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da power pwnerer
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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 20:58
I made myself a ouija (Commonly pronounced as "weejee") board last night. I have talked to a handful of family members that have passed away in previous years, such as my great aunt, great grandmother, and grandfather, as well as some spirits that I have never met, such as a man named Alan, Oz, and James.

I was curious to know how many people have used these boards and/or believe in them. I know I do



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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 21:00
Two words for you: Ideomotor effect


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 21:05 Edited at: 23rd Feb 2008 21:06
It couldn't be, because with the Ideomotor Effect, the user make move unconsciously, and with a Ouija Board, the user is awake and alive. And besides, I've never met my Great Grandmother before she died, so I wouldn't know what her answers would be.



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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 21:23 Edited at: 23rd Feb 2008 21:52
Try it blindfolded for some time, having a bystander take notes on what letters are selected. I'm betting the results then will just be jumbled letters. Prove me wrong.

Quote: "the user make move unconsciously, and with a Ouija Board, the user is awake and alive"


They don't mean unconscious as in the medical sense, they mean unconscious as in you simply do not realise it is you moving the pointer/glass/whatever.

Quote: "I've never met my Great Grandmother before she died, so I wouldn't know what her answers would be."


If you've never met her then how do you know the answers you were given were correct?

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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 21:24
Do it blindfolded and video the responses. After all, the answers are not yours so you don't need to look.

What is your name?

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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 21:24 Edited at: 23rd Feb 2008 21:25
........really?

Try this, blindfold yourself, and then have someone tell you what you spelled out. My physic powers are telling me: You'll have an incomprehensible message.

EDIT: HEH, looks like im not the only one to know that ^


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 21:26 Edited at: 23rd Feb 2008 21:27
I personally think its a load of old Tosh.
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And besides, I've never met my Great Grandmother before she died, so I wouldn't know what her answers would be."

So how is that supposed to prove you are not making it up?

What is billy jones' favorite saying?

"Two pairs for the price of 3 makes any meal worth getting is a state for"

I don't know billy jones... therefore the above must be correct.

da power pwnerer
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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 21:31
Quote: "Do it blindfolded and video the responses. After all, the answers are not yours so you don't need to look.

What is your name?

Schcrdlmph"


Quote: "A word may come through with all of the letters but in the wrong order. That is why it is best to have someone not using the board - writing the letters as they come through. A name may come through as ICMAHEL - meaning MICHAEL. Remember that not all spirits speak in your language. Some spirits have trouble spelling words or creating sentences. "


Is what I believe.
Remember, I'm not saying that everything in the Ouija board is 100% true or real, all is what I am saying is I believe that it is true.



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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 21:39
Quote: "A word may come through with all of the letters but in the wrong order. That is why it is best to have someone not using the board - writing the letters as they come through. A name may come through as ICMAHEL - meaning MICHAEL. Remember that not all spirits speak in your language. Some spirits have trouble spelling words or creating sentences."

Sounds like someone trying to make excuses . "It didn't work.", "Yes it did, they just speak another language.", or "They are just having trouble spelling words."


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 21:45
Quote: "Sounds like someone trying to make excuses"


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 21:46
Just because it is on a website doesn't make it true. And that is quite an obvious excuse.

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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 21:48
I think this thread is dead already, all it will do from here is descend into pointless argument.


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 21:51
Once, again, I was just curious as to what you guys think of it. I already said that it is just what I believe.



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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 21:53
As you can probably tell, most people don't think much of it.

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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 22:23
The Ouija boards do work. Before the results show of American Idol, I asked it who would be eliminated. It spelled "Sanjaya," and the next day, we watched the results show live, and that was who got eliminated.
If you blindfold yourself, then you can't do it.

Seriously, how do you make the little blue text come up below your message?
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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 22:31
Quote: "unconscious "


There's a difference between unconscious and subconscious. He obviously meant subconscious.

@ pwnerer, unfortunately it's been pretty much proven that these boards don't work to talk to ghosts, it only works when you look at the board, (or well acquainted with the board and know where all the characters are by heart).

It can, however, reveal a lot about you that you may not realize about yourself.

There's a lot of similar things you can do too.

One neat thing is to take a bolt and tie it to the end of a string. Hold the bolt off a table or something, and try to keep it still. Then, think of a question. If the bolt sways left to right, it means yes, if it sways up and down, it means no. If it circles, it means you don't know. Wiccans like to claim that it's all magical stuff, but it's very scientific, because you'll know when you don't know an answer, it won't give you one.

