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Person99
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Posted: 9th Feb 2008 08:08 Edited at: 9th Feb 2008 08:09
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Curiosity killed the cat, and now it is heading with some heavy weaponry for the tuxedo-wearing penguin.

I currently use Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon (+Wine for things like FPSCX10).


Do you use Windows or Linux? (Or maybe even mac)?

My bet: Most the posters will be Windows users, and maybe even a Mac user. I am probably the only Linux user.

Note: Please do not put someone down because of their OS, there is nothing that can be gained from that, and it would be the motolov cocktail to a flamewar. I don't care if they use Windows 95 or a system that could blow mars up by pressing the BOOM button (Especially not then), there is no good reason to flame them.
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tha_rami
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I use Windows XP, Windows Vista, Ubuntu...


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Posted: 9th Feb 2008 09:02 Edited at: 9th Feb 2008 09:03
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Mostly XP, I also have Ubuntu to use when I feel like it

BTW - Wine supports DX10?!? *gasp*

"Variables won't, constants aren't."
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Posted: 9th Feb 2008 11:23 Edited at: 9th Feb 2008 11:24
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I love Ubuntu. Windows come after it. Have an nice dual boot on my laptop.

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I use Ubuntu but I run WindowsXP through VMWare for things like VisualStudio. I got tired of re-installing windows all the time, so I'm experimenting with having a linux host and making complete backups of the windows filesystem whenever I install something. So far so good.

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Windows Vista, and that's the lot. Absolutely hate Mac, and I tried PCLinuxOs and Fedora Linux, and almost killed myself using them out of frustration.


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Benjamin
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I have Kubuntu, but I don't have much of a use for it as I have XP.

Quote: "BTW - Wine supports DX10?!? *gasp*"

I doubt it supports it properly.

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WINE Is pretty good.

If you have never used it before, then please don't comment on it.

Oh, and I dual boot XP and Ubuntu.

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Posted: 9th Feb 2008 15:27 Edited at: 10th Feb 2008 04:40
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I use Vista, and have an old xp comp===> absolutely hate it now.

I can't use a mac, just don't like em, I can't multi task well with them(edited, I didn't mean to put down OSX).

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Posted: 9th Feb 2008 15:41
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Windows XP user, I've used Ubuntu under a Virtual Machine. At home we have a couple of Macs, Mac OS X is my favourite, but XP has me at DBP and Direct X games. Linux is cool and a great OS, but it doesn't fulfill my needs. An ideal situation would be a Windows Gaming Laptop and a Mac Desktop, I need a laptop for portability but a mac for 3d graphics, so an intel Mac would do swimmingly as the desktop comp. (It would beat my WinXP 128mb ram laptop and 512mb ram WinXP Desktop, which quite frankly are too old, the laptop is just a joke, it barely runs the internet)

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I have also used Damn Small Linux once...

It was really small!

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I have used Wine and linux my fair share, bro. I find it hard to believe it would support something so new at all, that's all.

"Variables won't, constants aren't."
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I can't use a mac, just don't like em, sucks for multi tasking."


Why is that?


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Quote: "I can't use a mac, just don't like em, sucks for multi tasking."


Hit F9, select the program window you want to use, if a window is minimized, it'll be in the dock. Simple

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Posted: 9th Feb 2008 21:49
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My primary OS is vista but I have a virtual machine collection of Ubuntu(tolerable) and React-OS(crashes when you open the file system). Running vista on a VM is impossible because of all the resources it takes.

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I have run vista in an VM, and even though it was a bit slow it worked.

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I use neither, i gave up on computers and anything electronical about three years ago. I now sit in a dark damp cave drawing on the walls with chalk ....it passes the time.

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I did suddenly get an "deja vu" feeling!

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Posted: 10th Feb 2008 00:18 Edited at: 10th Feb 2008 00:24
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Macs are great for everyday use, great family comp, though you could say that I'm just not familiar enough with OSX to use it well.
When I said don't like em, I didn't mean I hate them.

Edit: I've never used Linux, is the setup similar to a mac or a PC?Or is it different altogether?

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It functions like windows, at least the gnome desktop does. You can obtain desktops/themes that look and function just like a mac. That's the beauty of linux, it's completely modular


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Yeah, you can do anything in it and that with much more ease then with, as an example, windows.

