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Geek Culture / McAfee/Norton and Avast/AVG/others free like it

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Bozzy
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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 18:17
Hi,

Money is not an issue here, as I have saved enough to get either McAfee/Norton. I have just got a laptop with no virus protection on it at the moment, and would like to get good virus protection. However, I do not want this laptop to be slowed down by this virus protection (as little as possible).

I have heard that the first two pieces of software slow down the computer quite a lot, unlike some of the free ones.

Which, in your opinion is the best piece of software that is good for speed and also has great virus protection?

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Bozzy

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Jrock
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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 18:43
Well, I personally perfer AVG (most likely because I'm a cheap arse, mind you).

I consider the first two (McAfee and Norton) to be bloatware.

I havn't used Avast, but from what I've heard it is good.


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Roxas
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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 18:45 Edited at: 4th Mar 2008 18:45
Avast! is must! It has even Real-Time protection and so on.. Then there is the AVG.

Those are the best ones.


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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 20:17
Why bother with virus protection? I haven't for what, three years now? If I have some, they aren't doing enough for me to care.


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Roxas
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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 20:23
You have router? Virus cames nowdays really easy and they do usually anything unwanted.


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Michael P
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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 20:36 Edited at: 4th Mar 2008 20:38
Norton is one of the worst things created in the history of computing. If you buy that, you are only contributing to this evil. Seriously, go with AVG; the difference between Norton and AVG is similar to that of Hell and Heaven

It is also true, that most of the time you don't really need anti-virus because unless you are incredibly stupid, or you go onto lots of 'illegal' websites then you should not contract viruses.
Phaelax
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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 20:38
I've used Norton since '99, it's still superior.


Michael P
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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 20:40 Edited at: 4th Mar 2008 21:02
Quote: "I've used Norton since '99, it's still superior."


Norton is not superior in any way. The difference is that Norton slows down your computer, is over bloated and full of features that don't work, whilst AVG works and is not bloated.

Anyone with any knowledge of computing will know that Norton is a waste of money.

[edit] I'd like to add: You only need to invest in a firewall or internet security package if you are not running behind a router, which has an inbuilt firewall. Generally, your router has all of your ports closed and so there is no need for a firewall.

If you are connected directly to the internet with just a modem, then you do need to invest in some sort of firewall - you can use windows firewall, but that is pretty limited.

Another point is that AVG anti-virus is free which is all you need if you are behind a router, with an inbuilt firewall.
Mr Z
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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 21:12
I use NOD32 for Windows, and it does an good job.

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Keo C
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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 21:25
Quote: "whilst AVG works and is not bloated.
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AVG slowed my PC down like a rock. Norton is pretty good, but for the money NOD32 would be best in my opinion.
I use Avast, mostly because I'm cheap.


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Anonymous User
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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 21:59
Nod32 is very good but if you don't want to pay anything then avast is the best. For example if a virus is embedded on a web page or in a file that you are downloading then avast picks it up and tells you with an option to abort the connection.

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Digital Awakening
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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 23:20
AVG is great if you have broadband, it updates itself once a day and I have not been able to disable this feature on my dads computer. It's a pain on a modem. Whenever I've tried to unpack something with a virus, AVG have alerted me and removed it.

You should also get Spybot - Search and Destroy. It's free, gets upgrades every now and then, removes a lot of spyware and can immunize your web browser.

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 23:22
Quote: "You have router? Virus cames nowdays really easy and they do usually anything unwanted."


Yes, I have a standard BT 220V that overheats a lot despite being by the downstairs PC's intake, and also an £8 Wifi router connected to the WAN port of the BT, which my computer connects to using a £6 Wifi card. Both are unbranded.


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Roxas
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Posted: 4th Mar 2008 23:49
Quote: "Yes, I have a standard BT 220V that overheats a lot despite being by the downstairs PC's intake, and also an £8 Wifi router connected to the WAN port of the BT, which my computer connects to using a £6 Wifi card. Both are unbranded."


That explains it.


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bitJericho
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Posted: 6th Mar 2008 08:47 Edited at: 6th Mar 2008 08:48
I highly recommend Nod32 as well. I've installed it on a number of pcs and I've never had a complaint on it. Runs far better than AVG or Norton resource-wise.

