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Posted: 15th Jan 2008 23:25 Edited at: 15th Jan 2008 23:26
So what do you think about it?
At least it´s thin...

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Posted: 15th Jan 2008 23:27
It looks like an asian supermodel.

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Posted: 15th Jan 2008 23:37
It's absolutely awesome, I saw it earlier today. No disc drive could be annoying initially, but USB seems to kill everything these days anyway. However, I was looking at it from the perspective of being a cheap, low spec, light weight laptop - it is, obviously not. For what it is, it is extremely expensive.


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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 00:32
Oh dear. This looks set to be a bit pants. I can't imagine it'll take much of a beating before breaking, (no thick plastic to absorb the knocks - and I'm thinking of the screen here) no DVD drive, the trademark Apple price tag and an irremovable battery. I'm yet to see any reason at all why anyone would want this except as a piece of art.


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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 00:44
I think it looks interesting, I think the only main advantage is that it's extra light, when you're portable quite a lot it might save on some weight, for example I dislike carrying my laptop to uni, and the other MacBooks (or laptops in general) aren't that much lighter.

I'd see it convenient, other than the price of course.

On the note of fragility, depends, it maybe thin - but in the case of you snapping it, then you'd be a fool to treat a laptop in a way it puts 'bending' pressure. As for the rest of it, you never know it could be very solidly placed together, I'm gonna wait until they come into the local Mac shop (Not to buy, but to look at and see if it really is suitable for my uses)

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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 00:47 Edited at: 16th Jan 2008 00:52
uggghh, i hope it fails miserably. (unfortunately we all know it wont)

i hate how aesthetics seems to be on top of the agenda for every apple product. nobody *needs* a stupidly thin laptop thats bound to be overpriced. (ok, some need lightweight, but this is just for sake of show, i wonder how the cooling is in such confined space)

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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 00:51
external dvd drive.

they're joking right?

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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 00:51 Edited at: 16th Jan 2008 00:53
I'd rather have a Linux Eee PC for £200 $400 Ultra light and small with solid state hard disk but without breaking the bank.



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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 01:43
Hmm, I'm a little disappointed by the lack of a DVD drive...Looking at it - yeah thin, light laptop, but really worth it? Probably not, the MacBook is cheaper. Using a DVD drive on another computer is a pain and what about CD/DVD rom back ups? Nice idea, but perhaps little more consideration on the DVD/CD use...though I'm sure it'll be great for some people.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 02:35
i was thinking at one time to buy a macbook pro for its cool design, slot dvd rw, magnetic power plug and aluminum exterior. but since i do not find mac os very useful for my purposes and because macbookpro has some issues with windows os i decided to get a clevo M570RU with an 8800gtx (i suggest people to check it out, its the second fastest in the world after clevo D900 /w dual 8800gtx and a quad core)

after reading this post, i realized that this thing is just not worth the hype. I do agree that its very light and thin and slim and good for travel (if you be super careful)

well this will give mac fan boys a reason to crusade the internet for the next month or so.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 04:09
What's new about this? They've had light, tiny laptops for a long time.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 05:17
Quote: "What's new about this? They've had light, tiny laptops for a long time."


Its suppose to be the smallest laptop evar.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 05:42
Apple should stick to making iRacks.

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lol

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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 12:51
Quote: "What's new about this? They've had light, tiny laptops for a long time."


A smaller mac?

The only things I'm bummed about this is the price (considering the spec) and the lack of a DVD drive. It's probably just a nice and light mac as well as a novelty for geeks. If you're not rich enough to spend money on novelties (like me) you'd be better off with a MacBook (if you're a mac user)

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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 13:39
Quote: "What's new about this? They've had light, tiny laptops for a long time."


What, with solid state hard drives as well?


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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 14:37 Edited at: 16th Jan 2008 14:38
Great laptop but it's a Mac, have no optical drive and costs too much.

I'm thinking of a 13.3" screen for my next laptop, maybe a Dell XPS. More features at a lower price, and it's a PC.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2008 16:27
Macbook air:
19.4mm x 325mm x 227mm
1.36kg

Dell XPS M1330:
38.7mm x 337mm x 248mm
1.8kg

So for 19.3mm extra thickness and 440g more weight you can get a much higher spec laptop for a much smaller price Think I know what I'd choose...