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Always used Windows, first 95, then 98, then finally XP, which still use to this day. I have tried a mac, but I guess I'm just too use to a PC to notice it's good points. Plus, I haven't used a mac enough to really know if I like them.

I've also barely used Unix (OpenBSD) as a server. Basically typed in a few commands and grumbled about not seeing the characters representing my password.


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Quote: "Plus, I haven't used a mac enough to really know if I like them.
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I'm the same way. Hmm, Linux doesn't appeal to much to me, I love Vista, but I might try Ubuntu someday.

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I currently use Vista. In all honesty, I want to downgrade to XP, but it's not my computer so I sadly can't However, when I do get my own computer up and running again, my plan is to run XP and Linux on it. I don't have any experience with Linux yet, but I really want to try it out at the least


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Windows if you want to get work done, Linux if you want to awe in open sourcery.

Wine won't do everything, although it is decent. Absolutely not DX10, it's not even done with DirectX 9.

I've been using Gentoo for a long time now, but I'm pretty interested in Fedora. Anyone have any experiences?

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Quote: "Windows if you want to get work done"


*lol*

And that's why 90% of servers are linux?

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What? I mean in creating media and business work, as well as programming. Servers have nothing to do with it.

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Quote: "What? I mean in creating media and business work, as well as programming. Servers have nothing to do with it."


1. Cereal Business works -- WINDOWS
2. Media and creativity -- Mac
3. Programming and actual computer work -- LINUX

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Quote: "And that's why 90% of servers are linux?"

He said if you want to get work done, not run a server. Typical fanboy response - completely miss the point and post something in favour of your software.

Quote: "3. Programming and actual computer work -- LINUX"

What do you mean by this? You're incapable of getting work done in Windows? Or are you just trying to start an OS argument? Both look likely candidates.

I'd program under Linux if I wanted to develop software for it, but as most people use Windows there's no point.

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A little biased noob? Linux and mac aren't bad, they just aren't for me. I honestly don't see why you have to boast about an OS, it doesn't make your life better, it's just an Operating System, it's just software, which people have their own preferences for.This isn't personally aimed at you FYI.

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Back to the original question...

Quote: "Do you use Windows or Linux? (Or maybe even mac)?"


I dual boot with XP Professional and Ubuntu 32 and 64 bit (okay, I guess that's triple-boot... ). In all honesty, I rarely use Ubuntu, I just can't do any programming stuff on linux, which is what I spend most of my computer time doing.

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Wine supports DX10, but it doesn't work for a lot of people, even though it does work for some.
I have done a lot of tweaking in Wine, so a default installation of wine won't do you as good as mine.


Satchmo, correct, no bragging about an OS or bashing another is going to get anybody anywhere.

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I'd program under Linux if I wanted to develop software for it, but as most people use Windows there's no point.
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Quote: "1. Cereal Business works -- WINDOWS
2. Media and creativity -- Mac
3. Programming and actual computer work -- LINUX
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And that's why 90% of servers are linux? "


Quote: "Windows if you want to get work done, Linux if you want to awe in open sourcery.
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All of these are potential starts of flame wars, please discontinue these pointless arguments.

Quote: "
I've been using Gentoo for a long time now, but I'm pretty interested in Fedora. Anyone have any experiences?"


My experience with Fedora is a lot like mine with Kubuntu. No problems, no crashes, no nothing, just nice stability and power.
I unfortunately only had it for a couple weeks on a different system while my Kubuntu system was down, so don't go by my word alone.
(My motherboard got toasted by a power outage.)


Quote: "I don't have any experience with Linux yet, but I really want to try it out at the least
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Of you are already savy with using command lines, compiling stuff, googling your $#& off, you can start with pretty much anything.
However, if you are not, you should probably start with a more popular user-friendly package like Kubuntu or SuSe or something.
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I like Ubuntu, but I spend alot of my time in Windows just because thats where all my programs work. Also, I'm not used to the way files are organized in Linux, and it's seriously annoying trying to find something I didn't make because I don't know where to expect it to be. The compatibility problem is the biggest - Linux doesn't even do DirectX, it uses OpenGL. Wine and those programs sort of emulate it.

