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ionstream
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Posted: 13th Jan 2008 04:46
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Privacy has been considered as an "implied right" by the US Supreme Court, as it is not written in the Constitution. This Intel ID thing is absolutely nothing to worry about, unless theres some hidden part of the IP that sends it in every packet. There's always been a static address that can be used to identify a person's computer (the MAC address), and IPv6 is only helping the unique-id idea, which frankly, considering the amount of trash on the internet, is a good thing.

Worst case scenario, even if the government or Microsoft is watching your every move (which I admit would be a bad thing), you're still one number out of a sea of several billion, viewed with no special scrutiny.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2008 21:00 Edited at: 13th Jan 2008 21:00
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I am completely against this, especially when it's being done without me knowing it. And I mean really knowing and not just suspecting. Accessing someone's computer, looking through files, logs, ect is like the police coming in my house every day just to look around. If they want to look in my computer, they should need a reason and a warrent, just like searching a person's house.

But hey, if you some of you people have no problem with this, then why not have police occupying your homes?


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Posted: 13th Jan 2008 21:24
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Quote: "But hey, if you some of you people have no problem with this, then why not have police occupying your homes?"


As long as they leave my red bull alone and stay out of my way, i'm perfectly fine with that. Why wouldn't i? I mean, surely i have nothing to fear unless i'm doing something illegal...



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Posted: 13th Jan 2008 21:30
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Think of it this way. If he got caught because his HD wasn't active.
Run a anti-virus scan and then go do something illegal.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2008 23:26
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I like having privacy cos you never know when you're gonna have to kill someone

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Dr Manette
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Well yea, that and I'd rather not have people looking at any number of personal things I could have on my computer that aren't illegal. If I wanted people to see my stuff, I will show them. Till then, they better have a good reason to be looking.

Quote: "As long as they leave my red bull alone and stay out of my way, i'm perfectly fine with that. Why wouldn't i? I mean, surely i have nothing to fear unless i'm doing something illegal..."


So you'd be fine with the police in your bathroom, in your bedroom, in your kid's room (if you have kids), constantly watching and looking at anything they want??


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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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You couldn't possibly watch that many cameras at once. It'd just have to be played back for criminal investigations.


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Quote: "You couldn't possibly watch that many cameras at once. It'd just have to be played back for criminal investigations."


Hahaha...

/me watches NeX huddled in the corner writing in his journal so the TV doesn't see him.


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Grandma
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Posted: 14th Jan 2008 03:16
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Quote: "So you'd be fine with the police in your bathroom, in your bedroom, in your kid's room (if you have kids), constantly watching and looking at anything they want??"


I have nothing to hide.

Also, there might be a slight possibility that i were being sarcastic, but i dunno. I might agree to it over my dead body or when pigs fly.

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Gil Galvanti
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What if, hypothetically, by placing cameras in every room of your house and granting the government full access to your information and activities, almost all crime was thwarted leading to very few murders, robberies, kidnappings, identity theft, shootings, bombings, etc. Would it be worth it? My answer would be yes, but I have a feeling everyone else's will be no .


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Posted: 14th Jan 2008 03:26 Edited at: 14th Jan 2008 03:26
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Heck Gil, that remark made me realize that I don't even know your real name yet .


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@ tha_rami

Sorry, i meant over my dead body AND when pigs fly.

Quote: "What if, hypothetically, by placing cameras in every room of your house and granting the government full access to your information and activities, almost all crime was thwarted leading to very few murders, robberies, kidnappings, identity theft, shootings, bombings, etc. Would it be worth it?"


It wouldn't stop government sanctioned murders, bombing etc. There are thousands upon thousands of documented cases of questionable government actions troughout history. They are humans afterall. I wouldn't trust them as far as i can throw them. That's not very far actually, i'm not that strong.

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Quote: "It wouldn't stop government sanctioned murders, bombing etc. There are thousands upon thousands of documented cases of questionable government actions troughout history. They are humans afterall. I wouldn't trust them as far as i can throw them. That's not very far actually, i'm not that strong."

What if only machines analyzed the footage until a playback was needed?


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Quote: "What if, hypothetically, by placing cameras in every room of your house and granting the government full access to your information and activities, almost all crime was thwarted leading to very few murders, robberies, kidnappings, identity theft, shootings, bombings, etc. Would it be worth it? My answer would be yes, but I have a feeling everyone else's will be no ."


Nope, I would not be ok with that ^_^

By no means do I want a crime filled world, but IMO lack of a right to privacy is a crime.

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Posted: 14th Jan 2008 04:04 Edited at: 14th Jan 2008 04:09
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Quote: "What if only machines analyzed the footage until a playback was needed?"


That was just what i was envisioning. Didn't really expect anyone to work full time watching me. I'm not that of a threat (yet).