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It wouldn't hurt to shave off those 440g though (25%), but not worth it.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2008 05:09
Fairplay, but you'd never get me to buy a dell in a million years, but we know there have been other small/thin laptops about, but none of them run MacOSX, which is why it draws interest amongst the Mac users, because if they can afford the price and can live without a DVD player, it'd be the perfect light companion for a Mac user. Perhaps, I'm going to imagine a business aspect, the ability to use for presentations and demonstrations, easy and light to carry and you don't need to worry about your main computer. Yes pricey, but if you're a figurehead in a business and you have to present your work/ideas a lot, it might not be such a pricey investment (particularly, if your presentations/business position earns a good enough income).

It seems to be their area of market, it seems to me different macs are marketed towards different people.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2008 05:18
Quote: "but you'd never get me to buy a dell in a million years"


Why?

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Posted: 17th Jan 2008 05:30
User experience on other people's accounts (that I know, not net rumours/nitpicks) - also, hasn't Dell axed their XP compatibility? If I were to go Dell, I wouldn't want to be forced upon Vista. And based on that I'd much rather put my faith in another computer (like I have a lack in XBox 360s for a similar reason...the red rings of death and wouldn't buy that in a millions years unless a few 360 only games struck me), if I'm Windows I'd probably feel more contempt with a HP or something like that, if I'm going to want to use MacOS, well then a Mac. Having living a life of unreliable computers and many disagreements with Windows, I'm very picky and am not fond in the idea of switching to Vista as I and XP have not long been friends. (But that looks like an inevitability, unless I have the hassle of buying it and installing it)

I'd rather not disagree with technology for a while thanks, ideal situation for me, decent/reliable PC Laptop with decent security and a patched version of Vista (Or XP Sp2) and Mac desktop.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2008 11:32
Dell get bad press because of the sheer amount of volume they shift. You obviously will hear more complaints from a company that sells millions of computers compared to that shop down the road that is run by your mate Gary

Personally I've bought something like 10 PCs over the years and normally they were top spec and getting the highest reviews in all the magazines (probably spend a small fortune on mags each time). Pretty much all of them have had a serious fault at one time or another. I'm talking fans freezing up or motherboards melting and the like. One company (again, award winning smaller company with award winning top spec £2000 computer) even left one HD unplugged and a *pen* inside the chassis. Oh yeah.... My latest award winning top spec Mesh computer is starting to complain about the chip fan being stuffed. And it is. Popular cock up with the model apparently. I'm sure they design them to die in some way after a year or so. And how come when you get a new machine your old one starts to run like a snail when before you had no worries?...

Anyway, as it happens my 2.5 year old Dell laptop that I got from the Outlet (canx orders that can save a load if you watch like a hawk for the rare occurance of a freak mega cheap item) has had no worries.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2008 11:52
One good thing about Dell is that they offer on location service next day. As I'm buying it for my company that's worth a lot would it some day not boot up. No need to send it in, just call them and they come.

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The laptop is perfect for the business environment. People who carry a laptop constantly will really like how much lighter it is. Most laptops used in business don't need cdroms very often. If it does need one, this laptop will look for shared cd-roms on the network. They have a program you can install on Mac or Windows, and it will share your cd-rom through Apple's bonjour service. And since the laptop supports wireless N, then the speed should be sufficient.


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in term of heavy laptops, i don't mind getting a workout. carry heavy things to school always

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How would you notice if someone stole it?


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Posted: 19th Jan 2008 00:27 Edited at: 19th Jan 2008 00:29
I think you guys are way to critical of Apple to the point of extremity. Remember this laptop, it's not for gamers or developers; its for the average user.

For instance,
Quote: "Macbook air:
19.4mm x 325mm x 227mm
1.36kg

Dell XPS M1330:
38.7mm x 337mm x 248mm
1.8kg

So for 19.3mm extra thickness and 440g more weight you can get a much higher spec laptop for a much smaller price Think I know what I'd choose..."


I see your point but take into consideration the two operating systems. I've had a Mac for about 2 years and not once has a single program froze or the whole machine hung up. I doubt any Windows user could say the same and yes, just for that I would pay an extra $300.


