Sorry your browser is not supported!

You are using an outdated browser that does not support modern web technologies, in order to use this site please update to a new browser.

Browsers supported include Chrome, FireFox, Safari, Opera, Internet Explorer 10+ or Microsoft Edge.

Geek Culture / I got in trouble for bashing IE

Author
Message
NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 10th Apr 2005
Location: The Fifth Plane of Oblivion
Posted: 7th Mar 2008 18:26 Edited at: 7th Mar 2008 18:26
In today's IT lesson, I was to justify the file formats I used in my website. I used PNG, and I stated the reasons; it's small and produces no compression artifacts.

Then, I went on to admit that Internet Explorer has problems with it. To quote exactly:
Quote: "However, one of the rendering errors that Internet Explorer, from version one to present day has been notorious for is the incorrect rendering of PNG format files. Not only is the brightness of such images incorrect (they are darker), the transparency channel in the files is dutifully ignored. Arguably superior browsers such as Opera, Firefox or Safari do not have such inheirant flaws, and so render correctly. Some of the layout problems I have been experiencing with Internet Explorer are also well known, and despised by a large proportion of the web design industry, and so ridiculous workarounds that should be unnecessary are. Microsoft have claimed to have fixed such inaccuracies in the eighth iteration of the browser."


Perhaps I was a bit tactless, and I did go on about it a bit, but isn't a D grade for bashing Internet Explorer a bit extreme when all I'm typing is the unadulterated truth?


I fail at life. No, really.
Keo C
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 3rd Aug 2007
Location: Somewhere between here and there.
Posted: 7th Mar 2008 18:30
Yes, I wish IT teachers would actually be qualified for the job.


Image made by the overworked Biggadd.
MSon
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 13th Jul 2004
Location: Earth, (I Think).
Posted: 7th Mar 2008 18:42
I hated IT back im my Schooldays, all it included was, heres a letter, Copy it as quick as you can, (Includng Format), And they think thats worth a qualification in IT.

But Occasionally if we where good then we got to play on the old Acorn Computers

Everyone Be Cool, You, Be Cool.
Mr Tank
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 25th Nov 2002
Location: United Kingdom
Posted: 7th Mar 2008 19:00
Perhaps you got marked down for spelling. Also, you should try to be more objective, even if you are right. Yours reads like a Daily Mail rant. I do realise the Daily Mail is toss BTW.

SUPER BADASS SPACESHIP X: WEBSITE
FORUM TOPIC
Tom J
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Aug 2005
Location: Essex, England
Posted: 7th Mar 2008 19:04
Maybe you got a D because bashing IE isn't on the curriculum?
El Goorf
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 17th Sep 2006
Location: Uni: Manchester, Home: Dunstable
Posted: 7th Mar 2008 19:06
as much as you may be speaking the truth, you dont get marks for things that aren't on the mark scheme, just answer the dam question XD

i had the same problem with economics, i'd frequently ramble completely off-topic into political rants, getting me no-where.

http://notmybase.com
All my base are not belong to anyone.
NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 10th Apr 2005
Location: The Fifth Plane of Oblivion
Posted: 7th Mar 2008 19:12
I console myself that it might get a bit better when I've finished with this GCSE rubbish and got into that Stafford College course for Interactive Media. I was marked down for "technical accuracy". I was also marked down for refusing to use the Serif software suite, because it's pants. I used Notepad instead.


I fail at life. No, really.
Duplex
User Banned
Posted: 7th Mar 2008 19:33
Dude, you should do what they say. They want you to use some software, you use it. Never make out that you are smarter than they are.

BiggAdd
Retired Moderator
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 6th Aug 2004
Location: != null
Posted: 7th Mar 2008 20:41
Quote: "bit better when I've finished with this GCSE rubbish and got into that Stafford College course for Interactive Media."

