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Kentaree
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Posted: 23rd Jan 2008 23:09
EA has received quite a bashing the last few years, what with all the unoriginal sequels etc, but today they earned my respect. Video games seem to be a pet hate of the media nowadays, and in most cases wrongly, like this letter from EA to Fox News states.

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Posted: 23rd Jan 2008 23:23 Edited at: 23rd Jan 2008 23:24
The people who always argue against video games I can guarantee have an IQ below 100 and have never picked up a controller.

Like on the broadcast, that woman was harping on how bad Mass Effect was and the guy rightly said "Have you actually played on Mass Effect?"

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Posted: 23rd Jan 2008 23:32
Quote: "As video games continue to take audiences away from television, we expect to see more TV news stories warning parents about the corrupting influence of interactive entertainment. But this represents a new level of recklessness."

Spot on.


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Posted: 23rd Jan 2008 23:36
Ooh, on a slight tangent, anyone see the articles about people getting hurt playing the Wii, because they use it too long or too enthusiastically? Strange that no one complains about muscle pains after playing sports too...

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Posted: 23rd Jan 2008 23:38
People who don't game, blame everything on games. Same as with Jazz, Rock and stuff like that. That generation will go extinct.


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Posted: 23rd Jan 2008 23:41
And with games turning players into killing machines, we can help the process along a bit

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Posted: 23rd Jan 2008 23:43
Eeeex-actly!


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Posted: 23rd Jan 2008 23:57
Well I think nobody can laugh at Jeku for working at EA now but instead kiss the ground he works on, because he works for a company that officially rules in my book. For one thing it expresses clearly the inaccuracy such news media are responsible for and it would be nice for it to be made an example of - though it wasn't a legal threat. (more kudos to the guys, they're not suing people, even if it is a media station I dislike - before (like last time I said anything bad about Fox) anyone tries to counter my fox view, and wants to discuss 'why I dislike them' then my email is attached to my profile)

Good luck on EA on getting things rectified, show the mass media who's boss.

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Posted: 24th Jan 2008 00:09
I have got to be honest... the letter sounded a bit weak to me. I agree with it but I think the last bit "This isn't a legal threat; it's an appeal to your sense of fairness" sounds like they are rolling over like a puppy. There is a good chance Fox will just laugh at it and do nothing.
If it were me I would have made a more official complaint to them saying that their factual inaccuracies were damaging to their reputation and sales and if something wasn't done then the matter would be taken further, e.g. either legally or to their ombudsman. In the UK we have Ofcom who deal with fairness in the media and have the power to issue huge fines when necessary. I would expect the US have a similar system (the FCC?).

Still, its good advertising for the game


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Posted: 24th Jan 2008 01:36
Quote: "I have got to be honest... the letter sounded a bit weak to me. I agree with it but I think the last bit "This isn't a legal threat; it's an appeal to your sense of fairness" sounds like they are rolling over like a puppy. There is a good chance Fox will just laugh at it and do nothing."


Well, we'll just see what Fox's reaction is, first. That newscast angered me as much as any other warm-blooded gamer, so it's nice to see an official rebuttal of sorts.


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Posted: 24th Jan 2008 01:56
I must be cold-blooded... I just thought "*sigh*. At least they'll be extinct in twenty years".


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Posted: 24th Jan 2008 02:14
Who will be extinct? EA? Why do you say that?


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I feel sorry for you guys having to watch that kind of news program, 90% of it is totally biased and untrue.

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Posted: 24th Jan 2008 02:53
No, I mean the people that don't understand or are biased towards games, Jeku . I don't think EA is going down anytime soon.


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Um what? Did EA even watch the segment? They had the guy from SpikeTV on there as a videogame "expert" who basically refuted everything EA did.

Besides, I think they deserve everything they get by promoting the whole ordeal. Has no one played God of War? That game was far worse in terms of sexual content. And guess what? No one cared because the God of War developers and Sony didn't go around marketing the sexual content of the game.
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Posted: 24th Jan 2008 05:36 Edited at: 24th Jan 2008 05:48
I never once saw an ad for Mass Effect that said "Buy this game, you get to have sex!" in fact, I did not even know you could do that until I got to that point in the game.

