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hyrichter
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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 15:33
Ok, since I didn't want to hijack the other thread about the legs on the bus, I figured I'd put this in a new thread. This is a question that my father gave to his Algebra II class as an extra credit assignment. He'd give weird problems like this about once a week and called them the "Problem of the week." This one one of my favorites. I don't have the exact way it went, but this should be close enough. This was titled "The Proof is in the Pudding."


A man said to a guest at his party, "I have three daughters, and I will tell you their ages. The product of their ages is 72, and the sum of their ages is my house number."

The guest runs out and looks at the house number. "I need more information," he says to the host.

"Oh, yes, of course! It's enough for you to know that the oldest likes strawberry pudding."

The man then tells the host the ages of the daughters.

Now, what are the ages of the girls, and what is the man's house number?


I would suggest anyone that figures it out put your answer in a code snippet so you don't ruin it for anyone else. Have fun.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 15:47
Before I give myself an aneurysm, are you sure you've told us all the information we need?, should we be told the house number too?


less is more, but if less is more how you keeping score?
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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 15:56 Edited at: 27th Feb 2008 15:57


I've done one similar a while ago. There is enough information... took me a while to figure it out though!

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 15:58
But 2 valid and possible answers?, what sort of a algebra question is that!


less is more, but if less is more how you keeping score?
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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 16:00 Edited at: 27th Feb 2008 16:15
I can email you the solution if you want... It does make sense.
When I first saw it ages ago, I thought it was impossible.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 16:18
I'm guessing that knowing that the eldest likes strawberry pudding means that there is just one eldest, and that may clinch it from the options available.
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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 16:30
If one of the daughters is only 1 then there are a lot options concerning the ages of the other two.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 16:36
I've told you all the information you need to know. Don't forget that it's possible for there to be twins.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 16:38
Spoiler.



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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 16:39
This DBP code gives you all the options:



Some could be ruled out as ridiculous (e.g 1,1,72), although the puzzle doesn't say this is impossible.
So is there something "American" about this that makes it workable? Such as something about house numbers?
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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 16:44
KerChing!

BigAdd has the correct solution. It's all about the process of elimination. Each step gets you closer, work out the possible answers at each stage.
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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 16:50
Yup it just hits you.
Spoiler:


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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 16:50
Thanks for letting us figure it out for ourselves BatVink.

I'll be sure not to send you a Christmas card this year.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 16:54
Well, unless the fact that his oldest daughter is not a twin somehow means that the other two are, why could it not be...



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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 16:58 Edited at: 27th Feb 2008 17:01
Since i personally was too lazy to calculate these values myself,
I got it off that posted website.
These are the only possible comibnations of ages and house numbers.








No i didn't look that up, I know it because its the one thousandth puzzle in my book of puzzles that I own.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 17:02
Quote: "Since the guest realized he needed more information AFTER he looked at the house number"


Ahhh... Thats the part that didn't click. Good one.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 18:19 Edited at: 27th Feb 2008 18:24


Right?


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Posted: 27th Feb 2008 21:49 Edited at: 27th Feb 2008 21:50



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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 00:09
Seriously, who has a house number with only 2 digits?


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Yeah that threw me, I was expecting something to make the number much larger than 2 digits, like a normal house .

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My house number is only 2 digits. 33.

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I've seen lots of houses with only 2 digits, but mostly they're in gated / private communities from what I've seen.

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Quote: "Seriously, who has a house number with only 2 digits?"


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Even if they're both 6 , one is older. They don't even have to be twins to be the same age. Otherwise nice puzzle.

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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 05:24
No, dude - that's totally wrong. They're born at the exact same moment, of course. How naive to believe all that stuff about twins being born after each other. It's propaganda, come on - I thought better of you...

Besides that, housenumbers above 100 are quite rare in my citish town or townish city.


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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 06:09
Ok, it looks like most people eventually figured out the right answer:


You know, there is the slight possibility that he had two 6 year old daughters with two different women, but we won't go there.

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Quote: "You know, there is the slight possibility that he had two 6 year old daughters with two different women, but we won't go there. "

*grins*


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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 09:18
this is a similar problem (one where you think you dont have all the info)

a man leaves his house to go hunting, he travels 5 kilometers south
he then travels 5 kilometers west, shoots a bear and travels 5 kilometers north to arrive back home.

what colour was the bear


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Just a guess

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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 12:26
Quote: "I've seen lots of houses with only 2 digits, but mostly they're in gated / private communities from what I've seen."


A private community such as the UK? I don't know about the rest of the world, but when we use numbering systems to identify things, we start at 1 and work upwards.
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Quote: "I don't know about the rest of the world, but when we use numbering systems to identify things, we start at 1 and work upwards."



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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 14:37
Quote: "I don't know about the rest of the world, but when we use numbering systems to identify things, we start at 1 and work upwards. "


Unless "we" are identifying array elements, of course.

Telephone numbers? Does anyone have telephone number 1? (Etc, etc.)
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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 14:58
There are a few places around here with 2 digit house numbers. I would imagine in smaller areas, it's a lot more common than in a large city. (I live in a town of about 10000)

Funny how the thread has drifted, though.

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Posted: 28th Feb 2008 15:24 Edited at: 28th Feb 2008 15:25
Quote: "Telephone numbers? Does anyone have telephone number 1? (Etc, etc.) "


In the sense that house numbers are sequential within their area, it still works. It starts by picking a range of numbers that doesn't interfere with systems that represent higher tier systems.

On a larger scale it still happens. Eradicate interference of larger-ranging nukber systems first, then continue...

00 is the international dialling prefix
0 is the international dialling prefix
01 - Geographic numbering
01x1 - Large city numbering
011x - Second tier city numbering
02 - Geographic numbering overflow
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Quote: "Telephone numbers? Does anyone have telephone number 1? (Etc, etc.) "


Yes, all English speaking Americans do. If you don't believe me, call the phone company. You will hear "Press 1 for English".

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House numbering system in the US is completely different to here in the UK.

In the UK, every street has its own range of numbers, starting at 1. One side of road has odd numbers 1,3,5,7,... and other side has even numbers 2,4,6,8,... so that is why it is odd to US people that we have low house numbers. Most roads only have house numbers up to 100 or so as our roads are normally quite small.

I did some googling about US numbering system and it's completely mad! All based on blocks and intersections and stuff and so quite normal to have house number in thousands or even tens of thousands.

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We have numbers per street here in Sweden as well with even on one side and uneven on the other.

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I live at number 41315.
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I reside in number 1337

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Quote: "This is a question that my father gave to his Algebra II class as an extra credit assignment."

Shouldn't that be "Algebra I^2" ahahahahaha

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I live at number 1337.
(Edit) I was beaten! And I didn't see page 2.


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Yeah, Australia has the same numbering as the UK

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