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Geek Culture / Toshiba to drop HD DVD, sources say

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Digital Awakening
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Posted: 15th Feb 2008 17:45
I wouldn't buy a HD-DVD player any more:

A two-page article about HD-DVD loosing the war

Quote: "The format war has turned into a format death watch."


Quote: "Toshiba subsequently fired back, drastically cutting its HD DVD player prices by as much as half, effective Jan. 15. But a hoped-for consumer sales surge never materialized; retail point-of-sale data collected by the NPD Group for the week ending Jan. 26 still showed Blu-ray Disc players ahead by a wide margin, 65% to 28%."


Quote: "But in the end, sources say, the substantial loss Toshiba is incurring with each HD DVD player sold -- a figure sources say could be as high as several hundred dollars -- coupled with a series of high-profile retail defections has driven the company to at last concede defeat."


Quote: ""An announcement is coming soon," said one source close to the HD DVD camp. "It could be a matter of weeks.""


Quote: "This week, two key retailers, Best Buy and Netflix Inc., both got off the fence and threw their support behind Blu-ray exclusively, citing widespread studio support and consumer preference. Both companies said Warner\'s decision was a turning point in their strategies."


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Posted: 15th Feb 2008 19:32 Edited at: 15th Feb 2008 19:32
Digital Awakening are you a Sony fan boy any chance?

Anyway it looks like HD-DVD is dropping like a stone. I'm looking forward to a clear future for Hi Definition movies; where I don't have to worry if I'm not going to get the latest movies in the next year or so.
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Posted: 15th Feb 2008 19:51
No, I'm just reporting the news for those who don't look at hardware sites. Of course it's so much more fun to post news like these when there are people in this forum who have declared BD as dead, in their own magazine non the less

I would also like to point out that there are more companies then Sony behind the BD. You could ask anyone posting positive news about HD-DVD (like that would happen) if they are MS fan boys.

Read and learn. Yes, companies like Apple, Dell, Sun, Disney and Warner are among the Board of Directors.

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Posted: 15th Feb 2008 22:01
Wow, for once Sony makes a format that survives


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DVD's still win Will be a long time before anything replaces them. I mean I still can't tell the difference of quality between blueray/hd or normal dvds. I guess I need one of those HD TVs that cost over £2k .
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Posted: 15th Feb 2008 23:09
Watch Planet Earth on Blu-Ray on an HDTV and you will be blown away. Honestly. Once I saw that I never go back. If it's on Blu-Ray I'll rent it instead of the DVD, hands down


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If you can't tell the difference then I'll bet you haven't seen it on the proper equipment. EBuyer currently sell a 32inch 1080i 100Hz TV with built-in Freeview for £299.99 (inc VAT and delivery). I am not a fan of EBuyer because I had a bad experience with their 'customer care' but thats a pretty amazing price:
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131917


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If you're going for Blu-ray then I would say get a 1080p TV as that's what BDs can output. If you like me can't afford one then wait until the prices on them drops.

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I still cant justify a purchase of a new TV, Sound system, and Player for something like HD, I mean sure it looks nice, but hell I could care less about what lay on the blades of grass in the picture or even seeing the slight wrinkle lines in peoples faces.

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It's easy to go one way but harder to go back. Going from MC to CD I didn't notice any difference, couldn't go back cause MC is crap. Most PC monitors have HD resolutions (720p or better) and I think most here care about details in computer graphics and go "WOW" when they see Crysis.

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HD-DVD is losing because sources falsely report claims about it. HD is a better format. It's cheaper by far, both in discs and players. The sound sampling rate is also higher. And, they've found a way to add another layer to the discs without the need to alter the laser in existing players. So they've made 40GB HD-DVD discs. Oh and guess what, early adopters are screwed like BluRay folks. Sony copied the whole network port idea from Toshiba. They initially stated users wouldn't care about internet access to their players, until they saw how useful it is for updating players.

As far as the sales figures go, I've heard reports that those percentages were based on PS3 sales as well and were only gathered from a 1 week sale. Then the rumors about Paramount leaving after Universal left was just a scare that worked in getting more businesses to stop carrying HD.

Give me 1 reason why BluRay is a better format other than "it has more space".