This actually works, and your mind subconsciously answers the questions for you. Way cool.

Another one that I've been thinking of trying out is "sleep-typing". You set up a keyboard and take off any buttons that delete characters or that allow you to switch away from the text editor or control the OS. Then, you fall asleep with the keyboard nearby. You might start typing stuff in your sleep. I've read about some people getting some.. uh.. let's say "interesting" results.


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 22:32
I hated Sanjaya. I don't understand why he/she/it made it that far in the first place. But anyway, I guess I'm not the only one that believes.




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Quote: "The Ouija boards do work. Before the results show of American Idol, I asked it who would be eliminated. It spelled "Sanjaya," and the next day, we watched the results show live, and that was who got eliminated.
If you blindfold yourself, then you can't do it.
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That's hardly proof. You had a what? 1 in x chance of guessing right? If you can use your board to come up with the some lotto numbers and hit the jackpot, I'll personally match your winnings


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 22:33 Edited at: 23rd Feb 2008 22:33
[edit: nm]


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 22:36 Edited at: 23rd Feb 2008 22:56
You know, the interesting thing is that i watched an episode of friends today. Guess what they were doing. That's right, playing with the sanity dispenser.

Actually i get offended by things like this. I think about the thought that my kids or grandkids did the same thing and came up with fake information about me that i enjoy playing with barbies (okay, that one might be true) or that my middle name is Schcrdlmph. I don't like that at all. I mean, talk about dishonoring the dead.

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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 22:37
Quote: "Go here and scroll down



-Dan"

I'm not saying that you're the somebody trying to make excuses...


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2008 23:53
Just because you believe in the Ouija board doesn't make your beliefs some unquestionable sacred thing, people don't believe in it because if a spirit wanted to get in touch with you they'd find a better way than having you sit down and slide a glass around a board.
Why don't you just stick a pen and paper on the table and let them write it themselves.

Do the blindfold test, I will eat my words if it comes out as something legible. (not an anagram of something legible)

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Did somebody say WEEGEE?



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If you want to participate in Ouija boards and believe in them, go ahead, but I see no sense of logic or realism in the how these work...like 'what magical powers does a piece of wood, plastic, paint or crystal have that'll allow the dead to contact us?' How would you give such things properties to contact the dead and unfortunately I'll say these sort of things are a running theme in gypsy culture and well gypsies often found ways to make money and your classic 'ghost' trick playing with people minds or telling people future or something that sound 'life changing' will work as a gimmick to get people to pay them money.

And it's a culture that's taken spiritualists, not that I dismiss any 'spiritual' properties in the world, but things like Ouija boards or Tarot cards fail to make any sense to me. (Particularly Tarot cards, I read through a Tarot book, most of the 'cards' meant something that could change my life and managed to relate to it, because they're generic enough things worded in a way to sound personal...so incidentally my 'Tarot reading' turned out to be something that works.)

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I don't believe ouija boards offer any way to contact anyone who has passed but I do understand that for people who do believe, they could possibly help them get over their loss or help them with other problems in life.

Someone who is just curious and experiments with things like this is ok in my book. What I don't agree with is when people start making money out of things like this, out of peoples grief.

Ofcourse those people would claim they were helping people cope with their grief or that whatever method they used was completely legit.

Now allow me to dismount my soapbox.

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Anything where a person's state of well being is used as a means to a material end is wrong - even if it helps the person, the intention isn't exactly a good one. But hey I suppose psychiatrists are payed...do they do it to help, to get paid or both? So then does it matter if a gypsy does the same? Just acting as a folk psychiatrist as oppose to a medical one.

I can see how grief can be helped, there are probably more healthy ways of getting over grief, but everybody needs to latch onto the thing that bests fits them...if in their minds they can see themselves talking to the spirit of the dead person, then it's good for their grief - most definitely.

But other than that, I find it extremely difficult to accept it as a serious belief, I don't mind people believing in it because as long as they're not hurting anyone, people should believe what they believe...and of course with any belief, I think it's healthy for a person believing something should confront (voluntarily) the criticisms over their belief.

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just be careful, nice things won't always be on the end of the line.


