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Natflash Games
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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 19:23 Edited at: 19th Feb 2008 19:56
I bought vista ultimate quite a while ago, and then went back to XP because of the performance issues (the only reasn for it was games) so now I upgraded my hardware:
Geforce 8800GT 512mb
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and all the less important stuff...
So should I upgrade to vista for the sake of Directx 10? Or will it just be the same cock up it was last time??

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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 19:46 Edited at: 19th Feb 2008 19:46
I've had no issues with performance on my vista machine, with higher end hardware. Sure it might run a few frames slower than with xp, but the directx10 benefits are nice

I'd upgrade, or you could always dual boot.


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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 21:19
There has been quite a few windows updates to fix some of the performance issues that plagued the original release and SP1 is floating around at the moment to make things even better.

I have both XP and Vista on my new pc and not seen any problems with performance, although XP still 'seems' faster and more efficient. Vista is going to take some getting used to.

I do however know a lot of people that are having severe problems with Vista, specially business users, but that is mainly down to companies selling them severly underspecced pcs with Vista preinstalled. Can you believe there are still repuatable companies selling pcs with 512MB of RAM, lousy graphics cards and then putting Vista on it. Never seen pcs struggle so much to run simple stuff.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 21:47
Short answer: No.

Long answer: No, keep XP, and get Ubuntu.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 22:08
Quote: "and get Ubuntu."

He wants to play games, so that's pointless.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 22:09 Edited at: 19th Feb 2008 22:10
Your system is better then mine (ok, I got more ram), and vista runs quite well on mine. With Aero turned on it is a bit slow, and laggy, but my graphics card is quite bad, and you can turn it off. So I´m pretty sure your computer can take it, the question is if you would like vista or not. If you would like it, then the answer is yes otherwise it is no, and if you do not know, it can be good to try so you know what you think of it (in that case I strongly suggest either an dual boot or that you backup things you want to have left). However, if you need vista for some reason, say dx10 games, then I would suggest an dual boot.

n008 suggests you try Ubuntu out. It is not an good gaming OS, so if gaming is the main thing you want to do Ubuntu is not an good chois of OS, but I prefer it to any version of windows. It is free, so you just need to download it to test it. In the case of Ubuntu, and if you do not want to take any real risks, you can either dual boot (very easy to setup, Ubuntu does the hard work for you in most cases), it try it out in an virtualization program, as an example Virtual Box. It is an great OS, but work a bit different then windows, and is not good at gaming.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 22:11
I just try and convert, convert, convert at every turn.

Vista is ok if you've got a leet box and are hell bent on gaming.

Just remember to turn everything off except for the stuff that is just needed to keep the OS on when you play a game.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 22:15
Ubuntu is great, but we are all different and not everyone would like it. I prefer to tell people about how it is rather then "get Ubuntu", and then let them decide themselves because ultimately it is their choise.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 22:20
Well I'd think that telling them to try it is easier than explaining it out every time, and being ignored.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 23:05
Well thanks for the info guys, Ubuntu really doesnt seem like anything im intersted in, I think I'll just wait and see what SP1 does.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 23:12
Yeah, well, just hope you will get satesfied with SP1 then .

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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 23:15 Edited at: 19th Feb 2008 23:17
Enjoy Vista, and also, SP1 will most likely brick your machine

Personally, after buying a copy, I was disappointed. It offered me nothing over XP what so ever, but at a lesser performance. DX10 may appear 'leet', but think about - most of the games for DX10 are also available for DX9, and have little visual difference. So with DX10 gone, why bother?

My only response to that was that media center was the only decent recording app that supported my TV Tuner, but that wasn't enough to hold me to an OS, that so far, I have disliked.


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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 23:35
Grrrrr! lol they should just stop the madness and allow DX10 on XP!


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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 23:38
Quote: "Enjoy Vista, and also, SP1 will most likely brick your machine"


SP1 hasn't been released to consumers yet, only to software devs so they can work on making sure their programs work well on SP1. I'm sure that little bug has been long since squished, and if not, will be by the time it's released in Mid March.

But as it stands, go for Vista. Your system should run it fine, and after switching to Vista from XP, I can't stand using XP again.

