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General Reed
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2007 18:02
Ive tried to overclock my old 5200+ cpu, to find its limits. However, it runs fine (low temps etc) until i get to about 12*243 - then the machine turns on for about 2 seconds, and turns straight back off again. I switch it back to 12*240 again (2850ishmhz) and it works fine with benchmarks etc.

Is it because i am low on power. I have a very cheap 400w power supply, but i have a geforce8800gts, 2gb-6400 corsair ram, 1x160gb hdd, 1x320gb hdd, one philips dvd-rom/dvd-r/cd-rom/cd-r/rw drive, three case fans, and the test processor of 5200x2. Also, my cooler is an asus arctic square, which has a fan in it.

Is this too much on a cheap 400w power supply. Also, turning off after 2 seconds(no bios etc), what does that indicate?

-Thanks - General reed

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Posted: 23rd Dec 2007 20:55
400w psu with a 8800gts!?

I have the 8800gts 320, how many amps does your 12+ rail(s) have in total (combined multiple rails / non-dedicated), or the dedicated rail to the video card alone?

The 8800gts 320 requires 26Amps alone. My 500w psu puts out 36A total, so I am looking at a new 850w psu from Antec, 850 True Power Quattro (65Amps on 4 dedicated rails iirc)

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 24th Dec 2007 00:02
Quote: "a new 850w psu from Antec, 850 True Power Quattro (65Amps on 4 dedicated rails iirc)"


850w? Are you mad?
What possessed you to buy such hardware? Do you NEED Crysis in 32768x16384 in 256-bit colour?
I make it a general rule never to buy top of the range. What you get is often incompatible, power hungry, big, expensive and noisy. And unnecessary. But hey, it's your electricity bill.


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Posted: 24th Dec 2007 00:10
an 850w psu should be more efficient then your average 500w psu. You don't have to use all 850 watts you know

And he's right, an 8800gts is power hungry


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Posted: 24th Dec 2007 03:23 Edited at: 24th Dec 2007 03:24
Nex, youre right, its my power bill and that psu is a "green" with one of the highest efficency ratings (80+), and you dont use all 850 watts, the juice is there if it is needed. Had you looked up the psu before posting you would probably not have posted at all. Oh and did I mention its for SLI incase I ever wanted the option down the road?

But anyway, with the current psu I am on the edge, not wattage wise but amps wise, and I suspect it might be intermittently faulty (long story). So i MAY need a new psu, I didnt buy one yet.

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General Reed
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Posted: 24th Dec 2007 22:45
lol, my amp on the 12+ rail, is 16. How comes my comp even works?

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Posted: 25th Dec 2007 00:09
16A total?

omg, I dunno how the video even runs. but then again, the gpu manufacturers always advert the minimum with a number that is actually a bit higher than the real number. But still 16A seems kinda low. Is there only one 12+ rail on that psu, or are there more? If there are more, add the values together. If you have the original booklet or psu box it should be printed on it, or on the web site if its a branded psu. And this is an Nvidia 8800 GTS we are talking about?

just double checking

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Posted: 25th Dec 2007 16:07
It's probably not the PSU (yet). I'd say the rams can't keep up with the cpu speed. There's a lot of (simple) math involved when overclocking, and overclocking results can often be predicted by comparing them with "threshold values" that other overclockers have reached. But since it would take too long to explain, here's the gist of it so you know what to look for:

1. reduce your HyperTransport (HT) multiplier to 4x or 3x

2. loosen your ram timings (you might have read "4-4-4-12" or "CAS4" and other similar numbers)

3. put a ddr2 divider (pretty much means change the dram mode to something lower, like ddr2-667 or ddr2-533)

4. raise dimm voltage

5. raise cpu voltage

The voltage must be raised to increase stability, otherwise it will fail to boot or programs may crash at runtime. Raising voltages will raise temperatures as well so don't overdo it. Corsair should have mentioned your ram's specifications such as maximum voltage somewhere. You won't be stable at 3.0GHz without additional cpu voltage, that's for sure (X2 6000+ is around 1.4v or 1.45v iirc).

Try overclock.net or some other overclocking site. You can check out other people's settings and get a feel for what it is you might have to change. There are also better explanations of the math behind overclocking as well.

Also, higher cpu speed isn't always better. you have to keep an eye on your HT and dram frequencies and make sure they don't drop too low. I suggest you make sure your dram frequency is near their rated speeds, while HT frequency should be near 1000MHz at least.

And your overclock isn't stable unless you can run stress tests without crashing. Game benchmarks won't cut it, you need to use software like OCCT (which is free) or Everest (which isn't) and run the test for a few hours before declaring it stable.

Just so you have an idea of the possibilities, my X2 4000+ is at 2.9GHz with only the stock cooler. Temps are high already so I'll push further in the future when I get a better cooler. My PSU is only 416W, my video card is a X1650 XT and I have 3 hard drives.

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General Reed
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Posted: 25th Dec 2007 22:41
Ok thanks. What do you think of my overclock so far?


Im fine with that as an overclock, However my ram is not at its rated speed with that overclock. How would i get that up, is overclocking my fsb above 1000mhz the only way? i have a m2n-sli how far could i push that board? And what voltages etc do i need to set for the bus to increase?

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Posted: 26th Dec 2007 04:10
You drop the memory multiplier normaly if you overclock the bus or you'll kill your memory.

I bought some good stuff I knew would run at faster than standard rated speed with heatsinks on.

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Posted: 26th Dec 2007 05:37 Edited at: 26th Dec 2007 06:04
Well, the part about keeping your HT and rams fast is just a personal opinion of mine. The X2 loses out to Core2 clock per clock, but the K8 architecture's integrated memory controller makes memory access faster. It would just be a waste of really good rams and the K8's HyperTransport if you run them below their rated speeds.

edit: It's all just opinion though, and benchmarks might say otherwise. My processor is cheap so I don't mind keeping my oc a little low to keep the rams running fast.

What memory divider are you using right now?

General Reed
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Posted: 26th Dec 2007 15:13
im using 677mhz / 5 / 5 / 5 / 15

This makes the memory operating speed 375(*2), due to the overclock.

If i put it up to 800mhz, would that make the operating speed, 437mhz(*2 = 874)? If so , is that ok for my ram modules (Corsair XMS2 CM2X1024-6400) ?

Thanks for the help so far

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Posted: 26th Dec 2007 18:28
Your Corsairs should be able to manage that speed (and maybe some more). Try raising the dimm voltage. Most rams perform at their best at around 2.2v but first be sure to check your Corsair's specifications so you don't exceed their rated maximum.

General Reed
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Posted: 26th Dec 2007 20:21
Ok thanks! i will try that!

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