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PresFox
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Hello,

This may be a fairly odd request, or a fairly strange place to post this, but i am giving it a shot anyways.

I am a teacher, currently teaching a group of 9 year olds on a primary school (4-12). The next few weeks we have a project about Bangladesh, the children will raise money for better schools and school supplies. This is a international action coordinated by CordAid.

For this i am looking for a Bangladesh citizen who would be willing to answer questions children will have about Bangladesh in a live chat session, preferably over MSN, and if possible, with microphone or even webcam. This is for my class, and maybe for others too (if you want, that is)

Are you a Bangladesh citizen, or do you know any who would be willing to do this, please contact me either by email or by leaving a reply here. My email can be found in my profile.

Thanks in advance!

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Exposing nine year olds to a stranger whom you yourself have never met, even if you can see and hear them is totally irresponsible and goes against everything that a teacher should be teaching kids. For all you know this person is going to all of a sudden flash their penis on the screen. This is a very bad idea! As a teacher you really need to think this through.
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Ye, could turn out really lame. However, I found a list of Teacher Associations around the world, it might help you in finding someone interesting and not-crazy.

http://www.teacher-appreciation.info/Teacher_associations_worldwide/


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See thats a better idea, using a teacher association... but using some people from the TGC forums is dangerous as i mean, to be fair as much as we talk 2 each other, for all u know im a pedofile... im not, infact im going to school next year for criminology because I want to get into sex crimes to protect children from people like that, but all the same as far as you should be concerned, i could be, infact so could everyone here! Just be cautious when doing stuff like this.
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Nemesis, dont worry about that, i myself am very aware of the possibilities and dangers, and this is not the first time i have done this.

Also, not every male working with children is a pedophile you know, in this age, where children from 9 are activily playing runescape (and yes, many of my class do), have a myspace profile, and spend hours a day on msn, me hooking them up to a pervert is the last thing happening.

Also, i am talking about a session on a beamer, with a entire class, with me translating back and forth, these children dont speak english

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Quote: "i myself am very aware of the possibilities and dangers, and this is not the first time i have done this."


So you are aware of the dangers, and just because you've don it before and nothing has happened, you choose to still put the children in danger?

Quote: "Also, not every male working with children is a pedophile you know"


Never said that, I said exposing them to a potential pedofile is a stupid move.

Quote: "where children from 9 are activily playing runescape (and yes, many of my class do), have a myspace profile, and spend hours a day on msn, me hooking them up to a pervert is the last thing happening."


So you're actually ok with this stile of thinking? Let me ask you... Since i juggle swords, and work at a bar (both considered to be dangerous things) i guess I can go and drive on the wrong side of the road with no seatbelt on and live because the other two things haven\'t gotten me killed.

Quote: "Also, i am talking about a session on a beamer, with a entire class, with me translating back and forth, these children dont speak english"


I didn't know that a pedofile flashing his naked body (yes its a form of sexual assault) to a bunch of nine year olds required you to speak english to understand...

My officialy opinion... You're almost as dangerous as the pedofiles i'm trying to warn you about, simply because of your enormous amount of ignorance. Should I be right, and you get a sick disgusting human being involved with a bunch of nine year olds, I hope they hold you fully accountable for it, afterall, you are inabling these people, and putting the kids you are trying to "help" in danger.
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Quote: "My officialy opinion... You're almost as dangerous as the pedofiles i'm trying to warn you about, simply because of your enormous amount of ignorance. Should I be right, and you get a sick disgusting human being involved with a bunch of nine year olds, I hope they hold you fully accountable for it, afterall, you are inabling these people, and putting the kids you are trying to "help" in danger."


There's a difference between being cautious and being downright paranoid. You're falling into the latter. Seriously, there's very little danger in doing a video conference after interviewing a guy who clearly appears to be from where they say they are.

How many pedophiles have you met through random chance online who shows you their junk? I bet if you were to switch it up and ask for anyone who wants to talk to kids about game dev, you'd get a boatload of volunteers none of which you would worry about doing something weird.


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Quote: "So you're actually ok with this stile of thinking? Let me ask you... Since i juggle swords, and work at a bar (both considered to be dangerous things) i guess I can go and drive on the wrong side of the road with no seatbelt on and live because the other two things haven\'t gotten me killed."


your argument is really really stupid nemesis..

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Nemesis, you're gonna be the guy who loves his job too much



Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who lives in Bangladesh.


