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SunnyKatt
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Posted: 2nd Mar 2008 01:53 Edited at: 2nd Mar 2008 02:19
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I was playing crysis the other day, And am sick of playing on (almost) lowest graphics... If I pump it up to motion blur on and shadows on, I get about 20-25 average fps or so. I want it at 30!

I have 2 gigs of ram but an outdated ati radeon x1300 graphics card, and an also outdated 2004 intel pentium 4 2.53 GHz...

With a year away till getting the $4,000 (2,013 pounds) computer, and seeing that mine runs really quiet, I decided I should overclock.

I got the ATItool and the RADlinker. According to everybody on the Internet, they say overclocking is really safe... but I'm still worried. I love my pc... but I degress.

So I read a ton of newbie guides and printed out pages upon pages, now that I know exactly what I'm going to do, I'm just worried.

Scared to death is a bit of an overstatement but anyway...
Have any of you done this (probably)? Reassure me! I plan to do it in a couple of days... And I'm still reading those tutorials.

Ill check here tommorow. Thanks in advance!

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Posted: 2nd Mar 2008 02:37 Edited at: 2nd Mar 2008 02:39
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I've never overclocked an ati card, no idea how good/bad that is.

As for the processor, every computer in my house has an oc'd processor. They work just fine. My intel celeron 2.28ghz processor just died a few months ago after a couple years. Don't know if that's due to the ocing or just my smoking habit and my uncleaned stock heat sink

It can lower the life of your processor. If you're getting rid of it in a year, go for it. But if you can't afford to replace a burned up processor, you might want to just sell your processor and upgrade

One tip, don't oc too far, do it in small steps. And oc the processor in the bios only, never via software.

Your graphics card is fine to do via software, in fact, probably safer. Since ati tool will test for artifacts as it's ocing.

Another tip, I don't trust oc'd ram, I generally keep that at or under it's stock FSB speed.


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Posted: 2nd Mar 2008 13:32 Edited at: 2nd Mar 2008 13:35
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The Ati tool is an awesome peice of equipment, has good artifact tests.
and I may keep my processor for 2 years.... but
I only plan to overclock mine a small amount, I think Atitool can also do the cpu. thanks!

EDIT: isn't a processor the worst thing to upgrade? I thought it was alot harder than a video card or ram.
I didnt even know you could oc ram. I wont anyway.

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I don't see the point in risking damaging something just for the small increase in speed you're going to see. Just consider if it's worth it.

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Posted: 2nd Mar 2008 14:22 Edited at: 2nd Mar 2008 14:23
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Quote: "I have 2 gigs of ram but an outdated ati radeon x1300 graphics card, and an also outdated 2004 intel pentium 4 2.53 GHz..."

Your PC does NOT suck! My PC suck. In Crysis, when I go out from forest I don't even have 1 f-**g FPS and you...

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(And BTW sorry, I somtimes get a bit nervous when someone says his PC is bad and has FAR better PC than me...)

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Posted: 2nd Mar 2008 16:52
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Quote: "I don't see the point in risking damaging something just for the small increase in speed you're going to see. Just consider if it's worth it.
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Ben is right. For 5 fps is it really necessary? Why risk all your equipment?

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Posted: 2nd Mar 2008 19:24
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Its not worth it, my pc went through a spasm and I barely saved it in safe mode. Lesson learned. I can live without shadows for 2 years.

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I've lived without shadows for the past two. It's not so bad.


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If you play online its fun without shadows. Because then people think they are hiding in the shadows....but their not! Haha!
Take that 5000$ computers!

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It really only helps to OC when you are a big company and know how to pull off a big OC.


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if you are a big company there is no need because you can afford a fancy expensive powerful videocard.

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Quote: "if you are a big company there is no need because you can afford a fancy expensive powerful videocard.
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Unless you really know how to OC things it won't help much.
(I think you missed my point. )


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Quote: "I've lived without shadows for the past two. It's not so bad."
I've lived without any new games for the last 2 years and that's bad! But I'm getting my new PC in about a week and a half! I can't wait!


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ah I see your point now... but why did you say "big company"?

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Posted: 3rd Mar 2008 23:11 Edited at: 3rd Mar 2008 23:13
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XFX and ASUS pull off great overclocks that bring results 'cause they use better cooling and know alot about what they are doing.

Just fit a great cooler on your stuff and learn about overclocking, practice, and experiment a bit, then you can pull off great overclocks.


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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 04:03
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Quote: "If I pump it up to motion blur on and shadows on, I get about 20-25 average fps or so. I want it at 30!"


30! I can't stand 30!

Quote: "With a year away till getting the $4,000 (2,013 pounds) computer, and seeing that mine runs really quiet, I decided I should overclock."


Wow, you do not need to spend $4000 for a top-of-line comp man![quote]

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Amen to that. I don't know what I'd do if there were no newegg.


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I would probably have another hobby... or alot less money.

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newegg's great... Shame it doesn't post anywhere outside the US, which makes it next to useless to me (only good for checking to see how much I could have gotten something)...

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Well you could technically forward it through UPS. They have something like that I think, I know you can get a mailbox through them and they will even sign for your packages for you, so really they should be able to do that.