I agree with EA in their decision. Also that "psychologist" was full of it, when Geoff asked if they played the game she had the nerve to laugh a no and continue bashing it. I say someone should have slapped her. She also claimed that children play more games than adults...complete lie, its the complete opposite, the average age of the gamer is like 25 or 30. Their "panel" was also full of morons.

Seriously, I tried to email fox to tear them a new one, but for some reason I can not find a contact email for that show moron filled show.

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Posted: 24th Jan 2008 05:53 Edited at: 24th Jan 2008 05:53
Quote: "Who will be extinct? EA? Why do you say that?"

Well when they release their 20th slightly rehashed sports game (of any series) people will eventually get bored and turn to better game developers such as Activision Blizzard.

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There was a guy on CNN a few weeks ago ranting about Manhunt 2, saying "I don't care if this game is meant for 30-year olds... do you want your 30 year old neighbor playing a game like this? Doesn't that mean he must be psycho?" You know, Travis Bickle had the right idea, we should all shoot our televisions.

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Posted: 24th Jan 2008 08:21 Edited at: 24th Jan 2008 08:21
Quote: "Um what? Did EA even watch the segment? They had the guy from SpikeTV on there as a videogame "expert" who basically refuted everything EA did."

Oh, yeah, your stuff gets dissed by FOX and because some dude from SpikeTV says its not true in the same show makes it a lot better. Yeah. Sure.

God of War was an amazing game, if you ask me, and correctly marketed and rated. And a totally unrelated topic in the case 'Mass Effect' gets dissed by stupids.


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Quote: "Um what? Did EA even watch the segment? They had the guy from SpikeTV on there as a videogame "expert" who basically refuted everything EA did."


I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Please explain what you mean, as I'm a little bit confused. The SpikeTV dude had only a few minutes of interrupted dialogue to defend the game-- hardly fair.

Quote: "Besides, I think they deserve everything they get by promoting the whole ordeal."


Huh? They advertised the sex in the game? Um, no.

Quote: "Well when they release their 20th slightly rehashed sports game (of any series) people will eventually get bored and turn to better game developers such as Activision Blizzard."


Not even going to comment as you're obviously lonely and trying to start a flame war.


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I get Google alerts for "Keighley", the closest town to me. The guy's name is Geoff Keighley, so I got this news too. You wouldn't believe how much airtime this has got, my inbox is heaving with news alerts.
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Quote: "Not even going to comment as you're obviously lonely and trying to start a flame war."

It was a joke, don't cry. I like EA really, they've done some good games.

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Posted: 24th Jan 2008 14:26 Edited at: 24th Jan 2008 14:36
The "Professional Psychologist" who allegedly analysed this game, and then revealed she has never played it, has a book out. The Amazon customer fedback for this book has taken quite a hit in the last couple of days - by people who admit they've never read it but feel qualified to comment onit

http://www.amazon.com/review/product/1599211793/ref=cm_cr_pr_recent?%5Fencoding=UTF8&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
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Noo..
http://www.amazon.com/review/product/1599211793/ref=cm_cr_pr_recent?%5Fencoding=UTF8&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
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Wait, WTF? It didn't work...

I put the href boxes and everything...

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Owned!


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Who really cares what Fox News says, they have the status equivalent of a tabloid now. When they actually effect something then people will tear them down like the scum they are...

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When they said full on nudity I said thats your problem with your report. When she said she researched Mass Effect on the internet and then came to the conclusion its not good enough for kids, well when I got to a sex scene it was very non-graphic thing I seen. Like Krilik said God of War and also Conan had more boobs and nudity then Mass Effect. Also when that "Psychologist" Said about it making woman objects to them its so untrue, because she may be a psychologist but as she is a woman she doesn't think as a man so she expects every man to be a slob hence the "making woman a object". But also why didn't they listen to the gamer there? She seemed to stop it when he started making huge valid points.

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It's called the fight-or-flight response, television loses more and more of its audiance to games each year and their left with the choice to fight (bash games every chance they get) or flight (run for the hills screaming).

