Sorry your browser is not supported!

You are using an outdated browser that does not support modern web technologies, in order to use this site please update to a new browser.

Browsers supported include Chrome, FireFox, Safari, Opera, Internet Explorer 10+ or Microsoft Edge.

FPSC Classic Models and Media / [LOCKED] New Release: Sign Entities "Framed Art (Pack 1) 250 entities for $5

Author
Message
billv
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Nov 2007
Location:
Posted: 1st Jan 2008 12:09
Link
Signs-Framed Art (Pack 1) only $5 Released 1/08 INSTANT DELIVERY

Contents: 250 Images in Picture Frames spread over 13 categories.

These Framed pictures are FPSC "Sign entities" ready to hang on a wall and are fully FPSC compatible. Place folders into your entitybank folder and go.

Instantly create a better atmosphere in your rooms.


BV MUSIChttp://users.tpg.com.au/billv

Attachments

Login to view attachments
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
bobert
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 27th Oct 2007
Location: where ever they sell chocolate
Posted: 1st Jan 2008 16:40
Link
how bout a pic of them in fpsc?

classic gamer
Back to top
Profile PM
Reality Forgotten
FPSC Reloaded TGC Backer
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 28th Dec 2005
Location: Wichita Falls TX
Posted: 1st Jan 2008 17:09
Link
Yes, PLease show us these 250 original pictures...



Cheers,
Dave


Back to top
Profile PM Email
Luke314pi
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 11th Apr 2006
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posted: 1st Jan 2008 17:16
Link
Do you have the rights to distribute these images? Just making sure.

Back to top
Profile PM Website
Aaagreen
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Sep 2007
Location: City 17
Posted: 1st Jan 2008 17:55
Link
It is illegal to sell them if
a: you took these from someone else without their permission
b: you have distributed them freely in the past

IT'S FIVE-YEAR MISSION, TO EXPLORE STRANGE NEW WORLDS, TO SEEK OUT NEW LIFE AND NEW CIVILIZATIONS, TO BOLDLY GO WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE.
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Duplex
User Banned
Posted: 1st Jan 2008 19:10
Link
Quote: "b: you have distributed them freely in the past"


That's not illegal, just stupid.

Your signature has been erased by a mod
Back to top
Profile
tyrano man
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 26th Oct 2006
Location: Battle City - Kalspher :)
Posted: 1st Jan 2008 22:33 Edited at: 1st Jan 2008 22:35
Link
Quote: "you have distributed them freely in the past"
Quote: "That's not illegal, just stupid."


I don't say this often, but....

pwned.

Prepare for an epic battle between Good and Neutral!
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Seth Black
FPSC Reloaded TGC Backer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 22nd Feb 2005
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posted: 1st Jan 2008 22:41
Link
...doubt if your Framed Art Pack 1 is going to see the light of day, on these boards.

Doubtful you visited all of those exotic places, and took those professional shots.


Widow 13 - Coming Spring 2008
Back to top
Profile PM
billv
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Nov 2007
Location:
Posted: 1st Jan 2008 23:35
Link
Dear Bob- yes, will make a demo level with all pictures and will upload a video on my video demo page. Give me few days.

Dear Reality forgotton- I did not claim that these pictures were original. There's a few original pictures in there though. The next pack will feature all original pictures.

Dear Luke 314pi- Yes, I have the right to use these pictures inside my own product.(I have included the Licence agreement from the source on the bottom of this post, if you still have doubts.
Pleaae note the first paragraph)

Dear Bum fat cheese- Im with Duplex on this one. I don't understand
your "b" comment at all. Please explain if your serious.
Dear Seth Black- The Framed art pack has seen the light of day and is now getting a nice tan thank you very much. Also I did not claim to have taken the shots or to have visited the places in question. However, I have travelled in 13 Dirrerent countries in Europe and have taken many shots that will feature in the the next Framed Art Pack.
BV