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Before CPU overclock 2.0Ghz


CPU after mild overclock to 2.5Ghz on the stock cooler


A 22% increase is worth it if you don't mind the extra 30watts of power it uses. The core 2 duo in the best for overclocking I've heard people say they run this at 3Ghz. I stick to the rule of 60 degrees or get a better cooling solution do this and you'll be sound.

I also later turned the 8600GT into a 8600GTS for free..



I now have a real 8600GTS and it can't be overclocked much further, so my theory is that an 8600GTS you by from a shop is basically just an 8600GT overclocked anyway!

I'd sell the P4 and motherbard(probably) and buy a cheap C2D E2200 (£50)+ cheap 667 Gigabyte MB (£35) and have a fun time oveclocking

The mistake most 1st time overclockers make is when they turn up the CPU clock multiplier they forget turn down the memoy multiplier to match.

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Quote: "Well you could technically forward it through UPS. They have something like that I think, I know you can get a mailbox through them and they will even sign for your packages for you, so really they should be able to do that."


Hmm, interesting - I doubt they'd do that for free, though.
I'll have to look into it next time I'm wanting to buy from a US only online store - thanks for the tip

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The equivilent to New Egg UK in my eyes is www.scan.co.uk

When buying from the US you have to pay import duty. I bought some Oakley sunglasses once and the postman wouldn't release them until I paid nearly a 1/3 of their value in import duty!

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Unfortunately, I still haven't found a decent one for Australia

My cheapest options have always been Amazon's resellers and EBay

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Quote: "I don't see the point in risking damaging something just for the small increase in speed you're going to see. Just consider if it's worth it."


It's okay to overclock as long as you've done your research. Some hardware are generally accepted by the OC community as overclockable (e.g., Core2 or X2 Brisbanes), while others are just not worth the risk or effort. The thread starter won't gain much out of overclocking his Pentium 4 and low-end video card, though.

@Zeke: If you can't wait a year for your uber PC, take GatorHex' advice and buy some cheap but overclockable hardware.

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Don't forget AMD's Black Edition CPUs. Those things are great for overclocking.


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Quote: "Don't forget AMD's Black Edition CPUs. Those things are great for overclocking."


It's hard to find overclocked X2 Black Editions that exceed 3.2GHz and are still stable, while a cheap Intel E2xxx overclocked to 3.0GHz will still outperform it. Comparing the few hundred MHz left to gain in a BE (which are already very close to their limits) to the near 100% OC of a cheap Allendale, it's more practical (gamer-wise) to take the Intel route.

Me, I just bought this AM2 motherboard last year and can't afford a brand switch for now.

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I'm a cheap AMD fan.


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I'll have to look into it next time I'm wanting to buy from a US only online store - thanks for the tip "


No problem. It's not free, but its probably cheaper in the long run.

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So am I lol. The store lady kind of overheard that I intended to overclock in the first place. Sub-E6750 stock performance at 1/3 the price? Deal!

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I only buy directly from dell, just for the reason of super good quality stuff. The new pc Im getting is the H2C but upgraded + customized a little bit...
Regardless of how beautiful overclocking looks like it'll be, i'm not gonna do it...
ever. I'm fine with a little less speed. Besides I want my pc to last as long as possible.

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not dell they seriously over charge, anyway can you o/c processors on dell's yet?

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not sure, and yeah they do overchage. ALOT. hmmmmmm

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take up the challenge of building your own that's what I did after buying too many dells

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I'm afraid to OC a Dell. It does what it does well, and that's about it. I only think you can OC though software though.


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from what i last remember you could only oc the graphics card because most of the bios was locked

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I'm going to get that new XPS 630 - 1300 dollars, and Ill put an extra 2 gigs of ram in when I get it. Better than trying to get the all powerful H2C
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsdt_630?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~tab=bundlestab

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Why don't you just build your own? it's not like you flip a switch on one of the pieces and it blows up. (Ok it will on the PSU if it's on)


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It won't blow stuff up even if your power is on. My on-off kill switch fused, and I thought it was off. The PC started up when I removed a PCI card. It made me jump, but nothing has broken.


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If you flip the voltage switch on the PSU while it's on I meant.


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Ive never built my own before though....
I'd rather just spend the money + get something qualtiy.

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Quote: "Ive never built my own before though....
I'd rather just spend the money + get something qualtiy."


It's easy to build your own Hardest thing is opening the boxes usually. If it saves you money to build your own I recommend doing so, but of course it's up to you

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Quote: "Ive never built my own before though...."

There's a first time for everything, but I guess this isn't your time.


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If you've never done building a PC, I recommend taking apart your old one and try rebuilding it. You don't want to risk $1300 of equipment by putting your RAM in the wrong way, or screwing up some stuff. Or accidently hitting the voltage switch, like I did once.


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Quote: "accidently hitting the voltage switch, like I did once.
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That's why I warn people.


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@tha_rami, What if you really are that incompetent that you mess up your only computer.

Best, I think to do a whole lot of readings first - print everything off - then get a friend who knows what they're doing to watch (not help, as you need to learn for yourself). Or at least, to be ready to receive a phone call for help

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well, its a year away till I have the money... Ill decide then.

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