You'd do better going to do A-levels in Physics, Chemistry and Maths (And then computer Sci as a fourth for AS)

Anonymous User
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 21st Feb 2008
Location:
Posted: 7th Mar 2008 20:48
Our course is like that but thankfully you can recommend the moderator to use fire fox by telling them on the first page. Our teachers are worse though. The "Head" of IT got into the job by having a business IT qualification. Nothing wrong with that apart from the fact that she got her boyfriend to do the IT part. So we're stuck with a useless teacher that doesn't know anything about the multimedia course that we're doing at the minute (DIDA).

Also in relation to you serif software point we're also force to use a program called mediator to create websites. It's so bad I just gave up and started using notepad halfway through the course. Later I started using notepad++ from a usb stick but that got in trouble off of the network admin.

So the majority of school IT qualifications, teachers and markers suck. Good thing you've finished yours.

???
David R
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Sep 2003
Location: 3.14
Posted: 7th Mar 2008 21:31 Edited at: 7th Mar 2008 21:34
Quote: "I console myself that it might get a bit better when I've finished with this GCSE rubbish and got into that Stafford College course for Interactive Media. I was marked down for "technical accuracy". I was also marked down for refusing to use the Serif software suite, because it's pants. I used Notepad instead.
"


GCSE is absolute turd (it's just a set of retarded hoop-jumps overall). That was the most abysmal excuse for a subject related to computers, ever. I got a B overall, mainly because I was marked down for being "too in depth" (which is incredibly stupid if you think about it) and I didn't alter it to get better grades, purely because I think it's a stupid reason to get marked down: I stood by what I wrote. OK, I didn't get an A* grade, but who cares.

Computing at AS level is slightly better, but still stupid It's annoying that the one subject where I feel confident enough to excel beyond the curriculum doesn't offer the chance to do so. Every other subject I do allows me to (Physics for example, where you can go very in depth coursework wise), but computing does not. Stupid school


09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 10th Apr 2005
Location: The Fifth Plane of Oblivion
Posted: 7th Mar 2008 21:49
Quote: "A-levels in Physics, Chemistry and Maths (And then computer Sci as a fourth for AS)"


Three subjects I'm not brilliant at. Physics is ok, but far from my favorite, chemistry has too much to remember, I get B/C and although I get my A grades in Maths, it's only because every single question in the first three quarters of the paper is correct; I'm no good at the higher stuff. Which is all that makes up the A-level stuff, I'm told.
The interactive media course is nothing to do with media studies, in case you're wondering. It's two years of 3D modelling, 2D graphics, web design and programming so I can go onto Uni.


I fail at life. No, really.
Roxas
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 11th Nov 2005
Location: http://forum.thegamecreators.com
Posted: 7th Mar 2008 21:56
Quote: "Dude, you should do what they say. They want you to use some software, you use it. Never make out that you are smarter than they are."


Thats the proplem with humans.. We dont deny others so we just get less and less freedom.


Click For Details!
Insanity Complex
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 16th Sep 2005
Location: Home
Posted: 7th Mar 2008 22:02 Edited at: 7th Mar 2008 22:04
Quote: "Dude, you should do what they say. They want you to use some software, you use it. Never make out that you are smarter than they are."


Progress can't occur if people just sit back and use/do certain things just because they're told to. This may be a small example of such...but honestly...meh, I'll just stop there.

[edit] Actually, my post sounds irrelevant to the topic. So...if he were to actually make a decent argument as to why he shouldn't be forced to use the software they require, the rules and 'traditions' deciding what could be used in the class could be changed, if he's right and they came to their senses.


Getting between me and my morning coffee is suicide...
tha_rami
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 25th Mar 2006
Location: Netherlands
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 06:50 Edited at: 8th Mar 2008 06:50
Haha, I got sent out of class once for using Firefox in IT class. They apparently thought it was some game or a communist virus.


A mod has been erased by your signature because it was larger than 600x120
andrey d
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 30th Jun 2007
Location:
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 06:56
Quote: "Maybe you got a D because bashing IE isn't on the curriculum?"

Anything besides microsoft isn't on the curriculum.
tha_rami
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 25th Mar 2006
Location: Netherlands
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 07:00
Heck, our government wants to 'stimulate' the use of open source software.