Source Licence Agreement
The user may, subject to any restrictions set out below:
a) Incorporate any Images into Customer’s own original work and publish, display, and distribute Customer’s work in any media. Customer may not, however, resell, sublicense, or otherwise make available the Images for use or distribution separately or detached from a product or web page. For example, the Images may be used as part of a web page design, but may not be made available for downloading separately or in a format designed or intended for permanent storage or re-use by others. Similarly, persons may be provided with copies of the Images (including digital files) as an integral part of a work product, but may not be provided with the Images or permitted to use the Images separately or as part of any other product.
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
bobert
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 27th Oct 2007
Location: where ever they sell chocolate
Posted: 1st Jan 2008 23:47
Link
Quote: "However, I have travelled in 13 Dirrerent countries in Europe "


big whoop

classic gamer
Back to top
Profile PM
Seth Black
FPSC Reloaded TGC Backer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 22nd Feb 2005
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posted: 1st Jan 2008 23:52 Edited at: 1st Jan 2008 23:56
Link
Quote: "Dear Seth Black- The Framed art pack has seen the light of day and is now getting a nice tan thank you very much. "


...that door will be shut, and the window shades drawn, when a mod visits this thread.

Who is the owner granting you permission to use these images, in this fashion? You fail to include that with the permissions you cite.


Widow 13 - Coming Spring 2008
Back to top
Profile PM
metalkill
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 22nd Dec 2007
Location:
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 00:05
Link
Quote: "Yes, PLease show us these 250 original pictures..
Cheers,
Dave"


Quote: "...that door will be shut, and the window shades drawn, when a mod visits this thread.

Who is the owner granting you permission to use these images, in this fashion? You fail to include that with the permissions you cite."


Hmm, I would have to agree... There is now way all of this is your work. But if it is I am sure you have all the original pictures. Can't sell stuff that is not your own work. Hope you have the originals...


Back to top
Profile PM
billv
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Nov 2007
Location:
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 00:26
Link
Dear bobert- yeh mate, that's what I think too. big whoop.
Dear Seth Black-Here is the top part of the agreement.
The "software" mentioned in this Licensing agreement is a product I have bought and paid for. According to this agreement, I HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THESE IMAGES INSIDE MY OWN PRODUCT.

GUIDELINES FOR THE USE OF CLIPART, PHOTOGRAPHIC IMAGES, AND FONTS:

The Software contains numerous clipart, photographic images, and fonts (collectively, “Images”), which are either owned by Avery or licensed from a third party. Customer may, subject to any restrictions set out below:

Any other issues of Legality may be sourced direct from Avery.
The software I've used question is Click 'n' Design.

Ps. While I get to the demo video, There's 12 Frames on my site which give a clear picture of the whole product.


Will also post Liscencing agreement on website to put people at ease.

Thanks for all the feedback.
BV
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Deathead
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 14th Oct 2006
Location:
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 00:59
Link
Quote: "Dear Seth Black- The Framed art pack has seen the light of day and is now getting a nice tan thank you very much."

What type of Reply is that!?
BillV: You are not showing us real proof of these distributer, or who he/she is. Bill also I would really say that this pack is lacking value anybody can get signs copy loads of images of photos from the internet and get a image of a frame delete the white area or original picture and then flatten them both together and then go to a program and make them. And besides this will be locked anyways as it is a rule on these boards that you need a screenshot of the object not the real image.

[href=http://www.freewebs.com/ignitestudios/]

[/href]
Back to top
Profile PM Email
bobert
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 27th Oct 2007
Location: where ever they sell chocolate
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 01:04
Link
or they could just use signs4.

classic gamer
Back to top
Profile PM
Deathead
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 14th Oct 2006
Location:
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 01:24
Link
Quote: "or they could just use signs4."

What do you think I mean't by "Programs"

[href=http://www.freewebs.com/ignitestudios/]

[/href]
Back to top
Profile PM Email
bobert
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 27th Oct 2007
Location: where ever they sell chocolate
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 01:28
Link
he used signs4 to make the frames.

classic gamer
Back to top
Profile PM
Zdrok
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 19th Dec 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 01:36
Link
Quote: "he used signs4 to make the frames."


What, is billv your "friend"? I'm not dissing you, I'm just wondering how in the world you know that.

