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Preston C
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Was in my brothers room playing Mass Effect this morning, waiting for them to wake up so we could exchange gifts for the holiday, when all of a sudden I hear a crash, see a red blur out of the window in the corner of my eye, and another crash, with a shower of ice from the spree landing with a thump on the ground moments after.

My father and I went outside to go see the commotion, and saw the wreck. A guy had drove off of the road, into our driveway, hit a snowbank, collided with the trees in front of the house, went airborne, and flipped his car, coming to a stop after hitting our utility pole. We called the cops, got an ambulance on the way, and acted as traffic control until help arrived to take over.

Ambulance and the cops arrived, got the guy out of the car, alive but wounded. The officer who examined him said he had to be drunk, he smelled like beer and liquor.

If it weren't for the position of the trees in front of my house, the guy was on a collision course to the exact room, and exact point, I was located at the time. Luckily nobody, except the driver, got hurt. Though the house is damaged a bit, the trees busted some holes in the second floor bedroom, and we'll need an electrician to come look at our utility pole and power line.

I have the images of the wreck linked, they're a bit big otherwise:

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So for anyone who plans on driving later from a Christmas party or what have you, don't drink excessively, and be careful. Don't need more of these wrecks on Christmas Day.



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Whoa... That's absurd. How about just avoid drinking and driving at all.


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Posted: 25th Dec 2007 18:50
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There is one good thing you can say about drinking and driving - it's an excellent method for measuring how much of a plank someone is.


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Sad, foolish people. Glad no one got hurt. Don't much care if the driver did...

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Posted: 25th Dec 2007 20:08 Edited at: 25th Dec 2007 20:09
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Ouch! That sucks, having a drunk driver almost quite literally on the doorstep...I'm kind of glad he got hurt - not out of spite, but perhaps it'll teach him a lesson before something more fatal happens, I mean I passionately hate drunk drivers and bad drivers is a pet hate of mine - partially because local pedestrians have died (local case of drunk driver at Christmas speeding down the high street, hit an 18 year old girl and killed her and last years 'christmas' incident wasn't nice at all - I won't mention it, as I was saddened by it) because of them and partially because I've had to dodge traffic myself before on the account of the driver (I mean who doesn't indicate is a moron when you have pedestrians about to cross with the conviction they're going straight on)



Anyway, I wouldn't get me started on drivers, I'm just glad you and your family are safe and that your property got away with a scratch and that drink driver was hurt and shaken up enough to learn his lesson (if they have sense enough) and didn't suffer fatalities.

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Posted: 26th Dec 2007 01:20 Edited at: 26th Dec 2007 03:07
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what a [poopy] head, glad you were ok
Why do people drink and drive?
Personally I don't give a crap what happened to that guy, he is a dumba$$ and dumba$$es usually end up getting themselves killed somehow.

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Posted: 26th Dec 2007 01:28
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Hope this didn't ruin your Christmas too much.


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Posted: 26th Dec 2007 04:49
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wow, that guy had to have been flying to flip that car.

I was at work one morning when I was 18, my dad worked 3rd shift and was usually asleep in the mornings. One day he called me at work to tell me a car drove through our apartment, right into his bedroom. He just happened to have been out at the store that morning when it happened instead of sleeping. Talk about lucky.


Quote: "Personally I don't give a crap what happened to that guy, he is a dumba$$ and dumba$$es usually end up getting themselves killed somehow"

You must not have any family history with the problem(which is good), otherwise you wouldn't think that no matter how intolerable it is to watch. For all we know, the dumbass could have a family at home waiting for him.


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Posted: 26th Dec 2007 05:08 Edited at: 26th Dec 2007 05:09
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Quote: "Ouch! That sucks, having a drunk driver almost quite literally on the doorstep...I'm kind of glad he got hurt - not out of spite, but perhaps it'll teach him a lesson before something more fatal happens, I mean I passionately hate drunk drivers and bad drivers is a pet hate of mine - partially because local pedestrians have died (local case of drunk driver at Christmas speeding down the high street, hit an 18 year old girl and killed her and last years 'christmas' incident wasn't nice at all - I won't mention it, as I was saddened by it) because of them and partially because I've had to dodge traffic myself before on the account of the driver (I mean who doesn't indicate is a moron when you have pedestrians about to cross with the conviction they're going straight on)"


Yeah. At the end of last summer, a friend of mine had been killed by another driver too, though that one was on some form of medication or another, not drunk. He had it good too. Full scholarship to college, was already making a decent salary writing music. It always seems to happen to the best ones, right?

