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Hlinzi
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Posted: 31st Jan 2008 16:07 Edited at: 31st Jan 2008 16:10
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Hello i bought The 3D Game maker and i made 2 Games in like an hour! imagine... They arent very good but they're fun :p

-Hlinzi

Edit: If you dont think T3DGM is good or you have negative comments please do not post them here..

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Posted: 31st Jan 2008 18:16
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Completely disregarding your last statement, as I don't think you have the right to say what gets posted in your thread:

So despite the fact that basically all of the feedback you got in you other T3DGM thread was negative, you still went out and bought it? The 3D gamemaker is possibly the worst product that TGC have made, FPSC and DB/DBP being infinitely better and much more proffesional, they would have been a better choice. If you want to sell anything you'll need a license as well.
Seriously, trad it in and get FPSC or something.


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Posted: 31st Jan 2008 21:07 Edited at: 31st Jan 2008 21:08
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Quote: "Edit: If you dont think T3DGM is good or you have negative comments please do not post them here.. "


Who do you expect to post? Anyone who is interested im making games worth selling wouldn't even touch T3DGM and as far as I know they are not much fun. But if your not planing to sell them and are entertained by them they have fun


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Quote: "Hello i bought The 3D Game maker and i made 2 Games in like an hour! imagine... They arent very good but they're fun :p"

Yeah but in your OTHER thread everyone was telling you NOT to buy T3DGM.
As INH said trade it in and get FPS Creator


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Listen... You're attitude is totally classic. When somebody is new to making games, they get overhyped while at the same time either buying something too advanced or too easy. You really need to buy somehting better or you will get nowhere in game design. Seriously.
And I am disregarding the dont post negative comments thing because you deserve it.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2008 22:34 Edited at: 31st Jan 2008 22:36
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@ Zeke games
Quote: "And I am disregarding the dont post negative comments thing because you deserve it."


Arn't we all.

@ Hlinzi
BTW I was wondering, you made three threads asking if T3DGM was good, we told you no and you go and buy it anyway. Whats the point?


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Let's throw all sublety out of the window here.


The 3D Game Maker is absolutely awful, and DBP and FPSC are mcuh mcuh better. So buy them instead. YES.


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Quote: "The 3D Game Maker is absolutely awful, and DBP and FPSC are mcuh mcuh better. So buy them instead. YES."


I concur

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Well, programming is not for everyone. In the end I guess what matters for most is that you had fun making whatever game you were trying to make. If the 3DGM does that for him, cool. TGC made another sale. It's not for most here because most here use more advanced stuff, but being so judgemental is just adding to the negativity that plagues the indie community in general.


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Posted: 1st Feb 2008 01:41 Edited at: 1st Feb 2008 01:42
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"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance."

Glad you're enjoying 3DGM! Just don't get delusional and think you can start doing things you really can't.

e.g Making real games

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Posted: 1st Feb 2008 01:46 Edited at: 1st Feb 2008 01:46
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Quote: "e.g Making real games
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And just when I though you were actually making an actually supportive and helpful post for once! Well, I guess I was just expecting to much

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That was a pretty supportive post, for those reading between the lines.

Most of us started out wanting to make quick easy games with quick easy gimmicks. Nothing wrong with starting that way.

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ok fair enough, the first 2 lines were very supportive, just the 'make real games' was not so much...

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You guys are all right, T3DGM is not gonna be making the next blockbuster, but then let's put Hlinzi's game beside all the games you guys have made and list how long it took to make them so we can compare, sound fair?

The last game I made took about 2 months solid work, like probably 250 hours, then add on 3 years learning the skills to do it.

Sorry if I somehow sound defensive about it, I'm just going by how much fun my son had with it, and how much fun Hlinzi's having with it, I just think that people take it too seriously. It should be considered an educational tool for the very basics of game design, have fun with it and come up with some ideas for games you'd like to make in the future, when you move onto more powerful systems like DBPro.


less is more, but if less is more how you keeping score?
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Thanks for the post Van B
The only post in this thread that actually makes a point.
Aikicat was kind of supportive to.
I am very new in making games, i used to use Game Maker by Yoyogames. Now i can make 3D Games And they're really fun... i just made a new game and it took me 10minutes seriously it is fun.
10 Minutes to make a fun 3D games. And yeah. Please do not post any negative post here . Yes i did make a thread to know if T3DGM is good or not. I Bought it because i wanted to create 3D Games which i have never done before.