That aside, it's a fun operating system. Gnome desktop manager looks like a mac (sort of), but acts like windows. Many of the same key shortcuts are there. Also, it's usually very easy to find a program you're looking for because the menus are nice. I find performance is much better in general - especially for such a bea-u-tiful window manager - I <3 compiz ^_^ - all your desktops on a cube, the windows wobbling as you move them - it just makes it all so much friendlier.

Also, if you're looking for something a little more compatable, you could try OpenSUSE. I've heard good and bad reviews of it, mainly people dissing them for making deals with Microsoft, but from what I've tried of it it's pretty cool too.

ReactOS (NOT linux - it's its own thing, based on Windows NT) is currently in alpha stages. I've only ever run it in a virtual machine, but it's unstable and has no features to speak of. On top of that, it looks like a retarded Windows 95. Also, alot of their Windows emulation is based on the Wine project, so much of what you get with them, you'll be able to get on the much more usable Linux distros as well.

Programming and such tend to go smoothly on linux, but for those of us who think all programming should be done there - that's great, as long as the end program is still Windows compatable, which is what 99% of desktop users use (sadly). I program both on linux and windows, and it goes pretty well on both. You can also try high-level languages like Python, which are awesome and usually platform-independent. Saying Windows isn't good for anything isn't true, but I think if Linux had the kind of software base Windows does the majority of desktop users would be using it.

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Not saying anyone has done it yet, but for future posters, make sure you know what you've talking about before you comment on an OS.

I use all three operating systems. I'm dual booting Windows and Linux on my main PC, and am running Mac on my laptop. I like Mac a gajillion more times than Windows, though I'm stuck with Windows because of it's overall popularity and the games. I kinda' just use Linux for messing around, I've been too occupied to learn to do something eventful with it.

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Quote: "I use neither, i gave up on computers and anything electronical about three years ago. I now sit in a dark damp cave drawing on the walls with chalk ....it passes the time."


Cool you get internet in your cave.

I use Windows XP but I've always wanted to try linux, never really wanted to try mac.


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DB OProgrammer, install Virtual Box, download the Ubuntu ISO (or whatever dist you want to test, but Ubuntu is an good place to start), and install it on an virtual machine. May be a bit slower, but it cannot corrupt or hurt your system in any way. That way you can keep windows without having to install any other OS on your system and be safe that windows will not be damaged in any way. Great for testing purpuses.

Quote: "The compatibility problem is the biggest - Linux doesn't even do DirectX, it uses OpenGL. Wine and those programs sort of emulate it."


As an sidenote, windows programs do not work on linux, bsd, unix, mac because it is an NT based OS. It does things in its own way, linux does it in its own way, bsd does thing in its own way and so on. So of cource there will be compatibility prgoblems, they are different systems .

Plus DirectX is an "windows only" thing, and need to be emulated to work on any other platform.

If you want software for linux (at last in Ubuntu), open the package managers and you got thousands of programs at your disposal (for Ubuntu I think it is 20000 or something).

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Quote: "And that's why 90% of servers are linux?"


I know this statistic is only for webservers but you should check this out:

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2008/01/28/january_2008_web_server_survey.html

Apache: 47.20%
Microsoft: 36.99%

And given that Apache can run on Windows, but a Microsoft server cannot run on Linux (to my knowledge), I'm not sure where this 90% figure comes from.

On topic though, I use Windows on my desktop and Linux on my laptop. I don't think Linux has got anything on Windows in the home computing sector - but I like to keep it on a machine to keep my knowledge of it current (if you don't use it, you lose it!). My obersevations have been that as far as common tasks at home goes, it takes far longer to do in Linux and usually isn't as user friendly. Windows is faster, a lot easier to do most things and has a lot better compatibility with the hardware I have.

That said, I've found this to not be true for servers. After the painful setup procedure, Linux makes a nice webserver without the GUI - I'm just wondering if Server 2008 Core will have an inpact!

At the end of the day, I use whatever does the job best for me. 99% of the time, that's Windows.

