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Green Gandalf
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Out of curiousity I followed the recent Google Ad for Registry Helper. It found about 250 registry "errors".

I know there are some apparently uncorrectable real errors - e.g. I can't open shaders with DarkShader by double-clicking (and, for about the last two weeks, shaders won't open with FX Composer correctly either - weird) and TGA files are associated with RenderMonkey (which won't open them of course ).

However, apart from these irritations, should I worry about the errors - and what is the simplest, safest, way of correcting them?

[Strangely, most of the "errors" seem to be connected with DBP related files or programs. I wonder why that is? ]
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well i've used CCleaner for a long time and had no real problems

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Yes it's worth it, and Yes you can trust them - I have one that runs every week (Tuneup Utilities) and I also use that every-so-often to rebuild the registry files and shrink their sizes.

They won't fix broken links though - those you'll have to do by hand using explorer (open a window, Tools->Folder options, File Types tab).

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Juno Vuori's Regcleaner is amazing, I've used it since 98, and it cleans perfectly .


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Posted: 2nd Feb 2008 21:01
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Quote: "They won't fix broken links though - those you'll have to do by hand using explorer (open a window, Tools->Folder options, File Types tab)."


That's my problem - that method won't work with TGA or FX files (or several others).

For example, when I follow your suggestion to fix TGA files I see the usual things as in the attached Zip file - I click on Browse to locate the DxTex.exe utility (which does normally open TGA files) I click it to select it (as in the second image in the Zip file) but Windows refuses to use it and defaults to Notepad (which is marginally more useful than RenderMonkey :0 ). I've no idea how to fix the association. If these various registry cleaners won't fix that sort of thing then they don't seem to be helping much.

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Posted: 3rd Feb 2008 01:52 Edited at: 3rd Feb 2008 01:54
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Interesting.

I asked whether you can trust the cleaners.

IanM says "Yes it's worth it, and Yes you can trust them"

Well, Registry Helper (as advertised by Google on this site) claims to have found 247 "errors".

RegCleaner as recommended by tha_rami claimed there were 593 "errors".

I decided to opt for RegCleaner (it didn't cost much) which now says it's cleaned the system and there are now no "errors".

Out of sheer curiousity again, I ran Registry Helper yet again. It now says there are 101 "errors". This seems to be progress of a sort.

So, who do you believe - and why?

And is the PC any faster, more efficient, etc?

Not as far as I can tell - and as I suggested earlier (as did IanM), the important registry errors are still not fixed.

In fact I have a new one (I guess it's a registry error but could be something else - how do you tell?) - I noticed that there is an "Advanced" button on the Windows Explorer Tools->Folder Options->File Types page. This did in fact allow me to change the association for TGA files (this was before the alleged registry cleanup) - but did it actually work? No. DxTex.exe refuses to open the file - see attached image. (TGA files open fine AFTER you open DxTex.exe - and always have.)

Anyone have any clear evidence of why we should pay real money for these Registry Cleaning programs?

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Posted: 3rd Feb 2008 01:57 Edited at: 3rd Feb 2008 01:58
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I would never pay for a registry cleaner. You got hosed

I doubt these errors are even occurring due to a registry issue. The issue is probably with your software, or your software requires certain flags when opening a file like that.


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I have Regestry Mechanic and it's really great. First scan it fixed about 300 problems and my page file usage went down 200megs. Nice tool, very nice.

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Posted: 3rd Feb 2008 02:14
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Quote: "I would never pay for a registry cleaner. You got hosed"


I'm sure you're right. Can you suggest a free one? And if you can, why would you trust it?

Quote: "The issue is probably with your software, or your software requires certain flags when opening a file like that."


Wrong. The "software" in question is part of the MicroSoft DirectX SDK and opens TGA files without problem on my laptop and work machines.
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Quote: "and my page file usage went down 200megs"


How did you find that out? (I guess it's too late for me to tell now, anyway? )

[Sorry for double post - just seen the later reply.]
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Posted: 3rd Feb 2008 02:43 Edited at: 3rd Feb 2008 02:48
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Spybot can scan and correct registry errors. Quite frankly. I've never felt the need. (and I don't trust the the "cleaners" won't make things worse. (Hurray for double negative!)) Maybe if it got bloated, I've never seen it. Usually other things go wrong long before the registry, requiring a reinstall.