I have a similar distaste for AVG as I do Norton

Oh and, if you're not going to use it for gaming, try out ubuntu. No virus protection needed, it will run a lot better than windows

*Just had to throw that in there*


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Veron
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Posted: 6th Mar 2008 09:06
Quote: "Norton is not superior in any way. The difference is that Norton slows down your computer, is over bloated and full of features that don't work,"


I can second that ^^

Kaspersky Anti-Virus 8.0 all the way... a lot cheaper, although price doesn't matter to you, but it's absolutely amazing, great amount of user control, great features, uses almost no memory, updates often. What more could you want? xD

I also use Spybot S&D, good piece of software.


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Posted: 6th Mar 2008 15:59 Edited at: 6th Mar 2008 16:00
Quote: "Norton is not superior in any way. The difference is that Norton slows down your computer, is over bloated and full of features that don't work"

What features would that be?

AVG is immensely slow with file scans. When Norton started bundling all that extra 'security' crap with its AV, it was a mess and so I switched to Symantec corporate. It's strictly just AV software.

Just looked up some test results, NOD32 and McAfee appears to be the only AV that detected the 2 macros in the test. Oddly, MS OneCare did pretty poor in detecting Windows virii with only a 28% detection rate, which was still better than AVG's 23%. NOD32 also had 0 false positives, and stated 'fast' on-demand scanning speed, which quite different than the experience I had with NOD a year or so ago. These figures were all based on retrospective/proactive tests.

Avira AntiVir PE (never heard of it) appears to do well is most categories.

On-demand comparitive test - Aug. 2007 (new results due on march 10)

AEC TrustPort AV - 99.64% / 11
Avira AntiVir - 99.45% / 11
G Data AVK - 99.31% / 12
Norton AV - 98.8% / 12
Kaspersky - 98.46% / 12
GriSoft AVG - 97.75% / 3
ESET NOD32 - 97.6% / 12

The percentage is it's overall detection rate. The other number is how many polymorphic viruses were detected out of 12. AVG seemed lost there. And aside from also scoring about 20% lower in script viruses/malware than the top competitors above, AVG was on par with the rest in the other categories.


jasonhtml
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Posted: 6th Mar 2008 17:51
i use avast, its great! you never notice it running because it doesnt slow down ur pc(ive had some pretty bad experiences with Nortan and McAfee). and it gets updates about once every 2 days or so

Keo C
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Posted: 6th Mar 2008 18:22
Quote: "you never notice it running because it doesnt slow down ur pc"

I noticed a slight slowdown, but I timed it and it was only a second on startup.


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Samoz83
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Posted: 6th Mar 2008 18:38
I use bit defender and its seems to update every hour i recommend it

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Michael P
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Posted: 6th Mar 2008 18:52
Quote: "What features would that be?"


I seem to remember reading that the add blocker feature often failed, and that email scanning software also had a tendency to fail. Another thing that really frustrated me was the fact that the uninstaller does not uninstall everything!
Preston C
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Posted: 6th Mar 2008 18:58 Edited at: 6th Mar 2008 19:00
Norton is a great antivirus, just go for the corporate edition, like Phaelax said. It's just as fast as AVG, detects things better, and is pretty ok. If you need an ad blocker, switch to use any mozilla based browser that supports that Ad-Block plug-in.

But for everyone else who doesn't get a free copy from their university, go with AVG. Works just fine if you're not an idiot



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Roxas
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Posted: 6th Mar 2008 20:09 Edited at: 6th Mar 2008 20:10
Why not just get the Avast! I mean its free the home edition (Never tried pro) and i never got hitted by anything bad..

Why pay for things when you got something good as this also it does not seem to slow my pc at all and has Real-Time Protection!
(Eg. You download file and it gives opinions right away if there is something bad.. Or you open directory and it finds something bad on that dir and so on..)


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Jeku
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Posted: 6th Mar 2008 21:22
@Phaelax - There's a reason why so many people have made utilities to completely remove Norton AntiVirus from your computer, as uninstalling it won't do the job. There's obviously a high enough demand as even Symantec have made a remover tool of their own


Phaelax
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Posted: 6th Mar 2008 23:13
Quote: "even Symantec have made a remover tool of their own"


pwnd by their own company!


I don't consider the ad-blocker as part of Norton AV, nor the firewall. That's all part of their security suite. I will agree that the email scanning is slow on occasion.

I've never heard of bit defender. Not sure I'd like something that updated constantly like that. Every hour seems a bit excessive.


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