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Quote: "I never once saw an ad for Mass Effect that said "Buy this game, you get to have sex!" in fact, I did not even know you could do that until I got to that point in the game. "


You also didn't see one that says "Don't buy this game because there is sex in it." So what's your point? Neither BioWare nor EA cared when the lesbian alien sex scene was all the buzz on the internet before the release of their game. In fact, I remember watching an interview on Gametrailers with some guy who I don't care to remember confirming the relationship and being proud of it.

Quote: "Oh, yeah, your stuff gets dissed by FOX and because some dude from SpikeTV says its not true in the same show makes it a lot better. Yeah. Sure.

God of War was an amazing game, if you ask me, and correctly marketed and rated. And a totally unrelated topic in the case 'Mass Effect' gets dissed by stupids."


So EA sending a letter to Fox news saying the exact same thing that was AIRED ON THEIR SHOW fixes it? What are they going to do? Repeat the guy from SpikeTV again, maybe two or three times. He addressed the nudity issue by saying it doesn't show full nudity and only side shots (just like EA), and even goes in so far as to establish the relationship and choices that are required to reach that point in the game (like EA). The "correction" has already been made. Even though there was nothing to correct. The game contains full nudity in its definition. People are being retarded about it because a popular game is being criticized again.

God of War has everything to do with this. Its the prime example of how to market and make a game the way that you want to without getting people on you for it. EA should be taking notes.

Quote: "I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Please explain what you mean, as I'm a little bit confused. The SpikeTV dude had only a few minutes of interrupted dialogue to defend the game-- hardly fair."


Right... Here we go. FOX is biased and unbalanced because this is the internet. I don't cater to "listen to me I'm left and liberal" opinions. If you want to add up the times: the newscaster introduced the topic, the guests, and asked her questions in a little less than 2 minutes. Cooper Lawrence talked for about 1 minute total, and Geoff Keighly also amazingly talked for about 1 minute total. Hardly fair.

Quote: "Huh? They advertised the sex in the game? Um, no."


Don't put words in my mouth. They had no problem with the buzz they were getting by putting it in the game.
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@Krlik your post is kinda against the AUP as it says don't post anything which will start a argument.

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Not which will start an argument, only things in which its for the sake of arguing. That's my opinion about EA and the issue. I didn't provoke anyone when I replied to the thread, so I don't see how I'm arguing for the sake of it.

Starting a political debate maybe. I was aware of that. But I posted it anyway to get the whole Fox news being unfair or fair out of the way. I don't want to aruge about it, so I'm not going to listen to it. This is about whether or not they made a mistake, and I don't take it out of context just because of a general consensus about where it came from.
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Quote: "I don't cater to "listen to me I'm left and liberal" opinions."


What are you trying to prove? I'm hardly a liberal either

I believe EA's largest gripe is with the second part of the show with the "roundtable" where there is absolutely no debate going on. The people there are largely clueless about videogames, even to the point of talking about Pacman, and there is no video game mouthpiece. Sure, we can get a bunch of folks to talk about how much they hate rap music, and say it's the bane of evilness in the world, but if we don't know anything about rap, and we have no rap advocate, is that fair?

Quote: "Don't put words in my mouth. They had no problem with the buzz they were getting by putting it in the game."


Wow, somebody is getting just a little too defensive here. My post was HONEST. I was honestly wondering what you were on about. Now I know, and your opinion is noted. Don't have to get all testy.


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Quote: "we can get a bunch of folks to talk about how much they hate rap music, and say it's the bane of evilness in the world"

A little known fact is that RAP stands for Rhythm and Poetry.


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Totally disagree with Krilik here. Yes, the media are biased against games and to deny it would actually be... odd. You're acting as if EA should've banned the game and pasting sticker "OMG THIS HAS SEX DON'T BUY IT". That's not their task, it's the rating boards.

Yeah, sure, Krilik. Multimillion dollar company gets slandered and don't issue a formal note? Jeez, wake up. Of course they do. You would if it was about something you made.


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Quote: "You also didn't see one that says "Don't buy this game because there is sex in it.""


A direct quote from the back of the box

"Rated M for Mature, 17+
Blood
Language
Partial Nudity
Sexual Themes

Violence"

Also I really like EA, don't know where I'd be without C&C3 and countless other titles...

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Orange box, to mention another? Although they just did distribution...