Quote: "Hope this didn't ruin your Christmas too much."


It hasn't been a good past couple of weeks for me, my grandmother died just this past weekend too. But it didn't ruin things. We shrugged off the shock of it all, cleaned up as best we could, exchanged gifts, had a nice breakfast, and then went to go visit the rest of the family, something I always find enjoyable.

Quote: "You must not have any family history with the problem(which is good), otherwise you wouldn't think that no matter how intolerable it is to watch. For all we know, the dumbass could have a family at home waiting for him."


We were told by the cops the guy had to be flown out of the local hospital to another one after he got there he was in such bad condition...and the closest one to us is no shabby hospital! Makes me worry about the guy.

Not pictured were a few gifts that flew out of his car from the wreck, that, I'm guessing, he intended to give to children, his or otherwise.



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Quote: "There is one good thing you can say about drinking and driving - it's an excellent method for measuring how much of a plank someone is"


Or how much of a plank is sticking out of them

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Posted: 26th Dec 2007 19:01
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It's fortunate that no kids were playing out, they'd have been killed. He'll drive drunk again and next time someone will die.


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Although it is kind of the driver's fault, you have to consider that the reason he cannot drive correctly is due to being 'under the influence' - ergo, he probably couldn't make a sensible decision to whether he should driver either whilst intoxicated (and if anything, it's the fault of the people who let him get in his car and drive away, if there were any)

So although I understand the stance of "Oh, I hope he gets hurt" etc., I think it's possibly a bit harsh considering he was likely totally plastered when he decided to drive as well as when he was driving


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It hasn't been a good past couple of weeks for me, my grandmother died just this past weekend too."


Not nice, mine died two weeks before I went to uni, it is strange not having her at Christmas - it hasn't ruined it, but the weeks up and coming to Christmas have really effected my Mum, equally with her a-hole boss on her back.

Quote: "you have to consider that the reason he cannot drive correctly is due to being 'under the influence' - ergo, he probably couldn't make a sensible decision to whether he should driver either whilst intoxicated"


He's responsible for not 'drinking responsibly' - when intoxicated you still have some level of control, the only time I've seen someone without any judgement what-so-ever was when they drank almost a bottle of vodka having never touched spirits before - he barely had any control, was sick and went out drinking more...then phoned his brother and offended the hell out of him. If you drink to that point, you're an idiot - because you regret it in the end.

Other friends who have over done it, have over done it on Scotch and lost all judgment, and were pretty idiotic and to blame for their actions.

Yeah none of them could help their actions, but if you get yourself drunk to the point you can't control yourself what-so-ever, you're responsible for all of the things you do afterwards. Hence whenever I'm drunk I make a judgment on what I'm drinking until a point when I know the next drink might be too much. Hence 'drinking responsibly'.

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Quote: "Hence 'drinking responsibly'.
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Good point I suppose; it is his fault in regards to that. Still though, I think it is quite sick when people say "I hope they get hurt" etc.


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Quote: "Although it is kind of the driver's fault, you have to consider that the reason he cannot drive correctly is due to being 'under the influence' - ergo, he probably couldn't make a sensible decision to whether he should driver either whilst intoxicated (and if anything, it's the fault of the people who let him get in his car and drive away, if there were any)"

I wish that made sense, but it doesn't. That's just making excuses and pointing fingers. If someone chooses to drink and then chooses to drive and then drives fast anything that happens is totally, completely their fault. If a drunk driver killed your parents would you say 'well, it wasn't really his fault, he was drunk after all.' That would be the defense for a multitude of crimes if that was the case. Would you really blame his friends for not trying 'hard enough' to stop him from doing it?

I've been drunk plenty of times, and in many situations it would have been easier to drive than to catch a cab. If I had, it would be absurd to blame anyone else for the consequences of my bad choices.


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Quote: "I think it is quite sick when people say "I hope they get hurt" etc."


Agreed, though I think it's a good thing that he did get hurt, but not severely - but enough to teach him a lesson and to avoid a worse case scenario, (if he has any sense of course) not because he deserves it or anything. Things that could have happened in such a situation could have been a whole lot worse, so in that sense as well - it's good that nobody but him was hurt and that he wasn't severely hurt.

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Quote: "Would you really blame his friends for not trying 'hard enough' to stop him from doing it?"


So you're saying that if you're totally drunk out of your mind, and are surrounded by sober friends, and they all watch you get in your car and drive home without raising an eyebrow, that's perfectly O-K?

