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Geek Culture / A little depressing christmas story i wrote.

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Posted: 24th Dec 2007 20:18
http://www.fictionpress.com/s/2453994/1/

Please let me kno what you guys think.....if anything. Hell, block this thread if it'll make you feel good.....Sorry, kinda grintchy today

"Originally I was going to have a BS on it but you know how that would be. I can't walk around with the letters BS on me." More or less a qoute by Syndrome from Jack, Jack, attack
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Posted: 24th Dec 2007 20:52 Edited at: 24th Dec 2007 20:58
That was pretty crap. A guy that just "goes **ing psycho"? Doesn't make any sense. Why did he go psycho. Was it her insidious nice-ness. Was it the way she always managed to screw up the pot roast that she always made every Friday?

And how did the kids know he was going to be committing suicide?

I give it A for effort, but there wasn't much of an experience there

I think you should rewrite it to make it more interesting.

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Quote: "Now he must suffer the agony of hell and relive his mistakes and all he’s done forever in hell."


Was pretty lame, unless you wrote it for those into religion. I remember reading one story I read a while back that was remarkable, but the author ruined it with the last page filled with religious mumbo jumbo. I say, keep your religious tirades out of books, unless it's for that audience, or I guess a major part of the story.

Besides, we can already assume that last line if it's what we believe, no sense in writing it.

(Now if the book had a religious theme, this could have been worked in there quite nicely, for example, if he had held out for years from killing himself because of his religious beliefs. But then he finally did it and ended up going to hell as he had feared. That'd be pretty cool)


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Posted: 24th Dec 2007 21:03
I read the first line.


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Posted: 24th Dec 2007 21:07
Me too. Depressing.


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Posted: 24th Dec 2007 21:28
You definitely overused the word f**k. Come on, be creative with your adjectives...

What was the point in writing this anyhow?

Actually reminds me of Edgar Allen Poe's writing in the fact it's super depressing... Just not written near as well.

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Posted: 24th Dec 2007 22:28
I feel like i could hang you by your vocal chords for comparing that tripe i just read to Poe...

...but i won't because its christmas.

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Posted: 24th Dec 2007 22:32 Edited at: 24th Dec 2007 22:33
I said ONLY because it's really really depressing!

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Posted: 24th Dec 2007 22:38
It's not really that depressing. There's no psychological thought going on, it's just random violence with no meaning. The guy beat up his girlfriend or wife or whatever for not one reason, and then she left without trying to help him or understand why he did it.

Then he goes on to lead a lonely life because of this one random incident that had no meaning behind it.

It leaves you with a sense that the story itself is completely meaningless. (it's just a random thought that popped into your (the authors) head).

It appears that no editing was done, no spell checker was run, and that you (the author) wrote it in one 5 minute swoop.

It needs work.


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Posted: 25th Dec 2007 00:31 Edited at: 25th Dec 2007 00:34
I didn't read much of it - I don't want to be mean, but there's a lot to work on for it to work. Now if you want this as a serious story - I could give you my input and advice - but at the moment, the TV is on.

The opening sentence really just said to me - I can't be bothered and this story is just going to be a Christmas rant and not a story. Now - I didn't read the read as I just said, but that's the impression I got from the open and that's going to put the person off from reading it - the opening line is one of the most important things as it's the first part the reader reads - and if they're looking for something to read the story they're read is the first one to grab them.

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Posted: 25th Dec 2007 00:48
Wow. I shouldn't have read it. You must not read that much, and you thought you'd write about a cool sounding idea. It comes across as nothing more than a vehicle for a religious sermon.

Quote: "He remembered a time when they were together one afternoon, they were having fun and just enjoying them selves. But something happened, something that he wished he could take back. Out of no where he just attacked her, just straight up attacked her. When he finally stopped, she was almost dead."

That doesn't even make sense. Why? He just randomly beats people up?