I have a 1080p 120Hz Sony tv, looks great with my Toshiba HD player. I know I'm going to have to end up buying a BlueRay player at some point, but not until I see these prices drop by at least half and Sony fixes all their bugs and start to offer some f***ing support to their customers.


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Quote: "Give me 1 reason why BluRay is a better format other than "it has more space"."


Because people are buying it, and because Walmart says so

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7248128.stm

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Quote: "Give me 1 reason why BluRay is a better format other than "it has more space"."


It's twice as fast!

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Ummm, what? Faster how? My HD player takes about 30s after I turn it on, BluRay players have been taking at least twice that or more.


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Quote: "If you can't tell the difference then I'll bet you haven't seen it on the proper equipment. EBuyer currently sell a 32inch 1080i 100Hz TV with built-in Freeview for £299.99 (inc VAT and delivery).
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131917"


I can't tell much of difference on anything other than a 1080p tv on a 32" screen. Yer it looks good... but I have a 32" CRT TV and it looks the same to me.

So I wouldn't want to buy anything without 1080p, and since in england those tvs are worth their weight in gold im gonna have to wait to see the sheer awesomeness of HD... and if the blue ray disk cost gets reduced maybe I'll bother with them too. But a box set of heroes S1 blueray disks are not gonna come cheap

Oh... heroes seems to be only on HD DVDs.. oh well. HD is cheaper... but the boxset retails at £74... meaning blueray will be at least £10-20 more... standard DVDs are at £34 retail. I don't think a slightly better quality resolution and sound is worth a £40 difference. But then again I am not rich
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Quote: "BluRay players have been taking at least twice that or more."


Research based on what?

Heh at the end of the day its really the fanboys who care which product is faster or holds more data and thats from both sides (however for some reason xbox360 owners seem to become all defensive when this topic is brought up)

From a purely consumer based and non technical opinion I hope Blu-Ray comes out on top for the simple reason I own a ps3 so its convenient. I have a SD screen so DVD will do for me until they phased out. The potential of bigger storage space or quality has yet to be fully realized in my opinion so I don't think this discussion will finish anytime soon.

If I had to make a bet on which format will ultimately 'win' the 'format war' I'd easily put money on Blu-Ray and that is because the retailers are choosing to stock that, no technical reasons come into play at all....at the end of the day what the retailers stock is what will win, and with Walmart phasing out HD-DVD you can bet smaller chains will follow suite and any companies who have previously boycotted Blu-Ray (Universal) will pick it back up...They are in the business of making money and who is going to make products that the shops wont stock?

Harsh reality but thats where my money is. (if anybody thinks otherwise I'd be interested to hear why)

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Yup, rumours go that Toshiba will be dropping HD-DVD. Time to get that stupid HD-DVD enabled laptop sold before the news goes big, I guess.


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Hehe, I feel bad for all those who were duped and bought HD-DVD players. Early adopters almost always get screwed in the end.


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Posted: 16th Feb 2008 11:24
Quote: "Ummm, what? Faster how? My HD player takes about 30s after I turn it on, BluRay players have been taking at least twice that or more."


Because the data on a BD is stored much closer to the readable side, unlike DVD and HD-DVD who stores it in the middle, the BD can achieve read speeds twice that of HD-DVD. For example there was this hybrid player I read about not long ago that had 3x HD-DVD and 6x BD read speeds.

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Quote: "Because the data on a BD is stored much closer to the readable side, unlike DVD and HD-DVD who stores it in the middle, the BD can achieve read speeds twice that of HD-DVD. For example there was this hybrid player I read about not long ago that had 3x HD-DVD and 6x BD read speeds."


Don't be confused about the speed here.
It's like saying "OMG! DVD are slower than CD cause my CD-ROM runs at 52x but my DVD runs at 24x!! that's like twice as slow!?!"

Cause it's bullcrap at the end of the day.
Both HD-DVD and BluRay will read at >3Mbit (in-fact both run at around 133Mbit/second), which given you only need 3Mbit even for 1080p reading speeds any more than that is just fluff.

As for booting times.. I don't have either as dedicated players attached to my TV.

