicated 2D aspect anymore, and the only reason they never appeared to drop performance in that respect is because they had much faster clock speeds.

When you get down to it though, what is quicker for drawing to screen... GDI+ or Direct3D? The answer is pretty obvious, and this is why there is little performance drop.

With Vista, it'll rely on GDI converted to DXGI so there's a layer of emulation (or wrapping) going on anyway for the classic mode. Not something noticeable due to the lack of load on what is going on really, but SVG ironically also doesn't really use as much load as the Basic/Aero images.

I think what is interesting is Basic and Aero, already uses antialiasing; as SVG does this as a built in feature using the cards own FSAA system (or shader 10 programmable FSAA) it means you don't have to sacrifice quality for performance too much.

What's possibly more interesting to note is that, via GDI rendering to background (i.e. Wallpaper) you're pretty much killing performance especially on higher resolutions. I mean remember that Vista only runs at 800x600 or larger (standard ppl tend to use is 1024x768, 1440x920 or 1280x1024) at those resolutions GDI just buckles and dies.

Still quicker than Basic and Aero mind, just higher resolutions are part of why SVG was being considered by Microsoft as the performance drop from each resolution was fairly minimal. Infact you can easily double rendering resolution which under normal circumstances ment almost 1/4 the performance yet with SVG means 3/4 the performance. (well XUI it does)

You just have to think about this all in terms of the different pipelines and how vista is using them.

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OOOOOOH LOOK!!!
Isn't that operating system so pretty?
AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
So wonderful.

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I actually like aero. It is a lot cleaner and polished. I especially like the live thumbnails. If you have a lot of windows open, it's a lot easier to find what you're looking for.

As far as UAC goes, I can't even remember when I last saw a UAC prompt. I don't find it annoying at all. It only shows when you try to install programs or access restricted areas. If there is an area on the hard drive that you access frequently, but it is considered restricted, just right click on the directory, properties->security->edit. You will have no more problems.
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UAC secured it's own death when i had to restart VC++ so i would have the "rights" to compile a program on my harddrive.

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Quote: "UAC secured it's own death when i had to restart VC++ so i would have the "rights" to compile a program on my harddrive."




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Where are you compiling to?
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Posted: 13th Dec 2007 13:12
Quote: "UAC secured it's own death when i had to restart VC++ so i would have the "rights" to compile a program on my harddrive."


you know you can set full priviledges for any program even through it's shortcut icon right?

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Posted: 13th Dec 2007 13:28 Edited at: 13th Dec 2007 13:28
Quote: "you know you can set full priviledges for any program even through it's shortcut icon right?"

yes, and i did... but then i decided it needed to die just for suggesting that.

i might turn it back on in a month or so, after it's thought about what it's done.

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Posted: 13th Dec 2007 13:57
haha, it's not a toodler mate
not sure why it would've crashed mind due to lack of priviledges.. usually it just says that it will save to an area of the hard disk you do have rights to.

same with compiling.
do you have visual studio 2005 service pack 1 for vista? found it stops many of the annoying messages to do with UAC and such.

not that it really did many of them, could be something else conflicting.

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Posted: 13th Dec 2007 19:13
I like it a lot, it looks really great.
A thing that I dont like with Vista is that often the computer sais that Vista has been updated and needs to resart the computer, and if I dont restart manually it restart irself. Thats really annoying when I am building on a game.

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Posted: 13th Dec 2007 19:50
bond1, intent does not stop action. The creation of this thread will surely lead to a frame war, all flame-war threads start out like this, and most say "Don't start a flame war".

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