But EA is a great company, although they do make some mediocre games in my opinion (anything sports and movie related really). Clearly FOX is at fault here, and not enough effort was given in EA's defense. Good for them!

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Quote: "Right... Here we go. FOX is biased and unbalanced because this is the internet. I don't cater to "listen to me I'm left and liberal" opinions."

So you'd rather get right-wing propoganda crammed in your face? If you honestly think Faux (not a typo, that's what I've called them for years now) isn't the most biased source of news, like, in the entire world, then you're brainwashed. Just because they favor the people you like doesn't mean they aren't extremely bias, and it most certainly doesn't mean they're ever right. And seriously, I'd call anyone on TGC liberal before I said that about Jeku, back in the day before the AUP was as strict about politics as it is now, he and I debated *a lot* about political stuff.

We're making a game right now with full frontal nudity, and in multiple scenes, too, plus a sex scene. I dare Faux to mess with us about it. Seriously, I'm not kidding, imagine the free publicity .

But on a more serious note, Fox, CNN, and other media sources are all attacking every game they can get their hands on. But I don't think the ratings for news networks are falling because of video games... it's because they don't report real news anymore. Every news story is an op-ed! What's real news:

1. A man was shot in Denver today... isn't that sad?

or

2. A man was shot in Denver today. In other news...

Seriously, I *don't care* how newscasters or their editors feel about *anything*. Their job is to tell me what happened in the world, not tell me how I should feel about a subject. News media has been dead for twenty years.

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I'd even go as far to say many many news stations are biased, at least when it comes to video games. Hence why I use the internet more than anything else.

Quote: "We're making a game right now with full frontal nudity, and in multiple scenes, too, plus a sex scene. I dare Faux to mess with us about it. Seriously, I'm not kidding, imagine the free publicity"


We're already considering adding several "adult" sections to our games. I suspect page hits rising ten-fold.

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Quote: "If you honestly think Faux (not a typo, that's what I've called them for years now)"


Good lord you're clever. I really thought it was a typo at first. I mean misspelling it to make a thinly-veiled point? You need to be slapped hard.

Quote: "you're brainwashed"


If only everyone was as enlightened as you . I love when people pull the "wake up people" and "you're brainwashed" card.

I saw the report, I have yet to find where it says "Full frontal nudity." It says full digital nudity, which is correct, it is fully digital (ie no analog systems were at work to give you your much needed blue-boob). Typical media-spin to get coverage and by Grapthar's Hammer, its working. It's not those derned southern conservatives, its those derned capitalist journalists trying to get an extra buck. They win!

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Quote: "What are you trying to prove? I'm hardly a liberal either"


It was directed to anyone who wanted to "disprove" my opinion by brining up the "fairness" of Fox news. And reading further down, I did a pretty good job of predicting the future.

Quote: "I believe EA's largest gripe is with the second part of the show with the "roundtable" where there is absolutely no debate going on. The people there are largely clueless about videogames, even to the point of talking about Pacman, and there is no video game mouthpiece. Sure, we can get a bunch of folks to talk about how much they hate rap music, and say it's the bane of evilness in the world, but if we don't know anything about rap, and we have no rap advocate, is that fair? "


Honestly? Tough. Fox news is privately owned and doesn't have an obligation to provide people conflicting opinions. Just as much as EA doesn't have an obligation to make sure the people who play their games recieve differing messages revolving around the subject of their games.

Quote: "Totally disagree with Krilik here. Yes, the media are biased against games and to deny it would actually be... odd. You're acting as if EA should've banned the game and pasting sticker "OMG THIS HAS SEX DON'T BUY IT". That's not their task, it's the rating boards.

Yeah, sure, Krilik. Multimillion dollar company gets slandered and don't issue a formal note? Jeez, wake up. Of course they do. You would if it was about something you made."


No, I'm acting as if EA should suck it up and deal with the consequences of their actions. How hard is this to understand? Honestly, with all the problems with games being accused of these days any reasonable person could come to the conclusion that adding a sexual encounter in your game is going to have people raising their eyebrows. Denying that is odd. Making a fuss about it, is just play dumb.

Maybe, if it was slander. Slander is committed towards a person or entity based on false statements. The game Mass Effect is not a person or entity in law. Nor were the statements made false.