Thanks -Hlinzi

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You should start with 2d games though...

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Zeke i made 2D Games in Game Maker

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Ah 3DGM isn't that bad when you just want to be a little bit creative and have some fun rather than going hardcore into game making. I've used it and found it was terrible for my needs, but those making the earlier posts, come on now don't be so daft, just because it's simple and very restrictive about making games doesn't make it crap - I mean there are number of C++ users that say that about DBP and FPSC, but a program is good when it fulfill its use and if people want to make simple games for creativity and not professionalism or even learning to script or program, then T3dgm fulfills that use.

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Quote: "Please do not post any negative post here "


Well then, maybe you should move to happy land where everyone runs around screaming "I'M HAPPY" with their hands over their ears so they can't hear anything negative and only wish to hear their own opinions.

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HAHA I wouldnt listen to most of the people who are having a go at you for getting 3DGM, you have finished 2 games already...and while people will say yeah they suck you can reply better to have 2 games that suck than the best game in the world that you haven't made yet

To be honest 3dgm is quite nice little product for slapping some fun little games together, I mean there are not that many games made in DBPro at the minute that are graphically superior (yes i know there are a few but the majority are just the same or a bit worse than) 3PSC games have also all started looking the same so I say keep hacking away at it till you are cranking out some decent projects and when you feel your skills are beyond the tool upgrade to DBPro (dont get FPSC unless you intend to create first person shooters)

Heh most of the people who said 3dgc was bad don't even own it so have no basis to criticize (demos don't count as there is more to a full product) some who say you cant make good games have never finished a project when you already have 2 done.

Just have some fun with it, take it as far as you can then move up.....don't let the coder brigade bring you down

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Quote: "don't let the coder brigade bring you down"


More like the rabbling coder mob :/

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Venge do you even know what negative is?, its not when people say its not good, its when people say it SUCKS or DONT BUY IT! or something like that.

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Well then, maybe you should move to happy land where everyone runs around screaming "I'M HAPPY" with their hands over their ears so they can't hear anything negative and only wish to hear their own opinions.
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Quote: "Venge do you even know what negative is?, its not when people say its not good, its when people say it SUCKS or DONT BUY IT! or something like that.
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Hmmmm. When do you scream "I'M HAPPY"?


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The 3D Game Maker is fine if you like to create very simple games for your 5-6 year old children or family members to play. For other actions you could use it, however it's not the best thing made for ages above 6-7.

Nice to hear you like it though, not my favourite program though.

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Geez guys, 3DGM is aimed at kids, didn't the giant obtrusive GUI give it away? Plus the fact it has a giant green button to start. It's aimed at kids and kids will have fun with it, of course it's no good for serious games.

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Well everyone always bashes Yoyo Games' GameMaker and TGC's 3DGM for being technically simple, but what everyone seems to forget is there's more to game-making then the technicalities.

You can have the best software at your disposal, but if you don't know how to make a game fun, or if you have crappy level designs (Just search Youtube for Super Mario World hacks ), or if your game is unintuitive, or has over-the-top difficulty, etc... Then your game will stink out loud.

You can easily learn game design using the more simple software, so that when you do graduate to an actual programming language, you already have the "art" of game making down and you can proceed to make something spectacular.
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Quote: "The only post in this thread that actually makes a point."


Felt I just had to nitpick here: The other posts were making a point too, just the opposite point.


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Quote: "The only post in this thread that actually makes a point."

Wow, that made it totally worth typing my response


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That wasn't fair to cash


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Who said game maker was simple? Most people use entirely their own content and coding... it's just a different coding language is all. (I understand if you mean Drag + drop, though)

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I can't believe everyone is bashing Hlinzi for making his own choice on what product he wants to buy.

