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Geek Culture / Graphics card noob! I need a new one!

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Sonic 91 Software
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Posted: 31st Dec 2007 18:37
I soooo need a new graphics card that is compatible with shaders in DBPro and I've had a look around but such things are a bit too technical, though I do understand it. What's the best brand? The best RAM? The best...? Could someone shed some light on this please? Happy new year, by the way!

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bitJericho
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Posted: 31st Dec 2007 18:42
I'd recommend an geforce 8600gts if you're on a budget, an 8800gt for midrange, and an 8800gts/gtx if you got some money to spend.

They're pretty much the best cards on the market.


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kaedroho
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Posted: 31st Dec 2007 18:45 Edited at: 31st Dec 2007 19:27
Best Brand:
Not really sure about the graphics card but get an nvidia.

Best RAM:
id say 256 MB (512MB is just Overkill)

Shaders:
DBPro Works well with PS/VS 2a

ps try and get one with SLI
Roxas
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Posted: 31st Dec 2007 18:52
Quote: "Best Brand:
Not really sure about the graphics card but get an nvidia."


PHAHAH NVidia.. Never please.. The whole company is retarted.. Get an ATi!

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jasonhtml
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Posted: 31st Dec 2007 19:25
well, you might want to learn a bit about hardware before slapping things inside your pc...

1) you'll need a power supply that can handle your new graphics card

2) nVidia is much better than ati. look at their new 8600 and 8800 series.

3) the more video RAM the better, id say. 512 isn't overkill. its actually becoming the standard, but if money is an issue, 256 isn't bad either.

4) make sure it fits on your motherboard!!! learn what hardware you CURRENTLY have.

my 2 cents

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Posted: 31st Dec 2007 19:27
Personally i will take it too NVidia has better gaming cards currently but ATi has better perfomance for 3d things etc stuff..

And personally i hate NVidia because of the compo thingy..

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bitJericho
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Posted: 31st Dec 2007 19:32
Actually, Nvidia makes superior cards to ati in every way. They're faster, cheaper, and far better supported.

Go nvidia. In a few years it may turn the other way, but right now nvidia is the way to go.

And if you personally hate nvidia because of the compo thing, then go ahead and waste your money on ati, it'd be no skin off nvidia's back


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Posted: 31st Dec 2007 23:09 Edited at: 31st Dec 2007 23:10
get an 8800GTS 320 and you wont offend the RAM gods (ie 256 vs 512, or 640). The 8800gts 320 is 320 mb ram and 320 bit bus (pci-e 1.0 and 2.0) and supports DX10. Im using it on my XP dx9.0c system (pci-e 1.0), and am about to go gas up COD4

the 640 seemed a bit overkill, and I wasnt gonna pay that amount for the ultra, pfft.

good luck

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Sonic 91 Software
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Posted: 5th Jan 2008 16:21
I bought an NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS 256mb from eBay (brand new) for, I think, a bargain price of about £30. And it works brilliantly, it supports shaders, bumpmapping in particular, which is what I wanted.

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bitJericho
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Posted: 5th Jan 2008 16:24 Edited at: 5th Jan 2008 16:25
The 8400 will run modern games at their lowest setting. (It's actually what I'm running atm) But it's a budget card to say the least. Can pick them up for 40-50usd here in the states.

Definitely don't go any less than an 8600gts if you want to have nicer graphics.


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Keo C
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Posted: 5th Jan 2008 16:55
Not meaning to hijack the thread. How many years will I get use of a 8600 GT?

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bitJericho
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Posted: 5th Jan 2008 16:58
8600gt is already on the way out. Of course, it'll play games on low setting for the next couple years I would guess.


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Posted: 5th Jan 2008 17:00
That's what I thought. I'll save some more money and get a new Power Supply. I have a 305W Dell one. 450W here I come.
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Posted: 5th Jan 2008 19:17
it aint the watts so much as its the amps.

example 8800gts 320 needs 26 amps dedicated to the video card, which doesnt include the rest of the system.

to calculate amps add up the total +12v rails amps (just on the positive rails 12 volts) for the psu. My psu is 500 watts and puts out 36amps combined on 3 +12v rails. Most newer supplies are starting to come out with dedicated circuits (+12v rail) specifically for the vid card, or twin dedicated for sli setups, with the remainder on shared rails, or other dedicated rails. thats the best scenario really. So if power dips on the other rails the video card doesnt lose juice and blue screen.

I am looking at the Antec 850 TPQ psu, since this psu may be on the way out

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Posted: 5th Jan 2008 20:15 Edited at: 5th Jan 2008 20:32
8600GTS is a good price/performance balance if you pick one up of ebay for around £60. Not had problems running anything at 1440x900 resolution.

I wouldn't pay shop prices if around £100 for one though after I found an MSI 8600GT (no S) that overclocked to 675/1700 and gave the same FPS!

If you got a bit more you can now pick up a 256mb 8800GT for about £120 although most people will recommend you go for the 512mb version for an extra £40 because it will support higher screen resolutions.

My MSI 8600GT Overclocked to GTS speed!!! (I left the speed at 675 as there was no benefit to 700)


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Raven
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Posted: 5th Jan 2008 20:23
Complete drivel that NVIDIA is better than ATI
Used to be true that NVIDIA had superior cards, with better support but that just isn't true since the GeForce 5-Series.

NVIDIA's drivers are no longer as good as they used to be, their performance over ATI is marginal at best; as for NVIDIA being cheaper don't make me laugh.

(source being dabs.com)
Radeon HD 2600 XT £60
GeForce 8600 GT £70

Radeon HD 3850 £100
GeForce 8800 GT £150

Radeon HD 3870 £140
GeForce 8800 GTX £300

Those are the prices for the cards with equal power.
The Catalyst drivers for ATI are now as stable as the NVIDIA Forceware used to be, and the cards have no trouble playing any games even older titles even on Vista now.

Not to mention all ATI cards also use less power, run cooler and can be overclocked more with overclocking options within the drivers themselves unlike NVIDIA who have recently removed this functionality.

Oh and add to all of this while yes ATI cards do show slightly lower performance in benchmarks, the NVIDIA cards peak more often.
When you see adverage frame-rates the story is very different.

I have an GeForce 8600 GT and Radeon 2600 XT here, while I can get some nice impressive framerates with the 8600GT this often is closely followed by much lower ones.

Half-Life Episode 2 for example with identical settings (everything max at 1280x1024 4xFSAA 8xAF ) the 8600 will range from 45-80fps where-as the Radeon runs at a stable 60-70fps.

This is true in a huge number of games I have, which is why I bought the 2600 XT to see the performance difference and have given my old 8600 GT to a friend. Not to mention I've yet to come across a game it doesn't run, where-as my 8600 had games it would simply crash on; others it was touchy about running. Not to mention I could guarentee atleast once a week if not more it would reset the driver crashing back to desktop.

It's all just sheer propagander that frankly has no place when it comes to gaming. As far as I'm conserned whatever someone wants to get is up to them in the end, just give them the options available in their price-range.

They can go with what they prefer, but personally I see ATI as far better value for money. As does every review I've seen for the Radeon HD-Series.

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Posted: 5th Jan 2008 20:30 Edited at: 5th Jan 2008 20:41
3850 is not equal to an 8800GT, from benchmarks the 3870 seems to struggle to match it.

The ATI stuff wil take up 2 slots and a bit more power.

Quote: "I bought an NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS"


It will be fine for DBP but you will find it too slow for recent DX10 Vista games. I wouldn't recommend anything less than a 8600GT to run FPSC DX10

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