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Geek Culture / How much juice does your PC use?

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Phaelax
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 11:14 Edited at: 16th Dec 2007 11:23
Recently bought a new UPS, APC BACK-UPS XS 1300VA LCD. It has a display that shows the load on it, basically how many watts everything is using. I checked it on both my systems.

Old System
19" CRT - 60w
P4 2.8e, 2x512MB DDR400, FX5900XT - 160w
Running tower and monitor at same time - 215

New system
24" LCD - 58w
C2D 2.66, 4x1GB DDR2 800, 8600GT - 70w
Running tower and monitor at same time - 150


Numbers flucuate a bit, so these are approximations. I was surprised to see how little difference there is between an LCD and old CRT. So other than desk space, why would anyone want an LCD? Both seem to put off about the same amount of heat.


When reading reviews on the UPS, newegg has a similar model. I have the XS series, they sell a more expensive BR series. Also, one reviewer pointed out that the models have a stepped sinewave output and not a true sinewave, and that this is an issue when your computer's PSU has active PFC, which mine does(SeaSonic S12 II SS-430GB). I'm not really sure what this means though, can anyone break it down for me?


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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 11:57
I gave up on feeding my PC juice ages ago, I use milk now.


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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 12:01
I been trying to read some info about a UPS's sinewave output in relation to PFC. Most of what I've read on other forums has said that you *might* have problems running a non-true sinwave UPS(such as lower quality APC units they said, specifically the models I bought), but none gave a defnitive answer. One guy, who claims to design PSU as his day job, stated that PFC circuits dont care what you give them as long as its not a pure square wave, but didn't mention if that applies to active, passive, or both.


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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 16:13
My PC runs on Fruitopia.

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 16:18
I'm so glad I ogt that joke in first. I feel complete now.

And I apologise for my complete lack of helpfulness.


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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 19:47
My setup at the moment is using between 250-350w depending on load:

Intel Pentium D 950 (skt 775)
4 HDDs
3 Optical Drives
X700 Pro (AGP)
2GB DDR2-667
About 6 USB devices
22" LCD
19" LCD
7.2 surround.

My old 19" CRT used between 70w and 90w, my LCDs combined are using about 51w at the moment. Aside from the lower power usage and increased desk spaces, I also find my LCDs a lot easier to look at for long periods of time and a heck of a lot clearer.

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 21:49
The UPS I got has a max battery time of up to 2.5 hours. So I'll be conservative and estimate I could keep my stuff on for 1 hour, which is plenty of time to do stuff. Most units I've seen you get 5-10min.


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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 22:11
How do you find out the power your computer uses? I have a 600W power supply but i hope that's not how much juice it actually uses.

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 22:21 Edited at: 16th Dec 2007 22:23
look around for a web based calculator that lets you pick all your devices, and then calculates the wattage your pc is using (guesstimate)

I saw one the other day on Antec's website, since I was looking at possibly getting a new psu (Antec True Power Quattro 850 - SLI Ready)

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 22:32
I've got a little gadget that goes between the mains and my PC that gives various pieces of information such as wattage, frequency, voltage etc. About £5 on ebay.

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 22:37
Quote: "How do you find out the power your computer uses"


My UPS has a built-in meter that tells me.


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Posted: 17th Dec 2007 19:52 Edited at: 17th Dec 2007 19:55
I know mine's got a very, very hungry processor, graphics card, memory bank, and twice as many drives as I need. It's a bit inefficient to be honest.
My processor, at full revs, draws 62.8 W.


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Posted: 17th Dec 2007 20:07
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Because my LCD is much clearer than my old CRT, much larger, and not as heavy.


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Posted: 18th Dec 2007 01:22
Quote: "Because my LCD is much clearer than my old CRT, much larger, and not as heavy. "


I approve this statement.

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Posted: 18th Dec 2007 04:12
lol. I have 2 CRT monitors on my computer, kinda takes up a lot of desk space...


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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 02:48 Edited at: 20th Dec 2007 03:02
Your Watt meter is crazy low. Might be USA power we use 240 volts here.

I'm giving idle-fullload

Pentium M 1.5Ghz Laptop, 15" LCD, Intel915 = 40-60watts

Core 2 Duo 2.0Ghz + 8600GT = 100-130watts overclocked 130-160watts

Celeron 2.5Ghz + 7600GS = 200-250 watts

I also get LCD / CRT monitors little diffrence in power comsumption.

Laptops rule for saving the planet but Core 2 duo rules for gaming

What realy eats the juice in your house is toaster, kettle, iron, cooker, microwave so when your Mom complains you use too much electric let rip coz her stuff uses 1000-2000watts!

I was looking into one of those Zen fanless PSUs for £100. I figured with 90% efficency it would probably save me more than the extra it cost over a standard PSu in a year on a server running 24x7x365

I've got energy saving bulbs, power off strips (no standby), and moved almost everything over to Core 2 Duo or laptops and the electric bill is nearly half what it used to be.

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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 03:43 Edited at: 20th Dec 2007 03:44
Uh, under full load a c2d uses only 65 watts, (not overclocked). Doesn't matter if you're in the UK or not, (because the psu converts the power to dc).