As for Ubuntu...well, if you gain an immense pleasure from working your ass off for doing simple things, then I recommend it wholeheartedly. It's a fun OS to use, but can be a pain at times too.



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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 23:48
Quote: "SP1 hasn't been released to consumers yet, only to software devs so they can work on making sure their programs work well on SP1."


The version that is breaking machines is RC1, which is the same version that was released to manufacture - i.e. it is the finished SP1


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Posted: 19th Feb 2008 23:55 Edited at: 19th Feb 2008 23:57
Quote: "As for Ubuntu...well, if you gain an immense pleasure from working your ass off for doing simple things, then I recommend it wholeheartedly. It's a fun OS to use, but can be a pain at times too."


Ubuntu is not that bad when it comes to this. Have had some (not meny) problems, but they are more related to my hardware then the OS, since most people do not have them. And they could all be solved quite easierly. Except for one, but that one was an result of me fideling with my partitions and is nothing any "ordinary" computer user will come across. Would not say you have to work your ass of for the simplest things. I have had harder time fixing the problems I get in windows then in Ubuntu. Pors and cons.

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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 00:08
I believe there will be a series of patches that will be released when SP1 comes out that will fix any installation problems.

People are always going "Vista sucks", before people were going "XP sucks" and they eventually got over it, and eventually another OS will come out and people will be like "it sucks, get Vista"...

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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 00:28 Edited at: 20th Feb 2008 00:33
Quote: "Ubuntu is not that bad when it comes to this. Have had some (not meny) problems, but they are more related to my hardware then the OS, since most people do not have them. And they could all be solved quite easierly. Except for one, but that one was an result of me fideling with my partitions and is nothing any "ordinary" computer user will come across. Would not say you have to work your ass of for the simplest things. I have had harder time fixing the problems I get in windows then in Ubuntu. Pors and cons."


Yes, many problems I've seen with linux revolve around hardware. For example, the last time I tried linux at all before recently was Suse Linux. At the time, I couldn't get my mouse pointer to display. At all. After a bit of research I found out it was a conflict with my motherboard. So I gave it up.

But I've been working with Ubuntu a lot lately, against my preference. My brothers computer had been fried (he unplugged his computer from his surge protector to plug in a guitar amp for a bit, plugged it into a wall, and poof, got the PSU and the motherboard), so he had me install Ubuntu on his Playstation 3.

I guess I was being a bit unfair with that statement. I consider it a pain because every five minutes my brother complains that he can't play a certain format of media, or can't open a certain file, or read off of an external hard drive, and I have to go hunt down a solution for him every night.

Where in Windows, my brother could comfortably search for a codec through google, doing the same for linux gives you the names of some packages that need to be installed, which may or may not require dependencies, which can all be gathered by the included Package Manager with little trouble for someone with even very little patience. But he seems quite frightened about the thought of going through the package manager. I guess the broad range of open-sourced software busts his mind.

I mean, on my desktop I guess Ubuntu isn't so bad. I have it setup for dual booting, Vista on my larger hard drive to accommodate my games, and Ubuntu on the hard drive I had XP on originally, and switch between them every once in a while when I want to tinker with something in Linux, or re-size a partition on a hard drive without formatting, etc, etc. Really useful at times.

Quote: "The version that is breaking machines is RC1, which is the same version that was released to manufacture - i.e. it is the finished SP1"


Well here's hoping Microsoft sorts things out regardless. From the reviews of SP1, it's been increasing performance in multiple areas, and any speed increase is welcome.



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Have never really had any problem with media formats that I couldn´t solve with very little trouble (if any), so I guess we just have different experiance. And in the case you are talking about, I definatly understand what you mean . If I had an brother always asking me to do everything every five minutes like that, I would get pretty frustrated myself.

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Quote: "People are always going "Vista sucks", before people were going "XP sucks" and they eventually got over it, and eventually another OS will come out and people will be like "it sucks, get Vista"..."


Actually no.

XP was probably the most stable, easiy, and effectiuve OS MS made past 3.1.

Vista is awful.

Like, terribly awful.