And quite frankly, I doubt there'd be a correlation between the registry and the cache, unless the registry cleaning disabled services running in the background. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Who here can honestly say that a registry cleaning alone corrected issues they were having with windows, and provide proof (well, not screen shots per se, but plausible correlations).


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as i said earlier CClean one of the most recommended and it cleans out temp files etc aswell

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Registry errors are all bollocks.

According to PCMighty Max, I had about six thousand registry errors, and you know what happened to my computer's speed and performance when I cleaned them up?

Absolutely nothing...

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I'll add a second recommendation for CCleaner (crap cleaner). It does a great job, and I havent' had a problem with it yet, and it's updated frequently. And it's free

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Quote: "and I havent' had a problem with it yet, and it's updated frequently. And it's free"


So perhaps it isn't actually doing anything useful?

I notice no-one has yet provided evidence that these cleaners actually achieve anything.

I'm still waiting ...
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Yeah CCleaner is the best. Plus it actually does speed up your PC, compared to some of the other dodgy tune up utilities.
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I use Registry Booster 2, and it appears to work fine, it's never caused any problems.


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Juno Vuori's RegCleaner actually does fix things . Use the "Do Them All" function, which automaticly searches for broken, non-used and faulty keys. It can do a lot more advanced stuff too, and hey, it's free! On top, if there's enough errors, it can slightly speed up your PC, and through the Startup tab you can manage all programs booting on startup, which will also speed up your PC. You can also add and delete file associations and I dunno what more.

A more than worthy contenstant in the race for RegCleaners.


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I still say that they don't help.

According to my PCMighty Max diag, I had about four hundred errors.

So I fixed them all...

Scanned the computer again...

Seven hundred registry errors.

WTF

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I think the point is to make your registry more stable, not to speed up your system.


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Quote: "Juno Vuori's RegCleaner actually does fix things"


That is sad - I got hold of (and paid for) something called RegClean in the belief that it was RegCleaner.

The moral is: don't try to do anything important late in the evening after several cans of beer.

Guess what I'm going to try now ...
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Since it is freeware anyway:
RegCleaner
Do mind, if you remove normal registry entries, you could screw up your PC. Don't leave this open on the Desktop when others can get to it and accidently misuse it.


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I tried that link, but it seems to be nothing but advertising and misleading links to other software. Which is the download link to the correct software?
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Quote: "I notice no-one has yet provided evidence that these cleaners actually achieve anything."


I guess that would be hard to prove unless there actually was a problem that it fixes after running.

CCleaner, for example, provides a report with all registry "issues". Things like file extensions that are no longer used by your system, or uninstall paths that are left in the registry that old programs have left behind. It then removes these "issues". Are they a problem? Maybe, maybe not. But I say if it's junk that the system no longer needs, get rid of it. That's probably why it's called CCleaner (crap cleaner).

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Quote: "I use Registry Booster 2, and it appears to work fine, it's never caused any problems. "

That's what I've got, and my computer stopped killing itself after I regularly used it. I got the optimisation program they have too after a while and now games run a bit over twice as fast for me.

Quote: "I think the point is to make your registry more stable, not to speed up your system."

Yes.


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Quote: "Quote: "I think the point is to make your registry more stable, not to speed up your system."
Yes."


If an oil isn't going to lube up your engine, then why buy the oil?

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@noo8

your metaphor isn't correct.
it should be more like:

if lubing your engine isn't going to make it go faster, why lube.

the answer:

because if you don't lube your engine will blow up (or something like that)

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But if the registry errors are so ridiculously common anyway, and fixing them does nothing, then why pay money to fix them unless your system is in a bad state because of said errors?

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You quoted me already which has the answer to your question

Quote: "I think the point is to make your registry more stable, not to speed up your system."



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Yea, but what does that mean? Having a stable registry?

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Quote: "Yea, but what does that mean? Having a stable registry?"


Good question.

I've experimented with a few free versions of various cleaners and they just can't agree on what constitutes an "invalid entry".

I also eventually located a free version of Regcleaner (see tha_rami's posts) - but all it did was ask me whether or not I wanted to delete various registry entries. Since I have no idea what the consequences of deletion would be, I left them all.

The two cleaners that cheerfully deleted things they claimed were invalid have had no discernible affect on performance at all - unless they have in fact made my registry more stable in some subtle unnoticeable way . Which takes us straight back to
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n008's question.
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Regcleaner -> Extras -> Registry Cleanup -> Do Them All.

I think it was. Whatever it selects can be deleted, then click 'Done'. Don't hit "Delete" again, though...


