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DarkBASIC Discussion / Dark Basic on Vista? & Upgrade?

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Creator Of Darkness
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Posted: 12th Dec 2007 19:32
I got a new laptop and I installed Dark Basic. whenever I go to run it I get a message "This application has failed to start because d3drm.dll was not found." How can I fix this so it works?

Also I was looking around the site and saw an upgrade from v1.13 to 1.20 but when I clicked on the link, all I saw was the download for v1.13 I don't know what to think. If there's an upgrade, how can I get it?
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Posted: 12th Dec 2007 19:54
1. There should be a sticky at the top about the 1.2 download.

2. Just search for d3drm.dll on google... I installed one of a random site - it shouldn't cause too many problems if you get an alright site hopefully (although my new computer does crash quite regularly now, but I think it was doing that before)

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Posted: 12th Dec 2007 22:08 Edited at: 12th Dec 2007 22:10
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=116024&b=10

There are technical issues with the V1.2 download so it has temporarily been taken down. It will return soon!

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Posted: 12th Dec 2007 22:29
Alright... I google it and get back to you about what happens.

I can't wait for the download to come back. I'm always excited to see what new stuff comes out.


Thanks.
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Posted: 12th Dec 2007 23:09
I did the google search and downloaded the dll. Everything is working fine now.

Thank you again.
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Posted: 17th Dec 2007 09:18 Edited at: 17th Dec 2007 09:27
hey TDK, what were those "technical issues" ? I suppose I need to redownload it again when it gets put back up { 1.21 ?? )

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Posted: 1st Jan 2008 03:34
I am a new user of 3D Gamemaker--got it as a gift--and was sooo excited to try it out, but my pc runs on Vista, and I hit the d3drm.dll file missing problem. I did the download and saved the file to my desktop, but 3D Gamemaker does not seem to know it is there. Do I need to save it to a special location so that the program will recognize it? Thanks!
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Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 00:00
@Ron
copy d3drm.dll to your c:\windows\system32 directory (not to be confused with c:\windows\system directory)
or place in the same folder as the executable that needs it. if you copy it to your system folder then you wont have to copy and place it in the folders of every program that needs it and You will also be able to play all your old games that ran on xp the exception being those that need to be ran in pure DOS.

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Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 01:48
Hehe, that's funny, I got the same problem too!

Seriously, how do you make the little blue text come up below your message?
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Posted: 8th Feb 2008 16:38 Edited at: 8th Feb 2008 17:00
Edit: I got the dll fixed, but now a another stupid problem has occured. Now whenever I run it it says this:

"The application failed initialize properly (0xc00000ba). Click OK to terminate the application."

So uhh... any help?


Edit: Oh, hehe, I fixed that. ^.^

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Posted: 8th Feb 2008 23:29 Edited at: 8th Feb 2008 23:31
didn't see the edited portion of your post until after I posted - a mod may delete this post if they so choose.

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Posted: 9th Feb 2008 18:32 Edited at: 9th Feb 2008 18:33
Hey I just want to say I'm going to make finding that d3drmdll faster for the vista people and post it on here.

Windows Is better than everything

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Bluestar4
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Posted: 11th Feb 2008 09:06
I posted somewhere in zip format (in place of rar) but cant remember where.

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I'm getting a new computer as the last one blew the motherboard and while I desperately dont want to touch vista with a bargepole I suspect I wont have a choice. My question then is this. I gather all I have to do is save the dll mentioned above in the right spot and DBC should work fine. However if i compile into an executable and sell commercially, will every vista customer have the same problem if they dont have the relevant DLL installed?

On another note, can anyone advise me if Vista is causing any other problems with DBC. I know it has speed issues relative to XP with some applications, but importantly, what is the difference in speed running DBC in XP vs Vista. I fear Vista will be much slower which is not good.

Microsoft are not top of my X-mas card list right now.
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Posted: 21st Feb 2008 13:57 Edited at: 24th Feb 2008 08:33
Quote: "I'm getting a new computer as the last one blew the motherboard and while I desperately dont want to touch vista with a bargepole I suspect I wont have a choice."


There has been such a backlash against Vista that many computer sellers are offering the option to replace Vista with an XP 'upgrade'!

Even Dell apparently supply both XP and Vista on their computer's recovery CD's after so many complaints from customers that Vista was so bad.

A useful review about one user's experiences when upgrading Vista:

http://dotnet.org.za/codingsanity/archive/2007/12/14/review-windows-xp.aspx

If you want XP, tell them wherever you buy your computer. If they want your money, I can assure you that they will supply it with XP...