Definately not because I don't have it, I do.

I hate it.

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Why?

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It is slow, unorganized, I hate the look and feel, securtiy and portability issues, printer issues, doesn't allow me to do anything pass the GUI interface without making me sign my name in six languages and fingerprint me, just to name a few.

I spent an hour digging around in my attic looking for an old cable mouse, because Vista needed my permission to install my logitech wireless mouse, which I couldn't do because the keyboard was locked out for some strange reason, and when I finally did, the system restarted! WTF

So yea, headaches all around.

I could have written half an LFS OS with all the time wasted dicking around Vista's monotonous, redundancies.

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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 02:46 Edited at: 20th Feb 2008 02:47
Quote: "It is slow, unorganized"


it's slow probably because of your computer, wich most likely is slow, that's not vista's fault, and i dont think it's any less organized than any other versions of windows, if anything i think it's better.

I havent had any trouble with vista and my experience using it has been just great. I like it more than xp, sure i had to get used to the look of it, but after a while using it, i started to like it.

stuff..
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I just came here to be a grammer/spelling nazi and point out that agen is spell A-G-A-I-N, not A-G-E-N

Firefox comes with a spell checker built in, I recommend it for those who can't spell.

If it was mispelled on purpose as slang or txt msg shrthnd, then I'm too old to recognize it as such.

Oh, and stay away from vista.

That is all.

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Quote: "The version that is breaking machines is RC1, which is the same version that was released to manufacture - i.e. it is the finished SP1"


RC stands for Release Candidate, it doesn't guarentee it'll be the one that is finally shipped.

In-fact Vista itself had 3 Release Candidates, pushing back release itself until Microsoft felt it was ready for the public. Despite the reception it recieved, I've had it since release and don't have anything particularly bad to say about it.

The new releases of DirectX9/10 for Windows Vista as well as the current graphics drivers make the old issue of "will I loose 20fps?" a fairly moot point now with games running as well if not better (:coughGEARSOFWARcough on Vista.

Personally I side with Preston that once you've given Vista a chance you just can't go back to Windows XP. From outward appearance it doesn't seem much more than a face-lift for Vista really, but after a few weeks of use you realise there are hundreds of subtle changes that just make it a better platform on the whole.

Something I quite frankly am more happy about is the fact is it stable. We're not just talking "oh it doesn't crash as often", but Windows XP and all other previous versions really had a habit of the more you use them the slower they got. Especially with development tools, anti-virus scanners, office tools, etc...
Using Vista though, over-time the OS doesn't slow down it actually get faster at the common things you normally do.

Ignore all the hype about DirectX10 for a second, just take the OS on the merits it actually has. Personally I love having all of my games show up on the Game Browser, which is a click away.

I like being able to use the sidebar to have notes, and show me RSS Feeds as and when they're updated.

I really like having boot up times that don't take so long I actually end up watching entire programs on TV while I'm waiting for Windows to stop loading all of those applications that it feels I need.

It's so much easier to see the system specs, change visual attributes, change options in the control panel. You feel safer knowing Anti-Virus, Anti-Spyware and Firewalling is a fully integrated feature; not something added at the last second in a Service Pack to help stave constant attacks.

There is a peace of mind knowing that every application installed must have the adminstration approval to access sensitive areas of the Hard Disk; again protecting the OS.

It's nice to know that Windows itself will discover ANY network attached or any device without requiring mountains of drivers; and they will become instantly available upon detection.

Not having to restart the entire OS because of a crash, even in the video drivers; or even a simple fact of installing video drivers the system can install and use them without rebooting.

Having secure purchases with CardSpace, Windows Marketplace and Microsoft Music with everything handled through Windows itself. Knowing that Live is integrated throughout the OS meaning one sign-in is all I need to be able to use every live service attached to that particular LiveID.

It good to have the 64-bit version completely compatible with 32-bit and below software. Being able to run all older Windows software right down to 8-bit DOS applications without issues that plagued older versions of Windows.

Explorer, Internet Explorer and the Search facility all being intergrated with each other. A Task Manager that shows you not only the basic information, but also all of the services currently in use, and complete OS debugging to discover what programs are doing and when.