Any you know what? In 6 months, Dell, HP, or other Microsoft supported manufacturers will be making the exact same thing light weight laptop to run Vista and no one will be complaining.


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Posted: 19th Jan 2008 00:42 Edited at: 19th Jan 2008 00:43
A £2000 laptop for an average user? I know one person with a Mac, and they're a fairly hardcore user. If I was going to buy a laptop for gaming, I'd buy something else. If I was going to buy a laptop for web browsing, photos and typing letters I'd use something else. Sorry, I just don't understand how it can be for the "average" user at two grand. Just not worth it.

And my PC has hung twice, both while playing excessively modified Halo over LAN whilst no one else had the same modifications. Not really going to work, is it?

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Quote: "I've had a Mac for about 2 years and not once has a single program froze or the whole machine hung up."


Arguably though, the Mac has a much smaller scope of applications - and any way, both Windows and Mac users can mostly say that the OS itself rarely, if ever, hangs or freezes. Windows itself has never messed up for me, always due to the apps running that mess up - and since anyone and his dog develops for Windows these days, the larger the chance of a badly written app.

Quote: "Any you know what? In 6 months, Dell, HP, or other Microsoft supported manufacturers will be making the exact same thing light weight laptop to run Vista and no one will be complaining."


I think the implementation of the air is flawless - it's reasonably well spec'd, light, thin and has an SSD HD. The problem though, is the the price - a price that is likely vastly inflated beyond the actual manufacture cost


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Indeed, this seems like a really nice laptop, it's just far to expensive for what you get.

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well i think you pay for the privilege of getting such a laptop first, like I said, I can bet any money that Microsoft manufacturers will copy this in a few months...just like they did with every single brilliant Apple idea, for instance, I'm sure you're aware that Apple was the first computer to use a mouse? What did Microsoft do? Copy it of course. Not trying to start a Microsoft vs. Apple debate here, as the thread is specifically about the Macbook air but just had to make a point. Also, I understand $2000 for the average indie user is a lot but by average, maybe I should clarify, I mean average someone in a reasonable place in their career who has some extra money to spend. For instance, a owner of a small business.

Also, yes I completely agree that its usually the apps not the OS that freezes but thats just as bad and yes you are right that anyone can develop poorly written apps but that degrades the O which is why would not use windows when I can use Mac OSX that never has poorly written apps. Just for that, I'm willing to pay that extra $300 to $500.

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You're wrong about the mouse. It was invented by an engineer (Doug Engelbart) at Xerox PARC in '72. It was famously "stolen" by Steve Jobs when he toured the facility, along with the concept of a GUI.

What did Apple invent "brilliantly" as you say? The iPod? Not an original idea.


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Quote: "What did Microsoft do? Copy it of course"
Can't remember that happening at the time. A fair few apps were coming out that supported mice (Fleet street editor was a personal fave) and Windows was just one of them (bit like GEM). And yeah, everyone knew Xerox invented it.

Quote: "I can bet any money that Microsoft manufacturers will copy this in a few months"
Copy what? A laptop?...

Quote: "A £2000 laptop for an average user?"
It's $2000, which is about £1000. Of course if you buy it in the UK then it's £1200 ($2400), but hey, not as if we aren't used to that sort of thing...

Personally I would rather have compact and powerful than thin and extra light. Doesn't make much difference in weight when that small. And the footprint will still be similar to another 13" laptop. ie. a fair bit of space. It's a bit like those Samsung phones. Yeah, amazingly thin (heh, and yeah, rubbish functionality in comparison), but take up a fair amount of space (like the RAZR). I prefer the smaller phones that are fatter.

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The Macbook Air: Thin enough to fit in your wallet! And that's all there is going to be in there after you've bought one!

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Screw the Dell XPS, at least the macbook doesn't shock you with its metal casing! (article on slashdot yesterday)

It's amazing how many people will knock on an Apple product because of price when they will gladly spend $500 for a single gfx card. The laptop is only $1800, worth it if you ask me. The $3k model is too high though, I'd wait for solid-state prices to drop first, which I'm expecting them to do so in the 4th quarter this year. I paid $2500 for my 17" G4 powerbook years ago, and unlike your Dell laptops you may have bought 3-4 years ago, mine can still run the latest OS from the company.