Er, nevermind, I see you're adding your gfx card in there too.


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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 12:25 Edited at: 20th Dec 2007 20:44
The watt meter goes on the power plug so you can't measure the CPU alone.

My figures include the CPU, GPU, Motherboard, Memory, HDD, DVD

Modern CPUs and GPUs are doing a good job at reducing their power levels and realy pay for themselfs in terms of electricity saved.

The only thing I can think of is I'm using bog standard power supplies maybe he is using a crazy 90% efficiency model.

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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 14:55
watt = volts X amps

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Posted: 20th Dec 2007 16:10 Edited at: 20th Dec 2007 16:20
Always bothered me why it was taught as P = IV in school instead of W = AV

UK has more volts but less amps.

It's not volts that kill you it's the damn amps, so why do they have high voltage signs?



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Posted: 6th Jan 2008 02:17
Quote: "Might be USA power we use 240 volts here. "


We're on 120v


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Posted: 6th Jan 2008 03:29 Edited at: 6th Jan 2008 03:35
Quote: "It's not volts that kill you it's the damn amps, so why do they have high voltage signs?"


Let me try and explain, you are correct that the amps kill you, not the volts. However, without significant voltage to deliver the amps through your body's internal resistance, you really aren't in any danger.

For example, I just measured the resistance from one hand to the other, and the meter read 100k ohms. I=V/R (current equals voltage dived by resistance), so you grab a car battery (which has the ability to deliver hundreds of amps): I=12/100000, current equals 0.00012 amps. It takes .0075 amps through the heart to kill you, and since .00012 is less than .0075, it doesn't kill you.

Now grab 240 volt mains power. I=V/R, I=240/100000, I=0.0024, 0.0024<0.0075, so you still havn't reached the death threshold. However, when you get into the 0.0030 amp range, your muscles begin to act on the current, meaning you may not be able to let go of the current source, as your muscles will involuntarily contract.

Now let's introduce another factor: dampness of the skin. I just licked my fingers and the meter read 40k ohms. Let's grab the 240 volt mains again. I=V/R, I=240/40000, I=0.006, 0.006<0.0075, but now you are really pushing the limit and may actually die if you are female (females typically only need 50ma to be killed). At this point, you will be experiencing severe pain, difficulty breathing, and you won't be able to let go. Extended exposure could cause death.

Now grab the high voltage line on the utility pole outside while being grounded. In the US, a neighborhood-level distribution line is around 7200 volts. I=V/R, I=7200/100000 (we'll assume you're dry), I=0.072, 0.072>0.0075, that's 10 times the lethal dosage, you're toasted.

Now, let's take a look at a tesla coil. These machines can generate millions of volts, but only very small amounts of current, so without the current capacity, your body just disapates the voltage, and with voltage disapation, the tiny current that is produced doesn't make it far enough into your body to stop your heart. This of course depends on many factors, and some tesla coils may be able to kill you while other may not, depends on their construction.

If you've ever wondered how somebody can get struck by lightning and survive, it's b/c of the "skin" effect. Very high voltages travel outside the conductor (which is why high-tension power lines are so small, they only need provide a path, the electricity kinda "floats" along the outside of the wire), so when somebody gets hit by lightning, most of the juice flows just outside their body (if they are lucky). If they are unlucky and they happen to be in a certain position, the electricity may desire to travel through the body core or extremeties and do massive and/or fatal damage.

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Posted: 6th Jan 2008 04:43 Edited at: 6th Jan 2008 04:44
i dunno how much juice my pc is using, but here's my PSU:

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(12219)Antec-Phantom-500-Silent-ATX12V20-500W-fanless.aspx

is awesome cos it's fan doesnt kick in until it needs to (currently set to if it reaches 35 celcius), so far it hasnt turned on once... or if it has, i havent noticed ^_^.

only flaw is the position of the fan control switch, i have to have my psu upside down to be able to access it more easily, meaning the cables are travelling across the middle of the case, restricting airflow, but i like to think i've tidied the cables up quite well ^_^

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Posted: 6th Jan 2008 23:26
Quote: "so you grab a car battery (which has the ability to deliver hundreds of amps"


Did that once to check for spark on a plug, OUCH! Still alive and standing, but felt like someone smacked my wrist with a hammer!

Very informative read there SirFire.


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Quote: "Did that once to check for spark on a plug, OUCH! Still alive and standing, but felt like someone smacked my wrist with a hammer!"


If you were touching the coil wire on the battery, you probably didn't get shocked until you removed the wire, right? This is due to the collapsing flux field inside the coil, which can be many hundreds of volts for only a millisecond (primary side) which is also the exact moment the high voltage side (secondary winding) sends many thousands of volts to spark the plug.

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Should've known there was an electrical engineer around here...

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We were testing for spark on the plugs, so i grabbed the wire and put my finger on it and waited for my girl to turn the engine over.


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good times

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Yeah been electricuted by car battery but not directly I got tangled in in an animal electric fence, it sent pulses every second though my body very painful

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