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Posted: 21st Feb 2008 22:12
Thanks TDK. It appears to be a no-brainer - XP or no sale. I could just about put up with the bugs and occasional crashes in Vista but performance is everything to me, and XP sounds to operate so much faster than Vista. I wonder if Microsoft had real competition if they would have released something so problematic. Anyway its hasta la vista from me.
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Posted: 10th May 2008 02:09
But do old games (made with DBC) run on Vista witout problems ?

- Mind the gap -
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I am seriously debating switching to Mac someday, even though most of my software is only made for XP. But the only programs I use (save for DBC) are for video editing, photo editing and special effects, all of which have Mac OS X counterparts. So really, I'd only be screwed if I couldn't run DB on it, which I know I can't, so I guess I'm screwed in the game making aspect. Ah well, I"m more interested in video anyways.


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Posted: 11th May 2008 05:06
Quote: "But do old games (made with DBC) run on Vista witout problems ?"


As far as I know. I don't have Vista myself (and wouldn't dream of ever installing it either) so I've no direct experience with it.

However the one or two DBC program I've tried out on a friend's Vista machine have worked fine, though they never wrote any data to hard disk - which was, I believe, the main problem with DBC on Vista prior to Ron fixing the problem in V1.20.

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Quote: "But do old games (made with DBC) run on Vista witout problems ?"

I have both xp and vista and use them both so I'll wrap this up for ya and give you an overview of the differances

GAMES :

anything program that uses DOS will not run because it requires something that is no longer on the system. Older win98/xp games and programs will run almost flawlessly if the dll above is placed in the system folder ( c:\windows\system32 )


DBC :

anything compiled on dbc before the now current version (which is 1.4 in the included editor ) will require the dll above to be placed in the directory of the program or in the system directory to run

security :

UAC -
Once the sytem is up , UAC loads. User Account Control acts like an internal firewall that prevents any/all programs from launching locally (on the hard drive ) without your permission. NOthing executes locally without the users direct permission including windows programs. So any would be trojan would have a hard time executing. there is a handy turn off switch for those not needing this amount of security.
its new -

even with uac off , only a couple of keylogger programs will even execute on vista , others throw a nice exception of non support for the operating system or wont even execute.

large hd & memory support :
viata supports ultra large hard-drives, as well as an unheard amount of actual physical memory. It also has greater capabilities when it comes to graphics.

speed :
if you buy one and its slow as a turtle you can do 2 things that will give you a good experiance. first, UPdate your hard disk controller as many of them were shipped with bad hd-controller drivers (this is the part where you actually use windows update )
secondly , completely remove norton AV and symatic products as its nothing but a resource hog and eats away at the mememory and processor. once these 2 things are taken care of then speed wont be a problem. If you dont need the security , turn off the UAC , its a pain in the butt when installing /updating your software. If anyone has any further questions concerning vista be sure and post and I'll be glad to help.

compression of files :
this is a pitfall of using vista - its very slow when it comes to compressing and decomprssing zipped files. I recomend unzipping any needed files on an xp before transfering them to vista its fast and convienant.

anti-virus software :
although vista comes with both norton anti-virus, and defender, niether one are really adequate.

defender - its my opinion that its basically useless. you can take a couple files with some known viruses and malware and it wont even detect them.
norton - using norton isnt a good option. as I said above , its a resource hog (and a big one at that). Secondly , its been my experiance when servicing pc's that by the time that norton cathes a virus its usually already entrenched in the system and has already done such serious damage that the machine requires a complete wipe. the only recomendation I can give on this product is to completely remove it as its only purposes seems to be to tell you how many files are infrected.
avg
inspite of the makers saying that it is vista compatible, if configured to do on-close scanning avg tends to lock down programs. although I do recomend using it when connected to internet because when its configured to do onclose scanning will usually quash any would be bug before it can execute. if you can find an alternate anti-virus program that works well with vista then please let me know.

accessibility :
vista was made for the average user - not a power user.
in comparison to xp , it can be very hard to mess things up on a system level , and just as difficult to fix things the way you want. On the surface , its easy to operate, but getting under the hodd to change things can be quite annoying for the power user who wants to tweak the system. A good example of this would be internet explorer 7 in comparison to IE 6. IE 6 is completely customizable, but you may have difficulties doing the same thing with IE7 as its made for the average user, and not a power user.

hope this helps all you guys. , if you have any speciffic questions you can email me or post on the board here.

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