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Geek Culture / I'm weird so I made up some numbers

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Libervurto
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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 01:18 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 01:20
I seem to be obsessed the origins of letters and numerals.
So I made up my own numbers!
OK so that's a pretty pointless thing to do but I thought if anyone is going to find it mildly interesting it'll be you guys

The numbers work around the number 6.
A vertical line has a value of 1.
A horizontal line has a value of 2.
A circle has a value of 6.
A square has a value of 12.
A dot has a value of 24.
The idea is that you would continue to add dots as the numbers grew larger.

I was quite pleased how it starts to look a bit oriental
I like the idea that all the elements of the number are visible and represent that number.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 01:48
Heyyy.. you could make some badass codes with that, I'm not sure how but just think of leaving cryptic number messages in your programs.


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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 02:42
aye, im sure that could be quite useful in some puzzle games, or even just as some background art in a tomb or something

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 03:29 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 03:29
I made my own alphabet:


A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

But honestly, kinda cool. Well figured.


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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 05:15 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 05:16



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I like this alphabet.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 05:21 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 05:21
my post using the alphabet somehow messed up so i removed what i said

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 16:28
Actually, that's quite a cool number system I dont like how it's all based on 6 though :/

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 17:04 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 17:22
Interesting, you're inventing some kind of numberbet (yeah made the word) based on origins, I'm making up a language based on origins...if you were doing something runic based we could get together.

Cool stuff, I think the origins of language and writing is fascinating - like how when before an alphabet was developed (when it was logographic), an older version of our letter 'A' was the symbol for the word 'Alef' which meant Bull - formed originally as the shape of a bulls head (turn A upside down and you can see how)

I can see the correlation with original numbers - when I was looking up Norse numbers - we go up in tens, they went up in 12's (Hence thirteen is the first number with a 'teen' in it) Interesting though, Norse does go - Twenty and One - rather than Eleventeen. But when you get to things like 100 - their word for 'hundred' has a value of 120 - so the 200 is 240 etc.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 18:46
The Danish counting system is really weird, IIRC they use the normal way for writing but this odd way for saying numbers up to 99. I can't remember it though.

Germans counts by saying 20, 30 etc last: Firhundered drei und tswanzich (haven't written anything in German for ever so the spelling is totally off) means 423.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 18:56 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 18:59
Vierhundert drei und zwanzig...I think...not written in German for almost 3 years. But that looks a little better.

The people who had the most sense were the Chinese (and the Japanese for stealing their system), they got their numbers right - ichi (1), ni (2)...nyu (9), jyu (10) jyu ichi (11), ni jyu (20)and so on.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 19:02

this is very funny

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 19:20
When I read the title of this thread, I laughed so hard, just because of the way you phrased it.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 19:26 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 19:28
Quote: "Firhundered drei und tswanzich "

It's "Vierhundert dreiundzwanzig" ("oyro" ;-p)

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 19:34 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 19:36
Quote: "("oyro" ;-p)"


As in 'Euro'? Then yes please - "vierhundert dreiundzwanzig euro" would do me fine.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 19:40
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As in 'Euro'? Then yes please - "vierhundert dreiundzwanzig euro" would do me fine."

Well it's 'euro' and it's a payment for translating it into more 'german' german...

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 19:57
Yeah, hence I figured that's what you meant, I know they pronounce euro in a funny way.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 19:58
The good thing is that you have lessened the space needed to display the representation of a number. If each symbol is a single space, then it takes the same space to write 1 as it does to write 120 (which I guess would be 6 dots), whereas Arabic and Roman numerals would take 3 spaces.

The bad thing is that this will soon change, as you can only fit so complicated of a character in one space. Still, it's an interesting and usable system, and as someone else said, may work well as a game puzzle.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 20:16 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 20:16
Quote: "The Danish counting system is really weird"

Indeed, we should get a dane in here to teach us.

Quote: "Germans counts by saying 20, 30 etc last"

Yeah, people do that over here too. Since i'm way too cool for that though, i don't do it.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 21:04
You can see it in old English works too a bit. Like in the Pirates of Penzance when the main character told his girly girl that he's bounded to his pirate captain until he reaches his "one and twentieth" birthday.

Yes, I admit that I am a fan of the Pirates of Penzance ^.^


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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 21:05 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 21:08
Found an interesting [href="http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/30/46595.aspx]thread[/href] on counting on another forum after a Google search. This is a post made by a dane:

"'en og halvfjerdsindstyve'
is a very old way of saying numbers in Denmark and is most often used in trading - especially when you want to 'stress' the value.

When we need to be correct with number saying (on checks for instance) we use the other 'way': syvtien (syv-ti-en -> seven-ten-one).

In every day tongue we use the common way: 'en og halvfjerds'.
This is of course common Danish (Rigsdansk) - if you venture into the countryside you will encounter other systems. Even though we are only a little over 5 million in population, and span nothing more than a bread crumb on a world map, we still have dialects used everyday, which are quite impossible to understand for non-dialected Danes. If we were to have a general vote on the subject, I think most younger Danes would just as much scrap the language and use English instead."

Oh, and this was in the first post: "en og halvfjerdsindstyve", literally, "one and half-four-times-twenty"

There's a mention of Irish people using half four as 4:30 while we Nordic countries mean 3:30.

BTW, we call the current century the 20th (in Sweden at least) while you call it the 21st in English.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 21:07
You should have based the system on twelve...

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 21:29 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 21:32
BTW, the advantage of using a limited number of characters means it's much easier to learn. In Japan and China kids learns their alphabet first but it takes far longer to learn all the characters for various words. Their alphabet is unlike ours because they use syllables ending with a vowel (only n can said be alone) while we separate consonants and vowels. Vowels can also be without consonants as they make a syllable on their own. The result is that their languages have a special sound. Like "secret" in Japanese = hi-mi-tsu, or "divine wind" = ka-mi-ka-ze (kami means god). When they pronounce an English word like "fight" they say "fighto". "su" at the end of words often have the U silenced: "itadakimasu" is often pronounced "itadakimas".

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Posted: 23rd Dec 2007 00:14
Quote: "You should have based the system on twelve..."

That was the idea but I found I had to make another symbol (the circle) because the lines got very messy.
I suppose it's really based on 24

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