Parental Controls built-in to make sure that Television, Movies, Music and Games can all be controlled along with the time users are allowed to be on the system.

A Hibernation mode that powers down to minimal standby within seconds and also returns within seconds rather than minutes.

As I said, the question of what Vista has over XP is easily glossed over back the fact that usability wise Vista has no real advantage over XP that shines through. Reality is though it's the fact that it's hundreds of little aspects that have been tweaked, improved or just complete re-made in order to just make life easier.

An OS is suppose to make your life easier so you don't have to think so much about the everyday aspects and just get on with what you want to. Vista in my eyes is one of the first Windows to really make that statement true.

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My answer: With that setup? Yes, of course.

Vista, in my opinion, is more user-friendly & accessible, for me, it has been stable as possible and it is definitely more organized and heightens productivity. A bit like Office 2007, really, at first its really getting used to it - but when you've got it down, you won't want to switch back. There's so many improvements and as Raven so perfectly stated, for those that didn't bother to read it:

Quote: "As I said, the question of what Vista has over XP is easily glossed over back the fact that usability wise Vista has no real advantage over XP that shines through. Reality is though it's the fact that it's hundreds of little aspects that have been tweaked, improved or just complete re-made in order to just make life easier.

An OS is suppose to make your life easier so you don't have to think so much about the everyday aspects and just get on with what you want to. Vista in my eyes is one of the first Windows to really make that statement true."



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I have a lot of irritations with vista, but I have to agree... most of them are just about me being comfortable with XP. I'm sure I'll love it once I start using it more.

One of the irritations that does still stand is the fact that when I go to open some programs, it asks me if I want to grant administrator rights and then asks me if I want to open the file (or vise versa not sure). It's kind of implied that I'm trying to run a program if I click on it... Same thing with copying files over from my flash drive sometimes. Vista freaks out and asks me if I'm sure I want to do it, and I'm thinking "Yeah~ I just took time to drag and drop the file nub..."
I forget the fancy name for it, but I turned off that checking feature or whatever. It solved that problem, but apparently it's a huge security deal with vista and now I get an annoying red sign in the corner of my screen telling me to turn it back on.

I just don't like fighting to get my way with an OS. I could see this permission thing being useful for programs that are executing in the background without my knowledge... but for programs I have 'clicked' on? No... the intent is implied when I run a program. Yes, grant it rights =P

There are a lot of amazing things about vista though. I really like how they did the wireless stuff, it makes it really easy to connect.

My laptop is already running on it, and it runs fine performance wise. I'm thinking about using it more once I get my desk cleaned off. I'll hook it up to my 19" widescreen and it should allow me to enjoy it better than fighting it over a 15" laptop screen.

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Quote: "it's slow probably because of your computer, wich most likely is slow, that's not vista's fault, and i dont think it's any less organized than any other versions of windows, if anything i think it's better."

That must be exactly why it uses 3x more ram.

Quote: "it's slow probably because of your computer"

Right, so now not only is my OS not good enough, but neither is my hardware.
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Main problem I have is copying and deleting files. There is a known bug that causes Vista to sometimes just sit there for like 10 minutes copying or deleting even the smallest files. Is rare but it does happen. And XP has no worries. Apparently SP1 fixes the problem. Hope so...

I have a couple of gripes where sometimes it looks like the whole system has frozen for a minute and then it turns out to have been doing something or other (XP was more likely to freeze an application than the whole system), plus I have no major worries with it asking me if I am ok to do something (admin priviliges for example) but I've noticed, especially on software installations, that it takes an age to ask. Typically it will get halfway across on the progress bar and then sit there for like a minute, then it will ask for my permission to do something before continuing happily. Same installation on XP zoomed all the way through without pausing. So I can only assume it is the permission thing taking a long time to ask me. Apparently you can turn it off though.

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Yeah, its called UAC and you can turn it off this way. I keep it on though, with my family requiring my password for most tasks. First time in years I don't have to repair the computer every two weeks. I love it!

2GB RAM is a minimum nowadays. If Vista uses too much RAM, it's your computer being old, not the OS being new.