The closest thing to being false that was said was "graphic sex". But even that is reduced to opinion based on personal experience.

Quote: "A direct quote from the back of the box"


That's not an ad, and that is not EAs words.

Quote: "So you'd rather get right-wing propoganda crammed in your face?"


Its called freewill. You do realise that people spend more time on the Internet than watching television right? In fact, I spend more time on the Internet reading posts like yours, instead of watching Fox news. If anything people like you brainwash people into thinking Fox news is brainwashing people. Its just as stupid, and arbitrary.
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Quote: "Honestly, with all the problems with games being accused of these days any reasonable person could come to the conclusion that adding a sexual encounter in your game is going to have people raising their eyebrows."


But I still honestly do not see why the sex in Mass Effect (all 1 minute of it in a 30-hour game) is any more a big deal than the graphic explicit sex on late night TV. The game is rated Mature, for 17+, so yes I believe it to be "unfair" to make it an issue.

The Witcher has several sex scenes with full on nudity, and I haven't heard about this yet.

I can name dozens of video games that have nudity and/or sex in them. Mass Effect is getting big publicity right now, and that's most likely the only reason the news companies are singling it out.


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Just for those who haven't played the game and wonder what this argument is actually all about.

Most Graphic Possible Scene out of 6

Oh and if you're wondering, the scene in it's entirety take 50seconds (this one being the longest!) basically right before the last fight of the game happens.

If you're great at the game, rushing and on your 2nd or more play through with your old characters you can get to it in just over 5hours.. otherwise you're looking at 15-25hours depending on how many side missions you do if any.

Something also to note is throughout the game you get several very difficult choices to make about important characters that either live or die, often with you dealing out the execution; but in everyone one of these cases you never actually see the inccident happen or the body afterwards except for the start one that always happens and part of the story; even then it is just the body.

On the whole the Mass Effect story quite frankly has far better taste and quality than most modern movies, and my god have FOX been calling kettle black.

Mass Effect's story presentation and quality would earn it a place on the Hallmark Channel, or ABC1. Quite frankly this is all just as ridiculous as McDonalds UK CEO saying the reason kids are fat are because of Video Games... obviously not the 600-odd calorie Happy Meals they've just wolfed down atleast two of.

Something to note here is the UK is quite well known for it's extremely strict ratings system BBFC. This system not only Banned Carmageddon but both Manhunt games until the developers changed aspects of them. Carmageddon was released with green blood and zombies, Manhunt 1 had the camera look away when graphics scenes happened and Manhunt 2 the screen is so blurry and weirdly coloured that quite frankly you might as well be attempting to retune your TV at the time and get a better picture.

So after those games you'd think a game like Mass "E-sexed" would obviously be some sorta 1nly game, right? I mean it's truely horrible.

WRONG. Here in the UK it was rated 12, not even 12A - which means that Adults must say "yay or nay" to their child buying it but 12.
Why? Simply because of what I mentioned above.

The game might have some scenes that could be offensive and not suitable for younger children sure, but frankly because of how tastefully it is all done. You'll often see more on TV Soaps, or on the front of newspapers like... oh I dunno the Fox-owned SUN and Daily Sport perhaps?

It is one thing to bash a game for things truely wrong. They can truely ripp GTA apart for all I care, because Rockstar quite frankly threw out their good taste book years ago. That said tbh, they do have age rating on them.

If your kid is playing it then it's the retailer who is accountable. Here in the UK if a retailer sells a game to underage people who can't provide ID or know a parent is buying for a kid who is underage they can get upto a £5000 fine; both parent and retail clerk!

Frankly no one bloody does it because it's not worth not only loosing a minimum wage job over but also getting a fine larger than a most of their yearly wages! (given most are part-time staff)

Oh not only is it a 12 but the back also notes and I quote:
"Contains moderate violence and one moderate sex scene"

Now again bare in mind that this is in a country where you can NOT purchase hardcore porn in the shops, nor can you show anything beyond softcore porn on television no matter the water shed.

So seriously, you're going to tell me and I'm talking to you Kilik cause frankly you are the only muppet I've seen arguing EA had this comming when frankly the sex scene was only ever RUMOURED... if EA had said "Yeah, sure it's in there" they would've been endorsing it, if they'd said "Nope, nothing like that in there" they would've been torn apart lying. You know what EA said?