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He asked for our opinions sometime back. He ignored them.


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After reading this, I'm mad at Hlinzi for how he acts towards the other posters. Good for him if he's having fun with 3DGM, but telling people not to post negative comments (which is literally the opposite of positive comments), and then even getting mad when someone gives him a better definition of negative and positive than his... I don't care what the topic is, Hlinzi is rude. Especially that he bought 3DGM after asking everyone if he should buy it, getting pretty much ALL no's for answers, and the buying it anyways WITH THE EXCUSE THAT HE WANTED TO MAKE 3D GAMES.
Quote: "Yes i did make a thread to know if T3DGM is good or not. I Bought it because i wanted to create 3D Games which i have never done before."

I don't mind him buying it, but after getting as much feedback as he could and then going against all of it, his only excuse makes less than no sense. EVERY ALTERNATIVE SUGESTED MAKES 3D GAMES. If his reasons had been after all the feedback he'd decided he was more interested in quick easy game making rather than just 3D game making, I'd be a little less mad.

I have little against 3DGM, as long as it stays out of the wip for the most part.


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I am considering buying something like 3DGM just because I have never finished a 3D project!
There's so much work involved to make something professional that I lose interest. I want to see the whole development process and complete a decent game in less than a year.
1 hour may be a little too speedy though
I have made a couple of 2D games but I really feel like I need to move into 3D now.
It might be kinda fun to have something like 3DGM to throw ideas around with and then make the final project with DB.

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Why not get fpsc. As stated previously, 3dgm is very restrictive. No good for something to throw together.


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Quote: "Why not get fpsc. As stated previously, 3dgm is very restrictive. No good for something to throw together."

The scripting language allows for more flexibility.


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Moving into 3d is better done by fpsc than 3dgm.

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ugh!!, 3d Gamemaker.

Hlinzi, I hope you have fun with this
GameMaker. And it will encourage and lead you on towards programming languages.

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FPSC is for First Person Shooters....what if he wants to make a racing game? then he would be screwed.

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Not if it was a footrace

with hurdles even!

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Quote: "After reading this, I'm mad at Hlinzi for how he acts towards the other posters. Good for him if he's having fun with 3DGM, but telling people not to post negative comments (which is literally the opposite of positive comments), and then even getting mad when someone gives him a better definition of negative and positive than his... I don't care what the topic is, Hlinzi is rude. Especially that he bought 3DGM after asking everyone if he should buy it, getting pretty much ALL no's for answers, and the buying it anyways WITH THE EXCUSE THAT HE WANTED TO MAKE 3D GAMES."


Yes and I think this was a "In your face" thread.


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Quote: "FPSC is for First Person Shooters....what if he wants to make a racing game? then he would be screwed."


I thought there was scripting in fpsc... Is there no way to move an object (ie, car) using scripting?


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Didn't bother reading all the flame posts, but I just picked out a few choice quotes to comment on.

Quote: "Completely disregarding your last statement, as I don't think you have the right to say what gets posted in your thread"


Hmmm, I believe there is a rule somewhere that if the Thread Creator takes personal offense (personal offense, mind you) to a post, then they can request that a Mod take action and remove it.

Regardless of this board's title and description, you do NOT gain the right to flame someone about their beliefs. This is not an unmonitored board.

Quote: "The 3D Game Maker is absolutely awful, and DBP and FPSC are mcuh mcuh better. So buy them instead. YES."


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA, that kind of comment can ONLY come from someone who has little creativity. Disregarding the lack of shear power T3DGM has compared to DBP, it is in no way less efficient than FPSC. How many updates were given to T3DGM? How many were given to FPSC BEFORE IT BECAME USABLE TO MAKE A COMMERCIAL QUALITY GAME? IMHO, It still hasn't got enough updates to make a great game capable of competing with FPS's in today's market. Because that fact ALONE, T3DGM has as much right to be used as FPSC. I have as much respect for it as I do for FPSC, after all I consider FPSC a toy and nothing more, and neither is T3DGM.