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Ouija boards DO "work" but I wouldn't say you're contacting who you think you are. My mom and aunt were very much so into the occult when they were teenagers. Things got worse and worse while doing stuff with Ouija boards and the other occultic stuff. My mom had many out of body experiences where she was able to watch herself and float through her house. Whatever was communicating to her through these practices started to get meaner and scarier all the time. At one point the foot of her mattress was bouncing up and down repeatedly. My aunt was still tormented by these demons long after they stopped messing with all that crap. She had at one time seen a dead man hanging at the top of their stairwell by his neck. There's a whole slew of these stories I could tell :\

Watch what you're doing dude. Actually, just stop messing with it. Believe me it's not cool stuff...

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Posted: 24th Feb 2008 03:22 Edited at: 24th Feb 2008 03:22
Alrighty!

Excuse my scepticism. I've had nightmares that seemed pretty real too.

They were _stories_ told to you after all. Even if by a family member, you can't take things like that as proof. My mother told me my dead grandma had taken back her old sweater. It was "obviously" grandma since she is dead and that was her sweater to begin with. As i figured, it was misplaced and found a day later under a pile of clothes.

Moral of the story: Mommies are crazy and delucional, don't listen to them.

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My aunt told me the same stories at completely unrelated times Either they are collaborating and orchestrating a lie or it was a really good coincidence

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Posted: 24th Feb 2008 03:28 Edited at: 24th Feb 2008 03:29
OR!!!

She's the SAME PERSON!

DUN DUN DUUUUUNNNH!!

Nah, my money is on coincidence. I've experienced strange stuff with ouija myself some 10 years back, but i blame placebo, Ideomotor effect amongs other. The mind is a powerful thing.


Edit @ OBese87's below post: That's placebo.

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Posted: 24th Feb 2008 03:28 Edited at: 24th Feb 2008 03:31
@Dink
Really?
I find it funny how people go into old buildings in the dark and sit around in a group, then they get scared when they hear a noise!
Everything like this is geared to making you anticipate something happening, so you convince yourself that it has happened. In that kind of situation being the one person who wasn't shrieking would make you look very strange if you see what I mean.

And I'm not going to say "If you believe in that then that's fine, it's your opinion" because I'm sick of saying that, it just makes people weak. If you really believe in it then you should be able to handle someone arguing with you (not saying that you're not handling it ).

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It was just my mom and her sister in my grandparents completely comfortable inviting finished basement. Nothing spooky down there. Dude, my mom has never lied to me. Why would she make something like that up? Why is the unexplained draw so much skepticism? I'm not saying every story or account is true, but many are.

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Nono, i'm not saying she's lying. She believes what she saw, that's not lying. I believe it's nightmares though, it's proven to a certain degree that people can often share dreams (or be that nightmares). That might be the case here, but i don't know. I can't possibly know. All i'm doing is speculating, and so are you, until you experience it yourself that is. Then you can draw conclusions.

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@Dink
When people are together they convince each other they've seen things they haven't to try and fit in, it's a natural reaction. Overreacting to slight movements when afraid also serves to test the response of others and reassure yourself that you are safe in the group.

When I was a kid I lived in a small village that had a spooky church with a long path leading up to it, there were rumours that people had seen a ghost sitting on top of a gravestone.
I had some friends round and we went up to "investigate", sure enough as we got to the bottom of the path we could see a bright glow that looked very eerie. We all worked each other up to a point were one of my friends vomited!
I pulled myself together and with a couple of others (half were still to scared) we walked up to the church and found that the glow was just a lamppost shining on a gravestone. Still pretty spooky though

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Quote: "When people are together they convince each other they've seen things they haven't to try and fit in, it's a natural reaction. "


Lol, whatever you say

I don't have to defend anything, believe what you all want. I was just giving a friendly warning to da power pwnerer not to get mixed up in this stuff.

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Quote: "I don't have to defend anything, believe what you all want. I was just giving a friendly warning to da power pwnerer not to get mixed up in this stuff."

Yeah but you know that wont have any effect
and in the end they'll pull off the rubber mask and gasp in shock when they see it was you all along! Pesky kids lol

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lol. Some of the experiences are hardly comparable to Scooby Doo

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@Dink: If it's any comfort, i think it is possible that events like this can happen when people try to play around with contacting spirits. It really is something to be left alone no matter what anyone else says.

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Thanks Crazy Ninja for the support. It'd be cool if people would come out and share any ...interesting... experiences with this stuff if they have any. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has relatives who've tried this queer stuff.