Failure to Cooperate
Coming to a PC near you.
Back to top
Profile PM Email
billv
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Nov 2007
Location:
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 01:43
Link
You could use Signs, or go through that process of sourcing images, coverting them and creating files ect ect. Absolutly I agree. And I highly recommend Signs and that developers create their own objects.
But the reality for me is that Game development is a massive creative exercise and every now and then you have to delegate some parts of the creative procces out to third parties, in order to get the job done, speed up the game production process
ect,ect.
For example, I've been trying to create my own animated characters and I am not making any real progress. I could spend the next year just trying to make this one facet of game production work, but I only have two hands and don't have a free "year" up my sleeve - so
I delegated this part of production out to "the Game Creators" and bought a Pack full of characters that are ready to go. Great stuff,
now I can focus on to other areas of production, and slowly practice character animation when time allows.

I think The Framed Art is a solid idea that will speed up a developers workflow.

Sorry about that other snotty reply-feeling a bit sensitive this morning, ha ha
Ps.
Have posted liscencing details on my site.
Cheers
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
rolfy
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 23rd Jun 2006
Location:
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 02:15
Link
LOL, I think you are stretching the license a bit,it says you can though you cant.

Can
Quote: "Incorporate any Images into Customer’s own original work and publish, display, and distribute Customer’s work in any media"

Cant
Quote: "Customer may not, however, resell, sublicense, or otherwise make available the Images for use or distribution separately or detached from a product or web page."

Can
Quote: " Similarly, persons may be provided with copies of the Images (including digital files) as an integral part of a work product"

Cant
Quote: "but may not be provided with the Images or permitted to use the Images separately or as part of any other product. "


At the end of the day they are saying you may use these for personal projects or your websites,I dont think they are saying you can take them all and sell 'em no matter how you dress it up.


Back to top
Profile PM
Reality Forgotten
FPSC Reloaded TGC Backer
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 28th Dec 2005
Location: Wichita Falls TX
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 02:56
Link
That's how I read it as well ROLFY..

Cheers,
Dave


Back to top
Profile PM Email
Inspire
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 23rd Dec 2006
Location: Rochester, NY
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 02:58
Link
Quote: "What, is billv your "friend"? I'm not dissing you, I'm just wondering how in the world you know that."


The first half of that comment was rude.

And maybe he used Signs before? Ever think of that?

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Zdrok
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 19th Dec 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 03:03
Link
...

I think I just got owned by Inspire...back away slowly. I give up!

Failure to Cooperate
Coming to a PC near you.
Back to top
Profile PM Email
Seth Black
FPSC Reloaded TGC Backer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 22nd Feb 2005
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 03:47
Link
@rolfy & Forgotten Reality,

...that's how I'm reading it as well.

I've been a photographer for years. We don't tend to sell images online, for whatever purpose the client wishes.

The images remain the property of the photographer, and specific rights are purchased.

The fact that he hasn't provided any name for the copyright holder is also very telling:

1. Can't verify the authorization
2. Can't notify the owner of any infractions

@bobert,

I tend to agree. Those look like Signs 4 frames.


Widow 13 - Coming Spring 2008
Back to top
Profile PM
billv
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Nov 2007
Location:
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 04:44
Link
Attached is a screenshot that was requested.

Copyright holder is Avery. Licence details are on my site and theirs.

I'm not stretching the license at all.
Please Read those can and can't quotes again. They say very clearly that the images can be used as part of an original work.
I am not selling or distributing these images on their own, detached or as a seperate entity.


[href]null[/href]http://users.tpg.com.au/billv

Attachments

Login to view attachments
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
rolfy
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 23rd Jun 2006
Location:
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 06:19 Edited at: 2nd Jan 2008 06:26
Link
You still seem to be insisting that you have the right to sell these images in your product basing this upon the idea that you are not selling or distributing them separately and that they are a part of your product.

Your interpretation of this license seems to be different from the one we have,folks around here are very wary of using something that may get them in heaps of trouble,not to mention having to rework they're whole game design when asked to remove them.
If you purchased these images they are saying you may redistribute them as part of your project or product,not that you can sell them on yourself.