I do however have BluRay on my PS3 and HD-DVD on my 360 (will upgrade to the hybrid HD-Player Unit when it's released later this year) and both take about 10seconds to load a movie, which is about the same as DVDs do on both.

On my PC it's bloody instant though, so go knows why it takes so long on the consoles.

As far as the formats go, tbh I'm still not impressed by either.
I've said it before, yes picture quality is better and colour resolution is better. So you have more life-like pictures, but honestly the difference only is noticeable as much when you're viewing things recorded SPECIFICALLY for HD format; which right now is only a handful of things.

Everything else just looks a little more chrisp. Then again I might be the only weird person who actually prefers 1280x720p over 1920x1080p ... I can't watch anything in 720i/1080i though, for some reason it gives me a headache to look at for a while.

I'm like this with video games too though, I mean my graphics cards perfectly handle most games now at some ridiculous resolution but I still prefer them at 1280x720. Just like even older games I prefer in 1024x768. Higher resolutions are not always best.

Still don't believe BluRay has a definite advantage yet, or that any of the rumours going around will be true.

In any-case I'm with Chenak, DVDs are almost half the price in basically every-case. Why the hell pay far more for slightly better picture quality that frankly if you own one of the consoles or a Media PC, the graphics cards really do make normal DVDs look so much closer to HD-Formats (especially in HD resolutions) whats' the point? seriously?

Only reason I have either on my consoles is cause they came free; and for my PC it's for back-up and reading reasons.

50GB BluRay disc for £15 ... that said I still tend to get a new 250GB HDD for £25. So doubt I'll have a HD format on my next PC.

right now while so many argue over these formats, DVD is still absolutely owning the sales charts. this will be just like Video CD, by the time a clear winner is drawn, the next big format will be out.

what's possibly more important here is there are very few people willing to drop the better part of £1,000 just to get the equippment to buy and watch higher definition movies.

ESPECIALLY when NetFlix and BitTorrent.com have allowed us to download-rental HD movies to our PCs for the past two years, AND also Microsoft provide them as downloadables on Marketplace with Sony no doubt providing the same soon.

VirginMedia here in the UK also provide this with their V+ HD Box (which I have)

So end of the day, should I go to the shops and buy a HD-DVD or BluRay then worry if I can run it at home for double the price of a DVD... or just download onto my cable box which I know can run it for half the price?

Sorry but neither format will really win. I think quicker internet connections, and digital distribution will.

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Think I'll be saving a few bob and sticking with my current TV and DVD's and see how things pan out with it over the next couple of years, too early for me to change from good old DVD's.

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It's over now. Toshiba has officially backed out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/business/7252172.stm


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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 15:16 Edited at: 19th Feb 2008 15:18
You beat me to it!

Reuters

Quote: "Toshiba, which had hoped HD DVD would drive growth in its consumer electronics business, said it would aim to end its HD DVD business by the end of next month."


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Shame, waiting for the Bluray prices to stop falling suddenly now, Sony tend to like expensive formats...

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Because BD differs more from a DVD then HD-DVD does it will initially cost more but in the long run the format will last longer and prices will drop over time. I see no reason why BD should drop in price instantly now that they have won, there's no direct competition any more. Prices will have to drop if they want more people to switch from DVD though, or it will take too long (there's always a next one coming later). There's now a larger demand for BD but as supply increases the prices must drop or they will overproduce.

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Sony always keep their prices artificially high. For example take their memory cards, which are required to use with both their phones and cameras. I can get 2gig SD cards for 15 quid, the equivalent M2 or before they phased it out Memorystick would've cost about 4 times that at least.
You're talking about the lack of competition as a good thing, it might be for Sony, but not for the consumer.

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I think that the problem with Sony's memory cards is that only their products support them and only they make them so there's no competition at all. While with BD there are many manufacturers and Sony is only one of them. As more and more starts manufacturing BDs and BD players they will compete against each other, just like on the DVD market today.

Where did I mention the lack of competition as a good thing?

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My bad, misread your post, just as you misread mine before it. I said that I thought the prices were going to freeze now (stop dropping, badly worded by me) because the competition is now gone, so we were essentially saying the same thing.