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Which version have you got? Perhaps I've stumbled across an earlier one - the current ones are only for sale now.

I'll look at it again tomorrow in case I missed an option, thanks.
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All i know is that it cleaned the crap out of my pc. On task manager, under page file usage, it was down from the norm 800 to a nicer 600 ish. I guess It stopped all the unnecescary programs I had running in the backround, fixed memory issues, etc. I dont know what it did.
of course, dont trust my advice. The mumbo-jumbo it does is out of my knowledge. I originally got it to help my pc recover after a nasty virus.

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@IanM

Quote: "Yes it's worth it, and Yes you can trust them - I have one that runs every week (Tuneup Utilities)"


The evidence isn't very encouraging. Here are two screenshots of the free trial version of TuneUp today (second in next post).

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Here's the second:

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I have had an problem with Explorer opend an directory whenever I logged in. It was an faulty registary adress. So I used an program that fiddled with the registary (heard it was good and solved that kind of issues), and it worked. So I guess that cleaning your registary often keeps problems like that from occuring. And even if your system wont get such problems, why live in an junkyard when you can have it all cleaned up for free?

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Quote: "why live in an junkyard when you can have it all cleaned up for free?"


Why fix it if it ain't broken.


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Why have junk in your comp if you can get it out for free?

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But what junk?

no one can answer me this .

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Windows becomes less stable when the registry has too much crap in it with missing links, etc. When XP first came out it was regular to get a blue screen when starting up the computer if it happened to shut down while writing to the registry. The registry is already a ridiculous thing that should have died out a long time ago, but it's a good idea to clean it when you can. Think of it like defragging your hard drive. No harm will come to you if you never do it, but your computer will speed up a bit and thank you for degragging once in a while.


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The Regcleaner I'm talking about is here:
http://www.worldstart.com/weekly-download/archives/reg-cleaner4.3.htm


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Quote: "Why have junk in your comp if you can get it out for free?"


But the cleaners themselves seem to be just another 57 varieties of junk.
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Quote: "Windows becomes less stable when the registry has too much crap in it with missing links, etc. When XP first came out it was regular to get a blue screen when starting up the computer if it happened to shut down while writing to the registry. The registry is already a ridiculous thing that should have died out a long time ago, but it's a good idea to clean it when you can. Think of it like defragging your hard drive. No harm will come to you if you never do it, but your computer will speed up a bit and thank you for degragging once in a while."


Oh...

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Thanks. I've tried that - but it assumes I know what everything means. Which entries are valid, which aren't and so on. For example, it lists everything that runs on StartUp - but, apart from a few obvious ones, I've no idea which are safe to delete. Except one - the entry for RegClean (see an earlier post)!

What is the point of a registry cleaner if it just adds more junk to the system?

Another example, on the File Types page it marks several entries as N/A and suggests that you can safely delete them. What, for instance, would be the consequence of deleting the entry for .cpp files (which happens to be one "N/A" I do recognize)?
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While we're on the subject of "junk", take a look at this.

Why does every DBP upgrade need a new entry? Can I safely remove the old entries? (I did remove lots of earlier ones some time back with no obvious problems - but what are they doing there in the first place?) And why don't either of the automatic "Registry Cleaners" on my system remove them?

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Green Gandalf: In RegCleaner, click Tools -> Registry Cleaning (or something similar) -> Do Them All. It'll work for a while, and the list that it presents is safe to remove and unnecessary.

I think auto-cleaners don't remove the DBPro registry entries because they're still linking to an existing file.


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Quote: "I think auto-cleaners don't remove the DBPro registry entries because they're still linking to an existing file."


Makes sense - but why do we need several entries for DBPro in the first place?

Quote: "It'll work for a while, and the list that it presents is safe to remove and unnecessary."


I'll give that a go, thenks.
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Posted: 22nd Feb 2008 16:17 Edited at: 22nd Feb 2008 16:18
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Quote: "@IanM


Quote: "Yes it's worth it, and Yes you can trust them - I have one that runs every week (Tuneup Utilities)"

The evidence isn't very encouraging. Here are two screenshots of the free trial version of TuneUp today (second in next post). "


Well, what do you know? After all this time (a year?) I can at last set Dark Shader as my default application for opening shaders. Looks like one of the Registry Cleaners actually achieved something. But I've no idea which.

So perhaps it wasn't a waste of effort after all?

Cheers! to IanM and others who encouraged me to persist with this.

Just have to get *.tga files right next ...
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