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Agen... Not again, hehe didnt even notice I did that until now


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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 17:54 Edited at: 20th Feb 2008 18:00
Quote: "RC stands for Release Candidate, it doesn't guarentee it'll be the one that is finally shipped."


I know what RC stands for, but considering that it appears to be the only RC released, it is likely very similar if not the same one that was RTM.

They may well have fixed the flaw prior to the RTM build, but I assume that if they had, they would have warned downloaders of RC1 of the flaw (considering the major setback it causes)

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2GB RAM is a minimum nowadays. If Vista uses too much RAM, it's your computer being old, not the OS being new.
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That's total trash. Vista should at least run adequately with 1.25 gig on my machine. It doesn't. It must be the worst performing operating system I have ever used. Even Windows 95 on my old 150Mhz P1 performed better generally than Vista once it had started up.

And the fact I can run say, a Linux distrib + Compiz, very well performance-wise, raises questions on where Vista is pulling the performance plug. If it isn't using extra RAM for anything useful (since it sure doesn't offer me anything versus XP) and it isn't using it for display (even though that'd be GPU related anyhow) then where is it going?

2 Gig isn't minimum. It's minimum for a vastly inefficient ineffective and vastly overpriced OS that offers little more than XP did. q.e.d


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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 18:10 Edited at: 20th Feb 2008 18:11
Well thanks everybody for your replies, I did have vista at one point, I did like it too, but I used it for gaming, and I got a huge performance increase when I came back to XP.

So my question is again lol
Has it been improved enough through hotfixes to keep the performance hit to a minimum (in games) ?

My HDD's crap too so a dual boot isn't really an option.


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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 18:36 Edited at: 20th Feb 2008 18:42
Quote: "That's total trash. Vista should at least run adequately with 1.25 gig on my machine. It doesn't. It must be the worst performing operating system I have ever used. Even Windows 95 on my old 150Mhz P1 performed better generally than Vista once it had started up."


I built a computer for a friend of mine, setup for gaming in DX10 whenever companies decided to start using it. At the beginning of this school year, he moved down to live on campus at Drexel University. Shortly after, one of his sticks of RAM went dud on him, and left him with 1 GB of RAM. To this day he claims Vista runs just fine on that amount of RAM.

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Quote: "And the fact I can run say, a Linux distrib + Compiz, very well performance-wise, raises questions on where Vista is pulling the performance plug. If it isn't using extra RAM for anything useful (since it sure doesn't offer me anything versus XP) and it isn't using it for display (even though that'd be GPU related anyhow) then where is it going?"


Doesn't Vista use extra RAM to store frequently used applications, and releases it as required? Makes things snappy for me.



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Quote: "That must be exactly why it uses 3x more ram."

Vista uses more ram to make things run better. Unless your computer sucks, you should have more than enough RAM. Yes Vista may take up 50% of my RAM without much of anything going, do I care? No. Do I ever run out of RAM? No. So why does it matter?

Vista is also more stable than XP, especially 64 bit. Mine has never crashed. XP had issues, and got slower as I loaded more stuff onto it. Vista hasn't.

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Once again, I can't understand how Vista can be more reliable than XP, because XP (at least my Home Edition) is solid as a rock. It's crashed unrecoverably twice since I've had it, both times in that poorly coded pile of junk that is Halo.

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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 18:57 Edited at: 20th Feb 2008 19:00
Quote: "I built a computer for a friend of mine, setup for gaming in DX10 whenever companies decided to start using it. At the beginning of this school year, he moved down to live on campus at Drexel University. Shortly after, one of his sticks of RAM went dud on him, and left him with 1 GB of RAM. To this day he claims Vista runs just fine on that amount of RAM."


Runs just fine isn't a comparison to anything else though. He could run it just fine, and then switch to XP, and run a whole lot faster. '"Just fine" is very relative, since it's very difficult to say where something becomes unusable rather than fine. Slow could be 'fine' in the opinion of a user. Who knows?

Quote: "Doesn't Vista use extra RAM to store frequently used applications, and releases it as required? Makes things snappy for me.
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Prefetch on XP was fast enough thanks.