I get what you mean, but you've also got to assume that people have enough sense to look out for each other, especially when they have been drinking. And yeah, in this scenario, you can't 'blame' anyone [barring the driver himself] - but in the example above, I would definitely have some 'problems' with how the sober people acted. It's akin to witnesses of a murder not coming forward and telling anyone


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People who are drunk *know* they are drunk. It is their choice to get into a car inebriated and drive home.

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Quote: "People who are drunk *know* they are drunk. It is their choice to get into a car inebriated and drive home."


Yeah, but surely the choice part is the key here - they may well know they're drunk, but it doesn't prevent the alcohol making them do stupid things/making bad choices (i.e destroying inhibitions etc.)


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Quote: "You must not have any family history with the problem(which is good), otherwise you wouldn't think that no matter how intolerable it is to watch. For all we know, the dumbass could have a family at home waiting for him."

Thankfully I don't.
You can't excuse drink driving because of a drink problem (if he had one), I wouldn't call him a criminal but he is a complete idiot.
It is more than likely that the dumbass has a family; Preston also has a family.

I think they should lock him up for a few months and anyone who drink drives (whether or not they crash), then people would stop doing it.

I can't believe people are sticking up for this guy, no one forced him to drive, no one forced him to drink either.
Before you stick up for him think of this situation: you go to a restaurant for a meal. When your food arrives it is burnt black, you complain to the waiter but he says "sorry the chef is drunk", how would you react to that? How would you react when you get the bill?

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Quote: "I can't believe people are sticking up for this guy, no one forced him to drive, no one forced him to drink either."


There's a difference between 'sticking up for him' and seeing this from an objective viewpoint. Yes, it's stupid, and he put lives in danger, luckily only his own in this case.

But at the same time, you have to think about it from their point of view - I'm certain this guy either had a legitimate reason that 'forced' him to drive home, or possibly he was just being stupid. Either way though, people do stupid things all the time; and yeah, we're talking serious, life-endangering stuff here, but to simply dismiss people who do this as "dumbasses" and "I hope they get hurt" is possibly more idiotic. They've done something wrong, but they're still people.


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Apparently the guys injuries weren't as bad as the blood originally proved to be: He showed up today, covered in bandages, to overview the damage, and to offer apology for what he did. He seemed really sorry and regretful for it all.

Though I think he'll pass out when he sees the remains of his car



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It's kind of amazing that he managed to get the car stuck between those two trees so perfectly...

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Quote: "and to offer apology for what he did."

Whch makes him a much better person than we all looked out at at first.


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Quote: "Whch makes him a much better person than we all looked out at at first."


I'm not saying it makes him seem any better in my eyes. He could have hurt or killed someone, he could have heavily damaged someones property. I didn't forget any of that.



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OK, maybe slightly better. At least he has some shame...


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I certainly wouldn't wish for the drunk driver to get hurt, unless of course he'd maimed or killed someone. Then I'd hope he'd exploded.

Being drunk doesn't excuse anything. All being drunk does is amplify aspects of your personality. If part of your personality is being a twat then all that will happen is you'll be a bigger twat when your drunk. If you speed while you're drunk then that just means you wish you could speed while your sober. However, no matter what, people can perfectly well make choices no matter how drunk they are. If someone blames something on how drunk they were then they did it because they really wanted to and are just blaming it on the alcohol.

An example for you (this won't work if you're gay) - Would you do something gay if you got really drunk? Hell no. No amount of alcohol could turn me gay, because I'm not gay to begin with, nor do I wish I were. Alcohol doesn't make you do anything you didn't already want to.


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Indeed DavidR, he is still a person, but I think what we're arguing (or at least what I argue) is that he's is responsible for his own actions - when you get yourself so drunk you don't know what you're doing, anything you do then is your fault because you let yourself drink that much. Why else do we preach to people to 'drink responsibly' it's just not for your liver, but for your own safety and the safety of others as when you're rat-arsed you are pretty much unpredictable even to yourself.

Hence when when I go out with mates, I makes sure I keep lucid - so I make sure I don't do anything stupid and to make sure we all make it safe home.

Though to be fair some people do slip up or fall under peer pressure and drink a boat load, but if that happened, then the choices leading up to getting rat-arsed are still their choices. My flatmate who gets drunk realises it's not a good idea for him to go out drunk, particularly when he had vodka - and so when he goes out, he lets himself get drunk, but not to the point of little control and leaves his Vodka/mass drinking habits to the flat.