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Posted: 10th Feb 2008 00:21 Edited at: 10th Feb 2008 00:22
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Nemesis, your arguments really make no sense, im not dropping them in a chatroom, with names like melanie11, and let them go unmonitored

oh, and btw, this guy (or gal) wont see the kids, just us him (or her)

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Posted: 10th Feb 2008 00:24 Edited at: 10th Feb 2008 00:28
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Indeed.

Teacher, you don't know who is on the other end of the connection, yes they may say anything, the kids won't understand it unless he/she speaks in their tongue. If the person on the other end could be anybody - so I can understand where Nemesis_ is coming from. It'd be very irresponsible of your to truth the person on the other end will behave, the internet is home to all types and if the Bangladeshi on the other end, may appear like a respectable fellow on the internet, but you don't know what kind of person they really are - they might even flash their private parts, moon the children or worse. That would be beyond your control. These are all ifs, you say you've done it before, that's because you've been lucky and found honest people, but you have been risking it a little. It's all probability here, flip a coin, roll a dice, rnd(100).

You might want to try another teaching technique, I mean it wouldn't hurt, the first time I came across using internet video and that was in A Level RE and even then it was the teacher showing us some interesting videos on youtube. All before that (except ICT, that don't count) it's been the teacher standing at the front or interacting with us to help us learn.

Your approach is a nice idea in the respect it's different and interesting for the kids, but that's the think with teaching, there are so many ways of being creative about it, at least I found that's what made teachers differ at school. (And even now at University.)

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You know what his mistake is? He mixes the paradox of possibility with the math of probability.


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Sepukku, webcam is only a very maybe, maybe some concerns are right, and id be better off doing just msn text chat. (It is what i did the last time too)

I want to use the teacher in front of class model as base, but i try to invent many ways of teaching around it, breaking that. It keeps the children interested and makes things special and fun

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@ Nemisis

You should watch the episode of South Park where the parents go insane because they think people are gonna kidnap their kids, so they put child tracker helmets on them, close the town off to outsiders and eventually exile them to keep them safe from them selfs. You would like that episode I think.

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I don't mean to seem paranoid, but I am not going to dedicate a large portion of my life to protecting children from these dangers to just sit by while someone puts them in dangerous situations.

Let's be realistic here, had I not said anything and he got in touch with someone here who ended up exposing themselves on webcam to these 9 year olds, we would all be saying "Why didn't we speak up and say 'it's a bad idea'?"

My opinion stands that a webcam conversation is dangerous, and teaching kids that its ok to talk to strangers on the internet is dangerous.

Can i ask a question to those of you replying to my posts... How many of you have ever been exposed to pedofiles? have known someone who has been affected by them? Has done any sort of research on these things? Just curious...
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This is insane. None of us here is like that, I am fairly certain of that. Pedophiles would most likely be hanging around on IRC, not on Apollo. Then again, what TGC member would flash in front of a webcam knowing there's another TGC member on the other end?

I say this is a responsible and more than reasonably safe place to ask for such a thing.


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I have to agree with the concerns that Nemesis has said. While they might be excessive or paranoid-ish, they are possibilities. At the absolute least, I would be sure to at least spend a good time with the person you end up using, and talking to them prior to bringing them into the classroom(even via internet), and be ready to act quickly and accordingly should anything happen. But, if you don't go that route, and you just go the basic MSN chat, it would be safer, and a lot easier for you to control in any case of something going wrong.


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Quote: "This is insane. None of us here is like that, I am fairly certain of that. Pedophiles would most likely be hanging around on IRC, not on Apollo. Then again, what TGC member would flash in front of a webcam knowing there's another TGC member on the other end?

I say this is a responsible and more than reasonably safe place to ask for such a thing."


... until someone sees this on google and joins.
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That won't be indexed for quite a while, if it is even indexed.

If you use normal IM-chat, which I assume you will as you'll be translating stuff, or a closed chatroom environment that you can monitor, it's okay. I cannot see why everyone is acting so paranoid... it's not like he's letting numbers of 9-year olds into #dirty or #porn on IRC or something - it's a controlled environment.


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True, google has not yet indexed this page. It has however indexed the other place that PresFox posted.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22teacher+looking+for+citizen+of+bangladesh%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Bleh!

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I have to agree with Nemesis on this one. Unless the teacher can 100% sure the person isn't a pedophile, there is a chance they could do something obscene.

Of course, there's a good chance that the person will be fine, but would you let the kids play Russian roulette unless you know the gun was unloaded?