Quote: "Yes Vista may take up 50% of my RAM without much of anything going, do I care? No. Do I ever run out of RAM? No. So why does it matter?"


You realise that after running out of RAM, Windows will page to the hard disk, right? So technically you'll never run out of 'RAM'. Whether you run out of actual, physical RAM is a different story


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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 19:09
Quote: "2GB RAM is a minimum nowadays. If Vista uses too much RAM, it's your computer being old, not the OS being new."


if your OS uses more ram than the latest gen pc games, then im sorry, but the OS is new.

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 19:42
Just what are these developers using all this bloody RAM for anyway? Images are stored in the graphics card, sounds are quite a biggie but if the developers were using sensible formats/quality settings, you could get the sound RAM down to maybe 10Mb. AI path finding memory shouldn't be more than a meg or two, actual code shouldn't be over 5Mb and that's a bit ridiculous. Physics engine data? 5Mbish in most cases. That adds up to maybe 30Mb. Even taking into account other stuff, bad coding and otherwise memory leaks, why do games need in excess of 300Mb in many cases?

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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 20:57 Edited at: 20th Feb 2008 23:26
Quote: "You realise that after running out of RAM, Windows will page to the hard disk, right? So technically you'll never run out of 'RAM'. Whether you run out of actual, physical RAM is a different story"


I am well aware. I've got physical RAM usage monitored on my keyboard, and it never even close to fills up.

Sid Sinister
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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 21:48
Eh, I finally turned UAC back on. I'm not going to fight with the red dot. I'd rather be annoyed and be secure, than be annoyed and not be secure. lol.

And... here's a dumb question. Somehow, I deleted my trash bin in vista and can't seem to get it back. I can get the shortcut to the trash bin on my desktop, but not the actual program. Help? I'm a vista nub

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Satchmo
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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 21:53
Goto "change desktop icons" in properties after right clicking desktop. Vista runs speedy quick here on 1 gig of ram, a built in graphics card and a 1.8 ghz dual core, no slowdown here.

Mr Z
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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 22:24 Edited at: 20th Feb 2008 22:28
Yeah, well, you got an dual core. I have an single core AMD 1.79 GHz 3500+, and got 4 gb ram installed (but vista connot se all), plus an integrated and bad graphics card, and for me it works quite well, but it is a bit slow. Not THAT slow (I solved that by turning Aero off), but still a bit slow. Have much to do with what hardware and what drivers you have, but I would still call Vista for an slow operating system. Not saying Vista is bad, I do concider it as an decent OS, but that it is slower then xp on my computer, and a lot of people have the same problem. Others do not.

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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 23:04
This will answer the questionhttp://www.cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20070331

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Posted: 20th Feb 2008 23:14
Lol.

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Posted: 21st Feb 2008 02:14
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Posted: 21st Feb 2008 13:41
I'm a self-proclaimed linux fanboy (well, maybe not fanboy, as I hope I'm a bit smarter than the average fanboy). 2 weeks ago I bought a new laptop, dual core, 2 gigs of ram, and a decent GPU, and it came with Vista Home Premium. I've not yet bothered to install linux, or even XP, as Vista works like a dream for me. Very fast, faster than XP ever was for me, about the same as linux running at its best. Haven't checked memory usage, because everything has been running fine, including games, apart from UT:GOTY which is having weird speed issues.
I personally think that Vista is better for newer PCs, it's just makes better use of the newer hardware (of course if it was less bloated itself it'd be faster, but it still beats XP). For exactly the same reason I moved from Windows 2000 to XP, when it became apparent that despite all the extra cr*p tagged on, it still ran faster.

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Posted: 21st Feb 2008 15:45
I walked away from my computer for 5 minutes, came back, and vista had restarted it because of updates... I lost my code.

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Posted: 21st Feb 2008 16:40 Edited at: 21st Feb 2008 16:56
All those restarts in windows are a bit annoying, espessialy if you use linux and you are not used to them.

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Posted: 21st Feb 2008 18:52
Quote: "I walked away from my computer for 5 minutes, came back, and vista had restarted it because of updates... I lost my code. "


You should save more often, I save my projects constantly

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