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Quote: "He showed up today, covered in bandages, to overview the damage, and to offer apology for what he did. He seemed really sorry and regretful for it all."


Then in some sense it might be good it happend. It might have made so he learned his leason, so he will not do it again. Or think of it this way: If he didn´t crash like that, he might have drink-and-drive again, and then he could have killed someone.

Personally I wouldn´t call the man dumbass, he sound like someone with alcohol-problems. I do not call people with such problems for dumbass, they are people who really need help. An dumbass for me is one without such problems but that still drinks. Not justifying his actions though. Just saying "he is an dumbass" is the wrong way to look at it. At last from my perspective.

However, if he did not have any problems with alcohol, then he truly is both stupid and dumb. In that case I really hope this thought him something. But it sound likes he has problems...

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I wouldn't go so far to assume he has alcohol problems. People make the bad decision of driving drunk all the time, even those who are drunk for the first time. Let's not give this guy too much appreciation, as drunk drivers are responsible for a lot of pain and suffering. In my opinion he belongs in jail, but whatever.

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Just said it sounded like he had problems, not that he had it. If he has, he need help, otherwise, well, prison might be right.

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Something very similar happened at our house around 3 1/2 yrs. ago...
WE had this lot on the left side of our house, and in that lot was a huge pot hole. My Dad always was saying 'we have to fill in that hole, it has no use', but of course it never happened. Good thing.
It's 3 in the morning; mom here's screeching tires, then crash, and through a window she sees headlights. She wakes dad up, dad goes out and the guy hit the hole and was completely stuck!
If that hole had been filled in like my Dad wanted it to be, he would have gotten hit by the truck because the left side of our house was right in the drivers path!!
The guy was an old Vietnam Veteran, and was BOMBED.
The cops came and arrested him and called a tow truck to get th truck out. I completely know what you went through. Those situations can be a little scary . . . especially when you realized you or your loved ones are in a direct path 'o doom.

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What the hell are you people talking about? It almost sounds as if you're saying that the alcohol, which is a non-sentient drink is to be held responsible for being drunk by some idiot? Damn, you people upset me. I had a friend killed by some idiot like that - a young kid, he was sixteen (back in the days where you could still get into the clubs at 16, lol, nowadays it's all 18+ with ID-checks and stuff) and got hit by some insane drink driver in a city nearby where I live. Heck, we chatted before he left. What happens? He goes out, normal guy, rational drinker, never touches more than 3 beers in a night, gets hit by some idiot who drunk until he can't remember if his nose is on his head or on his stomach. Yeah. Sure. It's the fault of who let him drive.

No! Of course it's not. It's the fault of the damned idiot that drinks too much! It's his fault he gets drunk! He drugs himself for whatevers sake. Yeah sorry I killed the guy but I was tripping over this XTC. Oh yeah, my apologies for ripping out your cats innards but I was totally high from my pod. Valid excuses, I guess?

If you drink, you get drunk. Drugged. As soon as you touch your drinks you're still responsible for the effects of the drink on your body. Okay, if it's drugged or something it isn't, but if you drink until you don't remember or control what you're doing, you're a plain dumbass.

It doesn't matter why you drink, you drink. Everyone knows the effects of drinking. Personally, someone with drinking problems should not be allowed in society as far as I see it. They're a danger to themselves but even more to innocent people.

It's simple: You're responsible for drinking and drinking can make you do stupid things. Everyone knows that. It's like running into a boobytrapped corridor where it says: "Watch out! Explosive boobytraps in this corridor!" and then shouting that it's the boobytraps fault it exploded. The guys' behaviour nearly killed innocents and as far as I'm concerned, he winds up in jail for attempting to kill someone.


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Just as an note, I do not excuse this behaviur. But to be an alcoholic means that you cannot control it. There is an reason it is concidered an desease in my country. Thereby I stated that such an person needs help. Serius help. Not just wondering around on the streets, they need to be taken care of and be kept away from alcohol. But, if someone who is not an alcoholic does something stupid when drunk, like driving over somebody, he or she belongs in jail. That is my view on this subject.

And this is not a way of saying that I´m not sorry for your loss, I am. I know I would hate if a friend died, espessially if he or she was killed.

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Just to clarify, I do agree with that people who drink that much do something incredibly bad. Which is why I never drink, because of some of the things I have would make me loose control in a way I´m not prepared to do.
What I do not agree on is that a person who have an genetic condition that makes it impossible for he or she to control alcohol is being considered just an dumbass, for suffering from an desease. Not justifying it though, just saying that they need help and not just punishment.

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