BUGGER ALL, niether did Bioware themselves. They hinted at the fact that you could finally have a relationship; but no full blown. "Yeah you can totally do aliens/lesbians/gays/anything" like people (and I mostly mean you and several other bloggers who seemed to believe this the case) believe they did.

How about this Kilik, get off your arse.. sell that worthless PS3 you have and grab a 360 and a copy of Mass Effect. If you can honestly sit there and keep coming out with the crap you are coming out with after actually playing the game, then apart from me coming to the understanding you obviously have some degenerative retardation; I guess your opinions might hold a tad more weight.

In-fact I'd actually also suggest you checkout reviews of Mass Effect because many many many reviewers seemed to agree that really there just wasn't enough of the getting it on in there. Perhaps that is comming from sex starved gamers but even still I firmly believe the evidence against the crap spouted by what claim to be a fair & unbiased newstation; is just crap.

You can forgive a blogger for coming out with non-factual crap, as that's an opinion. A newstation however is liable to report the FACTs of a situation.

Then again as I said, I doubt this has anything to do with your political stance and more about the whole Sony vs Microsoft deal; otherwise why bring up God of War. Well guess what, Grand Theft Auto 3 (all of them) were released on Sony consoles first; some have no alternative platform version and they have been in the media since release for violence, gang-rated crime, stereotyping, HOT COFFEE, etc..

To say Sony have the right idea about things is just plain old crap.

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Quote: "No, I'm acting as if EA should suck it up and deal with the consequences of their actions. How hard is this to understand? Honestly, with all the problems with games being accused of these days any reasonable person could come to the conclusion that adding a sexual encounter in your game is going to have people raising their eyebrows. Denying that is odd. Making a fuss about it, is just play dumb.
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Raising eyebrows is ok, talking absolute rubbish about it, and making it worse than it really is isn't. What the hell is the problem with sexual scenes in an industry that's dominated by depicting of violence? You can kill and maim people in games and movies and it's alright, but show any bit of sex and there's uproar. In my opinion that's worrying, (nearly) everybody has sex at some stage during their life, most people don't go around killing people, so what is the issue?

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Posted: 25th Jan 2008 13:31
Back to Matt vs Fox vs Media, I think you'll find a vast number of media stations/source are biased to a political view - some stations are worse than others for it - Fox definitely has the reputation for being one of the worst. Our newspapers are the same over here, in the modern world it is difficult to come across decent unbiased news, heck it's difficult to come across honest news - the news try to portray people in a negative way and one way they do it is to bend the truth and with Newspapers like 'The Sun' actually go as far as making it up (and it seems fox are guilty of that with EA).

We had this discussion before and it seems to me, yes fox is a part of the big corporate media we come to distrust, as with most others, yes it may be pretty bad but from what I gathered from our last discussion on this, Fox is America's only national (well it's really international) left wing media station. It'd be a little unfair to only have right wing biased media, even if a lot of us do frown upon the shenanigans of Fox.

Me, there's very few news sources I trust, there are some good ones on the internet (BBC news online is one place where I check my news) and I don't ever read 'evil teenagers' or 'outrageous computer game'.

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I stand with Raven, for one of the first times in my lives.

Everything like this is "okay" on prime time TV, but as soon as it's in a game it's lifealtering for children. And because EA made it, they can't complain if they are slandered (for lack of a better word, mind you) or something.

They had it coming because the media is biased, but they shouldn't have, and thus they write a letter. A great, friendly sounding letter without all the legal threats. I think its awesome of EA and among the better actions in videogameland.


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Quote: "FOX been calling kettle black."


No primetime station would be caught dead showing that much buttocks, unless theres some alien loophole (double entendre ftw).

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Quote: "In my opinion that's worrying, (nearly) everybody has sex at some stage during their life, most people don't go around killing people, so what is the issue?"


You forgot that this is GAMER's we're talking about... Much more likely to kill people than ever have sex

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Posted: 25th Jan 2008 16:42
haha, surely then if gamers can't get sex, they should be allowed the next best thing? I mean it's cheaper than running up bills on their Mum's credit card for naughty websites.

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