After which they order 4000 PC's that, among others, must have .NET capabilities.


A mod has been erased by your signature because it was larger than 600x120
Benjamin
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 24th Nov 2002
Location: France
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 12:29
How do you know you actually got marked down for bashing IE? Perhaps you were marked down because you completely ignored the compatibility issue in the most used web browser, which is a bad practice.

Quote: "Progress can't occur if people just sit back and use/do certain things just because they're told to."

Progress? The idea of working hard in a class is to get good marks. That's progress. You're not working to change the system or any crap like that.

David R
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Sep 2003
Location: 3.14
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 13:20
Quote: "Progress? The idea of working hard in a class is to get good marks. That's progress. You're not working to change the system or any crap like that."


Yes, clearly we should all blindly accept what we're told, even if it's wrong. Provided we jump through the hoops and get high marks


09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
Jess T
Retired Moderator
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Sep 2003
Location: Over There... Kablam!
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 13:59 Edited at: 8th Mar 2008 13:59
Resistance is futile...



Nintendo DS & Dominos :: DS Dominos
http://jt0.org

Attachments

Login to view attachments
Roxas
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 11th Nov 2005
Location: http://forum.thegamecreators.com
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 14:07
Foolness of Humanity?


Click For Details!
GatorHex
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Apr 2005
Location: Gunchester, UK
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 14:37
I am suspicious that shools/universities are sponsored by M$ to indoctrinate the young to using their software!

Just look how fast XP was saved from retirement as soon as EeePCs running Linux became a possibility

DinoHunter (still no nVidia compo voucher!), CPU/GPU Benchmark, DarkFish Encryption DLL, War MMOG (WIP), 3D Model Viewer
Benjamin
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 24th Nov 2002
Location: France
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 14:53
Quote: "Yes, clearly we should all blindly accept what we're told, even if it's wrong."

And the relevance to this thread?

Serge Adjo
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 3rd Aug 2006
Location:
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 14:59
Yes this is clear, I learn everything at school, I love school
regards -serge adjo-

Your signature has been erased by a mod because it's larger than 600x120
Roxas
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 11th Nov 2005
Location: http://forum.thegamecreators.com
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 15:09
AHAHAHHA! Serge Adjo, Our king came to show us the light.. Finally!


Click For Details!
Serge Adjo
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 3rd Aug 2006
Location:
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 15:16
yes, finally ! your king, your friend... as you want ! thanks

Your signature has been erased by a mod because it's larger than 600x120
Tom J
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Aug 2005
Location: Essex, England
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 15:18


[/caps]
tha_rami
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 25th Mar 2006
Location: Netherlands
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 16:10
LOL at that letter Jess T posted. OMG.


A mod has been erased by your signature because it was larger than 600x120
Insert Name Here
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Mar 2007
Location: Worcester, England
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 16:37
...He's back...

Lee Bamber - Blame Beer
Seppuku Arts
Moderator
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 18th Aug 2004
Location: Cambridgeshire, England
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 18:10
JessT's letter makes me want to slap the teacher. I hope the parents turned around and said 'So what you're saying is if the teacher is too thick to teach the class correctly then we're supposed to accept it, even though they're being taught wrong, sorry but I want my child pulled out of detention and the teacher to be retrained'. That's the sort of thing my parents would have written - in fact they've done things along those lines before.

Exit Pursued by man-bear-pig
Insert Name Here
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Mar 2007
Location: Worcester, England
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 18:40
Seppuku, he letter isn't real. OR at least, it's not supposed to be.
Check Snopes.com.

Lee Bamber - Blame Beer
Dr Schnitzengruber
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 19th Jul 2007
Location: C:/Projects/failed/ schnitzengruber
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 19:03
Quote: "Jess Ts post"

I hate people who are dumb and have any authority. Even when they are wrong in the most obvious form, they insist on getting mad at people for "nt givin' 'nough respct[sic]" and "defng[sic] authroty[sic]".