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Quote: "would you let the kids play Russian roulette unless you know the gun was unloaded?"


[sarcasm]yes, because we all know that 1 out of every 6 on these forums are a pedophile[sarcasm]

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Well lets be frank here. Its the internet, the person wont be able to find all the kids and hit on them. But if you really wanted to be safe just take down their questions and record the conversation beforehand then play it back on the T.V. or computer screen.

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Quote: "Well lets be frank here. Its the internet, the person wont be able to find all the kids and hit on them. But if you really wanted to be safe just take down their questions and record the conversation beforehand then play it back on the T.V. or computer screen."


Thats what I was gonna suggest.

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This is absurd. Its an controlled environment. What are we going to do? Close the windows because some stranger might try mooning them? The teacher is in control of what the person says, when the conversation starts and ends and what the children can see.


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does anyone notice that nothing has come of this thread. I mean everyone's debating whether this users request and not a single person has offered to fill the position. I think the question is whether there even is someone from Bangladesh on these forums! As for whether what you're doing is good or not, put it this was, I think its fine if you're fine with it but did you consider the opinions of the parents. If I was the parent of a kid in your class I wouldn't be too thrilled...

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Why not data? If he/she took questions before hand and recorded it and played it back you wouldn't be alright with that?

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Quote: "Why not data? If he/she took questions before hand and recorded it and played it back you wouldn't be alright with that?"


That's entirely different as the content is guaranteed by the time it reaches the children


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Rami, though it's highly unlikely a member of TGC is like that, especially the regulars, but unfortunately we don't know each other's vices - and looking at the outcome, they're not going to find a Bangladeshi (I don't recall ever seeing one) on these forums and these concerns need to be addressed (in the poster decides to look elsewhere).

No matter who you speak to you on the internet, you can't give up all caution just to trust someone who is convincingly a respectable person. If I were to meet another member of TGC (aside from Baggers as he's a classmate of a flatmate) I would do it in a public place with plenty of people, as I would with any stranger I've been in non face to face contact with - this is where you make a clearer judgment of the person. It's not that I'm scared that the person isn't who I think they are, but because I don't want to make any risks. I think the teacher should at least bear in mind what risks there are on the net and that he should definitely be careful with what they're exposing to children.

The chances are in favour that the person is decent, but do you really want to gamble probability with kids and schools when it'd cause an uproar if the worst did happen?

If they can really get it in a controlled environment, awesome, but there are risks involved - with this community, I reckon they're thin, but we don't know if they'll get a Bangladeshi from this community - I've not come across any as far as I am aware.

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Well, i posted tjis request on 3 forums im a regular on

As for all the concerns, i decided to go with basic text (or voice) msn chat. That way i have to translate so the kids cant even understand it if something dirty is said. As for privacy, the guy or gal who does do this wont even know the precise location or name of the school, so im not at the least concerned with that

As for or there are any bangladesh citizens around, i dont know. But i figured its worth a shot

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Indeed, that's definitely safer (as long as the kids don't understand what he's saying, but you've already said they won't) - I hope you succeed with this teaching technique. Shame you had to ditch your original idea, but I'm sure it wasn't worth the risk. Good luck in finding your Bangladeshi.

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Wasn't that the original idea? That's what I had in mind with the original post, in any case.


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It was through webcam to a stranger all the way in Bangladesh and have the kids ask questions with the PreFox being the middle man and translator. (Basically the same as what he has now but with a visual image - it's fine if the kids won't understand the person and the teacher does, so he can just cut off the connection if the guy starts getting abusive, with a camera, more issues arise)

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Then have the beamer lag behind a second or what, that ain't too hard to set up.


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So i thought you would all get a laugh at this... someone went to the trouble of creating a new msn account just to whine at me! lmfao! this kinda proves a little bit of my point of we dont know who or what is on this forum...


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For some reason I recognise that e-mail address...

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as do i :/ I don't have my msn up right now though, so this will be a mystery until I get home:/


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Really? The rubber ducky kinda gives it a feeling of a new msn user! most ppl dont use those unless they are either new, or trying to hide an identity.... of course there are exceptions...
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No, we've had someone with that e-mail trolling other members before. This just appears his resurrection. He must be bored.


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Fair enough... haha wait... you both said "troll"... ITS THE RAMI THE RAMI DID *Points finger* haha jokes jokes!
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Whats with MSN and really really long user name things?

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MSN-culture .


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The plot thickens


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Oh my! Its like something out of a novel! We must track him down and a mod simply must H@X0R him!

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