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I had a really strange experience once. I bought a quiche from Tescos... when I took it out of the box, to my surprise... Christian Bale was hiding in it. He truly is a crazy man.



Apparently he was practicing for his new role in an upcoming film

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About the occult stuff. I believe it messes with peoples heads in a bad way. I've heard many stories from people about it, and they are always convinced it's true. I don't doubt they believed what they saw. However, I believe it was hallucinations brought on by the way of thinking that you're lead into when you're doing witchcraft.

It's something I've studied, but definitely would not practice. My advice also is to ditch the Ouija board and anything else related.

Quote: "Tarot cards"


Now here's an odd one, a relative of mine used to be into it (and various other occult things, not as a wiccan, but just cuz it was interesting.) He dropped it when he was giving readings at a party and was coming up with scarily accurate results.

He says that it wasn't magic, it was that with the help of the cards, he was able to pick out subconsciously the details about people, and he got good at it.

It's not good to trust in someone you don't know to read you tarot cards, it can mess with your brains. I did it with a loved one and I'll tell you the results were creepy (and I did trust this person), and we weren't even good at using them. We were reading the instructions as we went along.

It's like peering into someone's head, it's invasive and just, creepy

I stay away from that kind of stuff now. I only participate solo, so to speak, in my psychological projects

Definitely not something I would hold to any religious standard. As it's all explainable very easily. If you go into it thinking that it's some sort of magic, then you're going to get that out of it, and probably regret it.

The phrase, "whatever energy a person puts out into the world, be it positive or negative, will be returned to that person three times" kind of holds true. If you go into this thing for selfish reasons, it's only going to make matters worse. If you go into it with the intent of understanding yourself better, and not believing in the results unanimously, it can help.


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There's a difference between unconscious and subconscious. He obviously meant subconscious."


Unconscious and subconscious are synonymous in psychology when applied to thought below the conscious mind (see Freud's work on the "Unconscious mind" etc.)


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Dink - Drop me a line, i'd love to hear some more about your relatives and their experiences.

Effect or not, the ouija board is just creepy and I wanna stay far far away from it, I have enough oddness without it.


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I don't know how far to dismiss Ouija boards and these things definitely come under the issue of religious experiences - or so they're called. And religious experiences face a lot of criticism because they tend to be illogical. One conclusion is that the 'experienced' will see what they expect and the mind will even go into great depths depending on how deep they think it's true and this can involve visions, after the unconscious (or subconscious mind) is capable of dreaming and the conscious mind can access the subconscious by some means and really these 'visions' can be just like dreams, playing on the thinks you expect, want or the last thing you were thinking about...And this is one reason why I find it hard to believe. Of course the criticisms have faced criticisms, because that's the amazing thing about philosophy an 'unified point of view' never exists.

People are great for exploring their beliefs and rock on for standing up for them - I just hope they're not going to make themselves deluded or obsessed about things they experience (as some do) because obsession and delusion tend to end up for the worst.

And I do consider the Occult a hazy and sort of dangerous (I'd say psychologically dangerous) area of belief.

Ouija boards, you're right Dink, they are not to get involved with - for whatever perspective you take, if it'll psychologically hurt you or the occult will hurt you.

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Posted: 24th Feb 2008 13:44
Well said Seppuku.

Dan - We're all just looking out for you, there are some nasty stories about the ouija and that has granted the "toy" as it is marketed around the vendors its infamous reputation to scare the bejeezes out of you and your mates. While some of these may be true, some may be fabricated as well, the occult, the spiritual, all are based very differently per person as no one person is the same. This is why we all have such varying criticisms and views on the subject, not everyone thinks the same so not everyone will see the same path, oh dear I'm rambling. Just be careful, might I suggest researching a method to cast a circle of protection, *it would at least make me feel better*, but only do what you're comfy with.

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Wow, this has got a lot more replies than I would've thought.

Quote: "Dan - We're all just looking out for you"


Don't worry, I know to only use a ouija board for seances and things like that, not to make life decisions or to hurt somebody else. So until a relative dies, the ouija board is being put away



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British psychics advice against using ouija boards, read about it here :-

http://www.psychics.co.uk/ouija.html
http://www.psychics.co.uk/afterlife/afterlife_ouija.html
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I added you to Yahoo Zombie.

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My ouija board told me to tell everyone to stop believing in ouija boards. Creepy.

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