For those of you who cant be bothered with browsing through the Avery site (which is huge) here is the license (without any editing) which they post for images used from the site.

YOU MAY, subject to any restrictions set out below:

Incorporate any Image(s) into your own original work and publish, display and distribute your work in any media. You may not, however, resell, sublicense or otherwise make available the Image(s) for use or distribution separately or detached from a product or web page. For example, the Image(s) may be used as part of a web page design, but may not be made available for downloading separately or in a format designed or intended for permanent storage or re-use by others. Similarly, clients may be provided with copies of the Image(s) (including digital files) as an integral part of a work product, but may not be provided with the Image(s) or permitted to use the Image(s) separately or as part of any other product;
Make one (1) copy of the Image(s) for backup or archival purposes.

They also mention that some rights are owned by third parties.
The term 'thin ice' comes to mind.

Maybe I'm just dense...


Back to top
Profile PM
Seth Black
FPSC Reloaded TGC Backer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 22nd Feb 2005
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 06:22
Link
...nope.


Widow 13 - Coming Spring 2008
Back to top
Profile PM
Bad Monkey
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 1st Jan 2007
Location:
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 06:31
Link
I also see a larger issue at work here: who is 'really' the owner of a picture?

http://www.digg.com/world_news/Egypt_seeks_to_copyright_The_Pyramids

This article shows that even if a person takes a picture of something, then are they really the owner of that picture?

I think there are larger copyright issues at hand here than what has already been said.

Buy some new FPSCreator Ready Characters at:
http://www.freewebs.com/fpscharacters/
Back to top
Profile PM
Seth Black
FPSC Reloaded TGC Backer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 22nd Feb 2005
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 06:36 Edited at: 2nd Jan 2008 06:41
Link
...if you look at an image as the intellectual property of the photographer, it becomes their property.

10 people can each capture an image of the pyramid in Egypt you mention,
but each of the images will be unique in some way.

The situation with the pyramid in Egypt is that it sits upon private (Egyptian) land. What sits on private land can be copyrighted, and protected in such a way.

If something sits in a public setting, where everyone can access it, that becomes a moot point.


Widow 13 - Coming Spring 2008
Back to top
Profile PM
rolfy
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 23rd Jun 2006
Location:
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 06:43
Link
You could argue that the pyramids were built by aliens and therefore doesn't belong to the Egyptians anyway.
I know this for fact I saw it on Stargate.


Back to top
Profile PM
Seth Black
FPSC Reloaded TGC Backer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 22nd Feb 2005
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 06:44
Link
...that's a great point!


Widow 13 - Coming Spring 2008
Back to top
Profile PM
billv
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Nov 2007
Location:
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 07:35
Link
Yes Rolphy, for me, you hit the nail on the head with this quote-
"If you purchased these images they are saying you may redistribute them as part of your project or product,not that you can sell them on yourself."

This is exactly what I have done. They are not being re-distributed on thier own. They are a part of another product, which by their licence, is permitted.

The coyright licence for my product- is much the same. You can use
these frames in your free games or commercial games.
What you cannot do, "is take the product apart and sell or distribute them on their own". This is = to theft. What I have done is "used resources that I have bought and paid for, within an
another product, according to the licensing agreements of said resource source"

I understand how sensitive the copyright issue for gamers.

It's a real tin of worms isn't it.
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
BatVink
Moderator
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Apr 2003
Location: Gods own County, UK
Posted: 2nd Jan 2008 09:30
Link
I'm locking this, as it is highly likely that the images are not being used as licensed. Please don't post again without permission from the copyright owner that this is a legitimate use of the images.

My personal (not legal) opinion is that wrapping an image in a frame to circumvent the license does not allow you to redistribute. It would be akin to putting 3 seconds silence on the end of a royalty-free song and calling it your own.
Back to top
Profile PM Email
Back to top

Login to post a reply

Server time is: 2024-11-20 00:46:41
Your offset time is: 2024-11-20 00:46:41