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People in the computing industry 'copy' ideas a lot, it helps for the industry to be more innovative, though we are a bit up tight about patenting etc.

Microsoft have stolen from Apple, Microsoft paid Apple's debt off - Apple are a good company and come up with some good hardware and technology, stolen or not stolen. As does Microsoft, even if it's reputation is a lack stability, despite how true or untrue it is.

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What did Apple invent "brilliantly" as you say? The iPod? Not an original idea."


I think (remember I'm using the word 'think' here, so my statement might not be accurate) that Apple are guys responsible for Firewire and Wi-fi. The iPod, well it's not an invention, but their own version of the Mp3 player.


I see the main problem people have with the MacBook air is price, which is understandable, I wouldn't buy it unless I could afford it and find it useful. I think it'd be nice to have a light MacBook to carry with me for presentations and lectures, especially considering I walk everywhere, my laptop does put a strain on my shoulder with all my uni other stuff. At the same time as a student, it's lack of 'usefulness' is the price, it's £100 cheaper than a Mac Pro which are much more powerful.

So I imagine it's designed for business types, the kind that can splash out on something that's convenient...it might be a good thing to help present designs, ideas, business solutions and other things to do with work. I don't see the MacBook air being for anything casual.

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http://www.topix.com/forum/com/dell/T2JPINVP6TIPOBO0P

This was an interesting read. ^.^ I would never pay for an extended warranty or for "on site" service. Seriously, if you can't troubleshoot/fix your own computer, that's why god invented computer shops.

If you can repair your own computer, the cost of any faulty parts for any one of the components can easily be under the price of the warranty, and often times for what you spend you could have purchased second computer (think, 150 extended warranty plus 150 on site service).


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Quote: "Microsoft have stolen from Apple, Microsoft paid Apple's debt off"


Microsoft used to own part of Apple, or it was just Jobs himself that owned part of it (I forget). WMP came from stolen ideas when MS collaborated on QuickTime and MS suddenly left the project. But technically, it was iTunes and the iPod that got them out of debt.


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Posted: 19th Jan 2008 16:52 Edited at: 19th Jan 2008 16:55
Quote: "The laptop is only $1800, worth it if you ask me."


The fact I can get a much better spec'd machine with a larger screen for around £600 or £700, whereas the Air is £1,199. That pretty much ends the argument on why it's far too expensive


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Quote: "Quote: "The laptop is only $1800, worth it if you ask me."

The fact I can get a much better spec'd machine with a larger screen for around £600 or £700, whereas the Air is £1,199. That pretty much ends the argument on why it's far too expensive"


Yes, but the point is that its worth to pay the extra money not for the specs but for the OS and reliability of the machine (that's only my opinion of course).


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Quote: "Yes, but the point is that its worth to pay the extra money not for the specs but for the OS and reliability of the machine (that's only my opinion of course)."


You may say it's 'worth' it, but that does not actually equal the value of the machine. As with the iPods etc., I assume that the Mac Book Air is manufactured for a far far smaller cost than it retails for (iPods are costing Apple 50 or 60 dollars a go to manufacture last time I looked)

iPods are worth it, due to their feature superiority to a lot of MP3 players (in terms of cost to size ratio at least - 150 quid for 80 gig is pretty good if you ask me). The air though... why get something with an overinflated price that has absolutely no advantage over any other laptop in the world, besides the fact it's light and thin? Not exactly worth shredding your wallet for


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Posted: 19th Jan 2008 21:21 Edited at: 19th Jan 2008 21:23
I DO NOT spend 500 quid on a graphics card. You want to know how much the one I'm upgrading to soon costs? £37. It's a nVidia 7600GS, not spectacular, but good enough to play modern games on low settings. That's how I cannot justify more than £700 for a laptop.

And anyhow, run the latest OS? Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Using XP until the day it's useless.

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The day it was released! Zing...

Well not really, I've learned to like XP.

I suppose what it boils down is if the person buying it considers it to be worth it and if Apple's capable of selling enough, if they don't then they've not done their market research properly.

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