That's also why i brought up the corrupt governments comment. If they indeed are corrupt and i am working on exposing it or something to that effect, then i'm pretty much screwed. They will have picked up on my activities (from their analyzing of e-mails and phone calls, also by computers, using keywords). Ofcourse at that point they will "need" the footage. And they will [insert questionable government action] to prevent them from loosing their power.

Edit: It's not that i'm afraid that will ever happen, it's more like it CAN happen. People should have enough freedom (and privacy) to oppose whatever tyranny is bestowed upon them.

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Quote: "Would it be worth it? My answer would be yes"


Now you're just being silly. I do hope you never try for political office with those beliefs :/


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Quote: "Now you're just being silly. I do hope you never try for political office with those beliefs :/"

Lol, don't worry, I don't intend to .


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Quote: "Lol, don't worry, I don't intend to ."


Good

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Helios, in Deus Ex, is an AI aspiring to rule the world.

* "I should regulate human affairs precisely because I lack all ambition, whereas human beings are prey to it. Their history is a succession of inane squabbles, each one coming closer to total destruction."

* "The checks and balances of democratic governments were invented because human beings themselves realized how unfit they were to govern themselves. They needed a system, yes, an industrial-age machine."

Totally cool .


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Quote from Grandma on the last page:


Quote: "or when pigs fly. "


Sorry, I have to say this, being the topic is the police...I'll remark with 'police helicopters'


I think privacy and security is a difficult one, to be secure you may need to sacrifice some of your privacy. I'm all for criminals being caught, if this whole thing is just when you're under investigation I'm happy as long as what is recorded on my computer is 100% safe (so that it can't be hacked, considering there are some very skill hackers, I feel a little bit uneasy if say I ended up annoying one over the net) - and whatever data they do have on me IS safe.

And well, I just watched Die Hard 4.0, if it wasn't a movie I'd been feeling very paranoid right now.



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Quote: "I've laughed at all the doomsday prophecies except this one, it's a humdinger."

Yeah, it's a bit creepy that so many predicted 2012 as being the last year for humans. The Mayans said it, the alleged "bible code" claims we'll be hit with a comet or meteor, I think even Nostradameus' fans claim he predicted it. And there's the whole peak oil thing as well, that's happening that year. The only semi-scary thing we know that'll happen that year for sure, besides the London Olympics with their horrific signage, is 433 Eros coming within 16 to 17 million miles of earth. Let's just hope no planets mess with that puppy's gravity and pull it into us... it's 13 km wide, 13km tall, and 33 km long. That'd be a really bad day me thinks .

As for the Orwellian stuff, I can't really comment without getting political. But what I can say is that 60% of my time online is spent on yahoo messenger anyway, so I'll never need to worry about an alibi if I'm accused of popping someone lol. "See officer? I posted on TGC at 2:09pm!"

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Of course no one wants crime, still I'd rather have at least some of my privacy. It sounds like some people assume the information is safe , but as soon as you let the government have the information, they can do anything with it.

The real question is, who will be the one to make the last post before the world goes boom? I can imagine a thread with people posting "I posted before this thread is annihilated by earth's destruction".


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433 Eros is a 'near miss'. Not a hit. All blown out of proportions exactly due to those prophecies.

It's also a bit early...


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Why are people concerned about an ancient civilization predicting the end of the world? I don't understand this one bit. Technology was FAR less superior back then. People can't predict the end of the world as it is today, yet people are worried about ancient people's predictions. Makes no logical sense to me.

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The idea is that back then they had a far greater wisdom, as opposed to technology, that was lost some time between then and now for whatever reason. Not saying I believe it, but I understand those who do (to an extent).

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Quote: "TV doesn't see him."

I don't have a TV. Or a webcam. My phone camera is face down on the desk. Love to know where that camera is.


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People don't actually believe it, do they?


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Well, the thing that makes most people consider it real is that the Mayans were able to calculate when some huge interstellar alignment was going to happen. I can't remember exactly what it is, but I think it's something to the effect of a bunch of solar systems being aligned or whatever. As ancient as the Mayans are, they predicted something that took contemporary science a long, long time to calculate (with computers in the late 1980's or early 1990's if I remember correctly). I'm fairly skeptical of the whole thing, but I don't think we could even dream of chalking that up as a lucky guess. Somehow, they knew the exact date of this big alignment, and so when they say the world is going to end on that day, or there's going to be some huge shift in world order, then naturally some people will assume they're right about that, too.

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Quote: "Legal controversy

In an experimental legal case, Eros was claimed as property by Gregory W. Nemitz of OrbDev. According to the Homestead principle, Nemitz argued that he had the right to claim ownership of any celestial body that he made use of; he claimed he had designated Eros a spacecraft parking facility and wished to charge NASA a parking and storage fee of twenty cents per year for NEAR Shoemaker. Nemitz's case was dismissed and an appeal denied.[1]"


LOL... that's about the 433 Eros from wikipedia. That made my day. Too bad he didn't win.

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