Quote: "He could hear voices out side begging him to come out of the house and enjoy the holiday, little children were begging him to come out and play with them in the snow."

Why the hell would little kids be banging on his decrepit shack door for him, a weirdo adult, to come and play?

If she was almost dead when he beat her how did she leave him the next day? She'd be in the hospital for a while, broken bones and internal bleeding.

Quote: "All these memories rushed at him like a thousand knives aimed at his heart."

It doesn't make sense that he'd kill himself, we only know of one random bad event. If he'd driven her away, and she wasn't dead, he'd likely get past it.

I don't want to be all negative, but the story just doesn't work. It shouldn't even be reworked. You should try writing a story that isn't religiously based and you should imagine yourself in the situations that you are describing. What would it take to cause you to beat your girlfriend/wife? Being possessed by Satan is not an answer, btw. If you were driven to such a place, would you really kill yourself over an event while lousy wouldn't drastically alter the quality of your life.

Don't write for shock value, write to tell a story.


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Posted: 25th Dec 2007 02:31
See, if you wanna write depressing stuff, wait till you feel depressed. I remember I wrote a pretty sad story one day when I felt absolutely awful in every way, and other people thought it was good. If you try to just write something sad without fully understanding it, it comes out pointlessly violent, etc.

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Posted: 25th Dec 2007 04:43
@Inspire - ...He kinda is depressed... I had been talking to him way before he wrote this. Idk, you'd kinda need to know him.

@Lover of Games - lots of spelling and I think grammar mistakes. Correct those. And I guess go into more detail of why the guy feels this way, and tell more about the guy himself. Give more reasoning behind what happened.

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Posted: 25th Dec 2007 05:13
Heh, well I hope you know I wasn't ripping on you personally, I'm just saying you need to put more work in it

I still think it could be an interesting story line, a guy that goes off on his girly girl one day cuz he snapped. But there would have to be a pretty incredible backstory to make it interesting. Quite frankly these are the hardest types of stories to write.


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Posted: 25th Dec 2007 13:48
I'd give you a proper speak now, but instead of the TV being on - I've got a cat trying to smother me, but if I forget about this thread or go off to do something Christmas-y then he's an article for you to read - I wrote it a few months a go before I started uni - it needs to be massively updated and structured (it's all over the place at the moment)- but it might have some useful advice/help for story writing:

http://cogito.66ghz.com/cogito/?q=node/23

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Posted: 25th Dec 2007 15:00
Yeah, I read that one. Good stuff Seppuku.

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Posted: 25th Dec 2007 16:10
Cheers rami;

Quote: " He took the bottle of vodka and just drank straight from the bottle. "


Sounds like my flatmate... Swigging Vodka exasperates your problematic emotions, this is something you could put to some useful degree.

One thing I normally pick up when reading people's stories or analysing them is evident in this piece a lot - that you 'tell' rather than 'show'. In written stories you will find to create the image, emotion, atmosphere and reader-character/narrator relationship is through the ability to show. Of course that's not saying you have to show everything or anything, but to use whatever techniques you can to the best degree you can to deliver your plot.

I'll take your opener, because it's the most important line in your story. (the one that determines whether or not people will read on)

And I'll criticise it and any criticisms I give, apply to yours.

This probably won't be my best work, we're kind of doing a 4 player on Wii bowling and I have to keep getting up for my go.

Quote: "It was Christmas eve around town and everyone was busy buying gifts and other crap to give to their loved ones to show them they cared. All through the town, Christmas trees were lit up, snowmen stood out side houses, their rock filled smile warming the hearts of children walking by."


It seems you're trying to create the setting and atmosphere.

First of all, I'll rewrite it as I would rewrite - now I don't suggest you use it, I'll point out what I did afterwards - just use the criticisms to the way you think they'll work.