For you to make a comment like above, is just silly and you should be flamed for your complete lack of knowledge in the matter and your biased attitude shown in this thread.

Quote: "I thought there was scripting in fpsc... Is there no way to move an object (ie, car) using scripting?"


Yes, you can. And through use of some already designed scripts from users, you can make a racing game... it'd be pretty crappy compared to a racing game made in an engine that wasn't DESIGNED for a specific genre of games, but it'd be a racing game nonetheless.

Actually, now tha tyou mention it, I bet T3DGM could make a better racing game than FPSC. God, don't even get me STARTED on the amount of people who come into the FPSC baords saying "Me wan vihiklez!!! Ju skript one now! Thx. "


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Quote: "For you to make a comment like above, is just silly and you should be flamed for your complete lack of knowledge in the matter and your biased attitude shown in this thread."

Yeh YOU can say that again.

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Quote: "Hmmm, I believe there is a rule somewhere that if the Thread Creator takes personal offense (personal offense, mind you) to a post, then they can request that a Mod take action and remove it.
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Really? 'Cuz if there is, that's twisted. Surely then the thread creator could form a thread into a way that correlated to his opinion, and his opinion only?

Quote: "Regardless of this board's title and description, you do NOT gain the right to flame someone about their beliefs. This is not an unmonitored board."


Hehe, you make 'beliefs' sound like a religion. I'm pretty sure there isn't a T3DGM followers. I would never consider flaming someone about their beliefs, and I'm pretty sure no one else here would either.


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This thread is getting too off topic... the actual conversation stopped like by the 10th post...

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Quote: "Hehe, you make 'beliefs' sound like a religion. I'm pretty sure there isn't a T3DGM followers. I would never consider flaming someone about their beliefs, and I'm pretty sure no one else here would either."


Quote: "be·lief /bɪˈlif/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[bi-leef] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.
2. confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.
3. confidence; faith; trust: a child's belief in his parents.
4. a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief. "


Make a note that 3 out of the 4 definitions of "belief" make no mention to religion. The way I phrased it meant only that he BELIEVES that T3DGM is great. And you were flaming him for it.

Quote: "Really? 'Cuz if there is, that's twisted. Surely then the thread creator could form a thread into a way that correlated to his opinion, and his opinion only?"


If your opinion does not agree with his and he doesn't take personal offense to it (unless you were seriously flaming him, I don't see how he could) you have a thread that does NOT tailor to his every opinion. So, the answer here is, no.


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Quote: "Make a note that 3 out of the 4 definitions of "belief" make no mention to religion. The way I phrased it meant only that he BELIEVES that T3DGM is great. And you were flaming him for it.
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I'm gonna try really really hard to resolve this in a calm and mature way.

Not that I only said 'You make it sound like' not 'You are saying'. I just happen to hear 'beliefs' used as a reference to religion more often than otherwise. And I was not flaming Hilnzi, I was 'flaming' T3DGM. We told him it sucks in the first thread, so we'll tell him slightly more forcefully in this thread too. I was not flaming him for believing it was great, I was trying to prod him in the right direction.

Quote: "If your opinion does not agree with his and he doesn't take personal offense to it (unless you were seriously flaming him, I don't see how he could) you have a thread that does NOT tailor to his every opinion. So, the answer here is, no."

That's OK then.


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Posted: 11th Feb 2008 01:53
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Although it's capabilities are far less powerful than that of DBP or other TGC products, some of the people here are simply not programmers and could benefit much more from a simple to use tool like 3DGM. Hlinzi sounds like one of those individuals.

A product is not measured by it's capabilities over another product, but it's usefulness under certain conditions. In the condition that someone can't program and doesn't WANT to program but wants to make games outside of a single genre, then it is a very GOOD product, IMHO.

I don't think someone should buy a piece of software simply because of someone else's opinions, whether they asked for it or not. It sounds to me like he/she made the right choice if they're having as much fun with it as they say they are.


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Posted: 11th Feb 2008 11:18
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Quite possibly, but then, I suspect after a little while the euphoria will pass.


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