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Quote: "Wine supports DX10, but it doesn't work for a lot of people, even though it does work for some. "


Last time I looked (about 2 months ago) D3D 10 only had a stub. Going from a stub to a fully formed DX10-comparable GL renderer in ~2 months is extremely unlikely, so that's why I assume it is still a stub.

i.e. DirectX 10 functionality still does not exist

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Thought I'd just point this out:
http://winehq.org/site/status_directx

Not surprised it doesn't work for a lot of people, considering the fact it's 0% complete


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Quote: "On topic though, I use Windows on my desktop and Linux on my laptop. I don't think Linux has got anything on Windows in the home computing sector - but I like to keep it on a machine to keep my knowledge of it current (if you don't use it, you lose it!)."


I like Ubuntu and use it a LOT as an home computing thing, and I must say I think it´s mature enough. But that´s me. Not saying it´s perfect, though, but to be honest, which OS is?

Quote: "My obersevations have been that as far as common tasks at home goes, it takes far longer to do in Linux and usually isn't as user friendly. Windows is faster, a lot easier to do most things and has a lot better compatibility with the hardware I have."


For me it takes not longer time at all to surf on the internet, writing something or installing something, and I do not find it generally less user-friendly, it is just done in another way. And I do not really think it is slower then windows, at last as fast or faster. But I agree with that the compability could be better. But windows may fit you better then linux. We are different, we think in different ways and find different things easy to do, so it´s only natural that we find different OSes more or less user-friendly out of our perspective. I like Ubuntu better because I think in an more Ubuntu-like way. You may find windows better because you think in an windows-like way.

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Quote: "We are different, we think in different ways and find different things easy to do, so it´s only natural that we find different OSes more or less user-friendly out of our perspective. I like Ubuntu better because I think in an more Ubuntu-like way. You may find windows better because you think in an windows-like way."


Spot on. Makes sense to use what works best for you. I don't think you can say which one is better, everyone will have a different opinion. I think if I'd grown up with Linux, I'd be a lot more comfortable with it and some of the tasks I find easy in Windows would be less complicated in Linux.

As it stands though, Windows works fine for me and does exactly what I want it to do, so I'm sticking with it until I find a good reason not to.

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I just started testing out Linux today, I like it, not as much as Vista, but it's quite neat actually, I like the interface a lot.

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Quote: "As it stands though, Windows works fine for me and does exactly what I want it to do, so I'm sticking with it until I find a good reason not to."


An windows user... Hmmmmm. I might be able to convert you to the right side with my bat!

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The only reason I was able to 'convert' a bunch of people was my effort to make it look like Vista. As soon as they know the road, they start customizing it themselves. I call it Ubunta . I like both OSes, so I thought, why not?



That Start menu is fading out and fully functional. I love it, it's called Vista Main Menu 1.05 and extremely easy to install through a simple sh-file. aMSN is an amazing MSN replacement, Firefox does what it should, Automatix installs most missing things for me... Emerald an Gnome Art Manager to install the themes, GDM (login screen) and background and done. 25 minutes to install it and completely set it up.


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Quote: "Last time I looked (about 2 months ago) D3D 10 only had a stub. Going from a stub to a fully formed DX10-comparable GL renderer in ~2 months is extremely unlikely, so that's why I assume it is still a stub."

He meant he actually took the source himself, added in a bit of things (he never said "fully formed"),compiled hit himself, and is able to run some simple stuff.
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tha_rami, nice one. Curius about how people start getting "converted" as soon as they find out you can make it look a bit like vista... interesting. Wish my laptop could handle Compiz-Fusion .

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Keo C
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Posted: 11th Feb 2008 17:07
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Quote: "how people start getting "converted" as soon as they find out you can make it look a bit like vista"

Me see shiny graphics, must be good OS. *drools*.


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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 11th Feb 2008 17:16
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Me see shiny graphics, must be sick. *throws up*

Seriously, who needs them? Good ol' 95 style does it for me.

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Posted: 11th Feb 2008 17:57
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All down to opinion and whether you like to tinker. I love linux, and will tinker away with it for hours, but I expect stuff in windows to work straight away and get frustrated when it doesn't. I use windows at home almost exclusively for games (playing and developing), and I use nothing but linux at work.

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Posted: 11th Feb 2008 18:14
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Quote: "He meant he actually took the source himself, added in a bit of things (he never said "fully formed"),compiled hit himself, and is able to run some simple stuff."


The likelihood of this being true is extremely unlikely.


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tha_rami
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Posted: 11th Feb 2008 18:56
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Compiz-Fusion is amazing... gnome-art is good too.


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