Dazzag
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 26th Aug 2002
Location: Cyprus
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 20:39
My GCSE (about 14 years old at the time) computer teacher was an old geography teacher who did a two week course over the summer holidays. Ok, so was back in 1987, but even so... Always annoyed him when I mucked around with his BBC network. Such as a fake login screen that logged you in but then broadcast your password to everyone on the network without letting you be any the wiser Fun times... I believe the huge (I mean in size, but yes also in sheer volume of data) external Winchester HD for the network was something like 25mb at the time

I also got a very low mark for work experience on my BTEC computer course (before Uni). I totally rewrote the menu software on their PC's there, and wrote a basic program to graph the IT manager's mortgage repayments (that turned out to show up his Lotus 123 calculations to be incorrect). He gave me the low mark because "I thought I knew more about IT than he did". He was wrong. I *did* know more than him. Forget "thought". Idiot. You learn as you get older to be more humble. It gets you farther. That and meeting some seriously talented people. I'm not Jesus Christ. I know that now. Heh, I bloody love Darkplace. Don't take drugs...

Cheers

I am 99% probably lying in bed right now... so don't blame me for crappy typing
Current fave quote : "She was like a candle in the wind.... unreliable...."
David R
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Sep 2003
Location: 3.14
Posted: 8th Mar 2008 20:57
Quote: "And the relevance to this thread?"


Trying reading the thread and you would know....


09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
Seppuku Arts
Moderator
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 18th Aug 2004
Location: Cambridgeshire, England
Posted: 9th Mar 2008 03:04
Quote: "Seppuku, he letter isn't real. OR at least, it's not supposed to be."


Meet some of the idiots in society and you'd see why I thought it was real.

Exit Pursued by man-bear-pig
tha_rami
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 25th Mar 2006
Location: Netherlands
Posted: 9th Mar 2008 06:48
Teachers could use a lesson in honesty, I agree.

You know I actually got a 7 for something almost the whole school agreed on would get me a 10, including the teachers that weren't responsible for the work (they clearly felt the need to bash it because some complained about it being unfair competition)?

It was a documentary, including shots on location, video editing, audio recording, scripting and all the stuff compared to the normal Powerpoint presentation. We got a 7 due to 'it's less work to create' (almost 20 hours compared to the 2 hours for the Powerpoint presentation), 'not keeping to the assignment' (present your research in any way you like) and 'unfair competition' (the others just didn't want to put in this much work).

At least 90% of the school agreed upon that the grade was absurdly low. Ah well, it's something that'll be remembered. We were the only ones getting an standing ovation and hey, that feels good too.

Never trust teachers. They eat kittens.


A mod has been erased by your signature because it was larger than 600x120
Jeku
Moderator
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Jul 2003
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Posted: 9th Mar 2008 10:15
What kind of alternate dimension do you live where students give standing ovations for each other's homework projects?


tha_rami
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 25th Mar 2006
Location: Netherlands
Posted: 9th Mar 2008 10:56
It was a graduation project, so the grade you got is pretty much one of the largest indicators for research/presentation skills. You're supposed to work on it the whole year (read two weeks), so it's the biggest thing you do at high school.


A mod has been erased by your signature because it was larger than 600x120
5867Dude
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 26th Jun 2006
Location:
Posted: 9th Mar 2008 13:59
Quote: "Yes this is clear, I learn everything at school, I love school
regards -serge adjo-"

Serge has returned!!!

But lets stay on topic.
I can't believe that the school knocked you down for stating something that is true. My friend once got banned from the school network for using firefox.

Schools are somewhat obsessed with Microsoft. I haven't ever known anyone who goes to a school where they don't use IE.


Was Cool Kid
David R
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Sep 2003
Location: 3.14
Posted: 9th Mar 2008 14:04
Quote: "(the others just didn't want to put in this much work)."


That's what I'm afraid of with my computing assignment due in on Friday. We were supposed to create a simple system to solve a "realistic problem" that must be challenging enough to keep us entertained for a few months (September -> This coming Friday).