--

The town was busy with people buying gifts on a Christmas Eve's morning, curses could be heard at any distance as the shops weren't very diverse in their stock. The excitement of Christmas coming could not be found and nor was there the generous spirit that television often preaches with the reruns of Christmas specials - it was quite the opposite, people pushed and shoved each other as they fought for the gift they wanted to give the most.

In the center, away from the chaos of late Christmas shoppers stood a tall pine tree, most of its needles were white with snow and an array of colours lights spiraled up from its base; a bright star illuminated its spire. Snow concealed all things that would normally be found on that ground - it was difficult even to see where the roads ended and where the gardens of homes started. The sound of crunching could be heard, but not just a single sound, but continuous little crunches that follow each other. Children, coated in their warm winter jackets ran after each other throwing snowballs. Some shivered as the snow caught the back of their neck and others wore a cheek grin when they managed to sneak up on their unsuspecting friends. Not all of the Children were so eager to participate in the skirmish, instead they joined each other in building the largest snowman they could, without it falling apart. The largest snowmen received the most glory from their peers.

--

-That's how I'd set the scene personally. I'll be back to offer input on as to why did what I did. If I were writing this for myself, I'd probably go through it a few more times before getting it crticised - no doubt mine at its current state it needs a lot of work as well.

You'd probably notice, it's a hell of a lot longer - because the info you gave me, it probably enough to go off and set the scene of Christmas - by doing so the reader will feel closer to the environment in the story - in my style of writing I tend to use more senses, but in this instance - I'd be over describing it a bit.

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Posted: 27th Dec 2007 01:08
The only depressing thing about that story is it's quality.

I am joking probably. Keep writing, holmes.

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Posted: 27th Dec 2007 02:42
Quote: "Inspire - ...He kinda is depressed... I had been talking to him way before he wrote this. Idk, you'd kinda need to know him.
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I'm sorry dude, didn't understand your position.

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Posted: 27th Dec 2007 12:22 Edited at: 27th Dec 2007 12:23
Lover of games,
Not to be harsh, but the story needs more work. I didn´t get depressed at all by it. Or maybe it is just me being used to depressed storys since I write them myself (to be honest, I find it is just so boring writing not-depressed ones, so the ones I write just gets darker and darker). Could help you with it if you like, it is just to contact me over msn. Otherwise here are four advice:

1. As Seppuku Arts stated, try to show rather then tell. Instead of telling that "this guy is depressed" try with describing the actions and events that led to him feeling like that in first person.

2. Check your spelling and your grammar.

3. Make sure you think throught the entire story and make it credible.

As it is now you tell A but not B. You do not have to write his entire life, just give hints on why he hurt her. Like just note that his father used to beat his mother, until one day he did beat her to death (just thought of something)... or something that could explain the why question. Why would YOU beat up the person you love withot any real reason? Skip "he is just evil", give an real reson for the action. Then you tell that he beat up her brother. Why? Did he protect her from him? Or was he just an ashole?
What have happend in his life? You do not tell what have happend since he did his evil dead. Did he run away from the place he lived to another place? Did she or her brother try and go to court and if so, what was the consequenses of that? You state he is lonely and that he beat up his girlfriend once without any reason but never give any background.

4. About that religius stuff, skip it, unless the guy himself is religius and think he is going to hell. If he is, it would be better to just write the religius parts as his thoughts. But nothing more then that. Not like to tell the world about a guy that is going to hell. And not like there is an almighty observer, that describes what he/she see.
Religion can be used if they are thoughts, nothing more. It depends if you are describing an religius person. If not, skip all religiun.

Hope you find these advice good. I just scratched them down. They are what I thought of after reading your story and the other posts. And to be honest, I really hope you do not feel like this guy. I once did and it was a pain. But I made it .
Anyway, goodluck with your story. If you do not want to write more on it, you can just take this as advice on your next story.

Darkness, you haunt me. If I give in, I would be an monster beyond imagining. Light, you guide me. Thanks to you, I see past the nothingness. Life, I choose to live in the light.

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