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Why does anyone bother with CD's DVD's HD-DVD's, Blueray? There just going to be replaced anyway, thats what a commercial society is for, i just use KeyDrives, i've got lots of them and they just work like USB HardDrives, there all batered and brused, but they always work, but cd, dvd, blueray, ect are all made to be distructable, you do know its possable to use somethink much better that dosn't brake with one scratch?

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Kentaree:
Now I get your post

MSon:
Optical discs might stop working even if there are no scratches depending on quality of the disc and quality of the recorder. Also while discs may play perfectly in some players others may have problems with a disc after a while. Optical discs are the cheapest way to store data on though, especially if you order a 100-pack from some low price disc company. I got these Alpha DVDs really cheap and so far they have been better then anything else. Movies are also bought on optical discs.

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Any CD/DVD player with that stupid "error protection" technology will fail to read a scratched disc. Incidentally, those are the more expensive ones. They skip and get stuck in infinite loops instead of maybe crackling or showing distortion. How do I know? All three of the Sony stereos my mother has had have had "error protection", and none of them could get through an album without sticking. Nor can her new LG model. My £8 Tesco CD player without any "error protection" of any kind? No problems beside an occasional crackle on seriously damaged discs.

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When you find a 100-pack of BlueRay Disc's cheap, let me know

and part of why there so cheap is because they are produced in such numbers, and this means the same idea would apply if they moved to a different form of data storage, you can get a keydrive now from a few pounds, the cheapest one i've got cost about 3 pounds in a sale, plus you can now get them with a few GB's.

i won't get a BlueGay Drive till there extreamly cheap, or i can get one free

Edit: Have you heard of the UHDVD Format, BlueRays possable replacement It requires a mimumum of about 50 inches on you screen, but with higher resolution, and if i remember right it should be available from about 2010 to 2012, dont you just feel like your being ripped off?

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For 450 GB worth of DVDs I payed £20, that's 22.5 GB/£

Did your keydrive give you 67.5 GB?

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if you want a blueray then good for you go get one, but at got fed up of having over 6 different drives for different types of media, hense why i have a USB Hub and just copy everythink to keydrives, there easier to use, Lasts Longer, and overall cheaper as i no longer have to worrie about upgrading my drives, Scratched Discs, Ect.

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Well, if you buy a BD burner it would handle CD, DVD and BD. 1 drive only. At the moment I'm getting nothing as a DVD burner is all I need. Great not only for storage but also for playing DVD movies and burning discs for others. I rather burn a disc then giving away a keydrive any day. Optical discs also plays in standalone players. Like if I film I can burn down the movies on a DVD and give away or play it at a friends house.

I think an USB HDD rack would be a smarter buy then keydrives if you ask me. I got a 500 GB USB HDD (not a rack) that is very handy for storage. Of course it requires an external power supply but you can hook it up and move large amounts of data to and from it at once.

Or you can get smaller USB drive like a WD Passport that doesn't require any external power (available up to 320 GB). I would say one of those would replace all your keydrives in one easy to use package.

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Quote: "Optical discs also plays in standalone players"
Not all of them. But yeah, most of them.

Quote: "I think an USB HDD rack would be a smarter buy"
Yeah, I have about 2.5TB of external 3.5" drives at the minute. A rack is a good idea especially those clever RAID based ones that sort all your data out if a drive snuffs it. Just is quite expensive and you basically lose one drive for the peace of mind.

Quote: "you can get smaller USB drive like a WD Passport that doesn't require any external power (available up to 320 GB)"
Yeah, I have a 160gb Buffalo. But not *quite* true about the power. Has to be a powered USB port, and then has to be enough power. My laptop rejects the drive after a bit because of a power surge (ie. not enough power). Also Buffalo just announced a new 500gb version of my one. Is tempting, but costs a *lot* more than the 3.5" version.

Personally love my USB sticks. *Always* works and big enough to be well useful these days. I have a few, with my main ones being 4gb in size. Once 32gb ones are quite affordable then that will be the mutt nuts.

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Quote: "CD, DVD and BD"

I don't think BD handles the CD, only DVD and BD. (I think)


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Haha of course it handles regular CDs Stick an audio CD in a PS3 and see.


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well blu-ray wins, my dad owes me $10
now just to wait until there cheap like dvd's..........when eva that will happen.

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The history of the war
If anyone wanna read the 2 year story. I won't bother but I found it anyway.

BD vs HD-DVD
I found this short article to be of interest though. It's about the differences between the two different versions of the latest Harry Potter. As shown later (here) the BD version sold 11% more which may have influenced Warner to drop HD-DVD. Personally I would have gone with the additional documentary in the BD.

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Kevin Picone:
Links have already been posted to two articles referring the official statement.



Because people don't ever read the last post on a page I post this again:

The history of the war
If anyone wanna read the 2 year story. I won't bother but I found it anyway.

BD vs HD-DVD
I found this short article to be of interest though. It's about the differences between the two different versions of the latest Harry Potter. As shown later (here) the BD version sold 11% more which may have influenced Warner to drop HD-DVD. Personally I would have gone with the additional documentary in the BD.

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Instead of starting a new thread I'll just continue on this one.

MS pulls 360 HD-DVD player

Quote: "Microsoft Corp. said it will stop making HD DVD players for its Xbox 360 video game system after Toshiba Corp. ceded the high-definition video format battle to Sony Corp.'s Blu-ray."


I wonder if they plan to start selling BD players now? If not then 360 owners have no way of playing HD media and have to buy a standalone BD player (or a PS3 ). The 360 is also stuck with DVDs for games.

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And to think, all this time I was convinced HD DVD was going to win the format war. But no everyone is planning to stop selling it seems. I seen this lady in Wal-Mart the other day buying an HD DVD Player I wanted so much to tell her that Wal-Mart was soon to stop carrying HD DVD. Everyone is trying to get rid of them and don't plan on carrying them anymore.
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Quote: "The 360 is also stuck with DVDs for games."


I haven't heard of any developers complaining about the DVD size yet. And I'd rather not play an interactive movie, thank you.


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Jeku:
Not yet but I've read about a few PS3 games filling out a BD, don't recall if it was 25 or 50 GB though. The thing with these new games is that textures, geometry and sounds increases in size and amount because the hardware can push it. There are still a handful of years left of this generation and media is bound to go up in size. Also a BD can store speech in multiple languages (used in Heavenly Sword).

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Quote: "few PS3 games filling out a BD, don't recall if it was 25 or 50 GB though"


Then I have one word for them.
Compress.

Speech is perfectly acceptable in MP3, 64kbps, although 128 is recommended. Textures and models, when compressed/saved in the right formats (NOT DDS, but the PS3 wouldn't use that anyway, would it?) don't take up 20Gb. And I'm certain that with 8 processors, surely one is spare to decompress on the fly. And anyhow, when the scene is often drowned in focal blur and glasses smudging effects (sorry, I mean bloom) who can tell if the textures are compressed?


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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 00:52 Edited at: 27th Feb 2008 00:53
Quote: "The thing with these new games is that textures, geometry and sounds increases in size and amount because the hardware can push it."


I'm not talking about Lair and other games that have a heavy amount of high def video. No amount of textures and geometry should fill up a BD, at least not until we start having games that look like Finding Nemo in real time. I have never, ever heard of a developer complaining about the limitations on a regular DVD.


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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 16:17
NeX:
Real time decompression is a waste of power when you can store it uncompressed on the disc. When the camera gets close to objects you can really see the detail of the textures, especially on a 40" HD TV

Jeku:
Well, you know more about that then me. Personally, I think FMVs can add to a game as long as the game itself as good as well. I loved the videos in Warcraft 3 for example.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 16:52
Quote: "Real time decompression is a waste of power when you can store it uncompressed on the disc. When the camera gets close to objects you can really see the detail of the textures, especially on a 40" HD TV"


A waste of power? It's barely nothing to decompress an mp3, or an image or whatever. Unless the PS3 is as slow as a Pentium 1... Besides you can fit enough uncompressed media on a 4.7GB disk for a large game, nevermind 8GB+. The ONLY thing that makes games exceed 8gb disks are uncompressed HD videos and possibly music. Which is ok I guess, but i'd rather have a game than half a game and lots of pretty HD videos since the nice videos will prolly take the longest time to develop.

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