Since I chose something vastly more complex than everyone else (a revision control system, whereas some people have spent their time making souped up calculators in VB ) I'm pretty certain I'm going to be penalised for it (even though it works fine and its documentation is on par with everyone else).

My teacher, like most ICT teachers, likes to make examples out of people who try and exceed his ability


09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
Insert Name Here
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Mar 2007
Location: Worcester, England
Posted: 9th Mar 2008 14:11
Am I the only person who has an IT teacher that doesn't mind me knowing a little more than him about IT?

Lee Bamber - Blame Beer
Jess T
Retired Moderator
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Sep 2003
Location: Over There... Kablam!
Posted: 9th Mar 2008 14:33
Quote: "Am I the only person who has an IT teacher that doesn't mind me knowing a little more than him about IT?"


No. The 29 other lucky sods in your class do as well.
For the rest of us, though, it is/was painful!

I remember we had to write sorting algorithms (Bubble & Selection) and show output at each stage of the sorting process.

I utilized DB to make a graphical representation of the process.
I drew simple circles and lines to show which elements were being examined, and where they were being moved to in the list.

Each step waited for a key press before moving along.
I screen-captured all the steps so it would fit the requirements.

I almost failed it, because the teacher thought I didn't even implement the searching algorithm. He thought it was some random number/circle drawing program written in VB of all things!

I had a massive argument with him (as usual when he taught the class falseties), and he finally agreed to pass me.

Meanwhile, I was the only student in the school to ever have gotten a HD (80-100%) in a state-wide standardized IT test.

Oh well.

Nintendo DS & Dominos :: DS Dominos
http://jt0.org
Insert Name Here
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Mar 2007
Location: Worcester, England
Posted: 9th Mar 2008 14:35
Quote: "No. The 29 other lucky sods in your class do as well."

Touché.

Lee Bamber - Blame Beer
tha_rami
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 25th Mar 2006
Location: Netherlands
Posted: 9th Mar 2008 15:00
I actually bullied away my IT-teacher at one point. He said that if I felt that I was so much better at stuff than he was, I should give class. So, he went away (under protest from some of the ladies and lads in class, as they sincerely think he knows best) and I just went up, explained everything to everyone together with the other computer-savvy guy in class, and he came back and threathened to make an impossible test when he saw we were actually doing it.

Someone actually recorded that on a mobile phone. We went to the headmaster who, lucky me, always liked me for being a good and active student. He talked to the teacher, and in the last three lessons before the examinations I was allowed to give class with the other guy, the whole class had above average grades, and that's a miracle - seeing usually we had about 10 grades below average or simply bad grades.

The teacher never again liked me after that. I always doublechecked my grades and almost always I could force him to add some points he had willingly removed back (because someone else did get points for the same answer).


A mod has been erased by your signature because it was larger than 600x120
Data
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 26th Nov 2004
Location: Winnipeg,Canada
Posted: 9th Mar 2008 16:37
yes it make you wonder how much ICT teachers actually know..I lose marks in my class cause I dont do things the 'proper' way yet my way works twice as fast as the teacher's way anyway


Jeku
Moderator
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Jul 2003
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Posted: 9th Mar 2008 22:44
@JessT - You are expecting your teacher to know of DarkBasic? I can clearly understand why he thought you were using VB.


Jeff Miller
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 22nd Mar 2005
Location: New Jersey, USA
Posted: 10th Mar 2008 00:17
@David R -

If your assignment was for a "simple solution" and you are submitting something "vastly more complex than everyone else", your fears of getting the shaft will come true. I've had many teachers in my day, and I was married to one for 28 years, and I can assure you that they regard adherence to the assignment as more important than showing what you can do.

@JessT -

Resistance is not absolutely futile. In one's lifetime, perhaps, but as Joe Hill said "You'll get pie in the sky when you die." Even Galileo, who was convicted and imprisoned in 1633 for challenging the theory that the sun revolves around the earth, was eventually pardoned by Pope John Paul II in 1992 (not a typo). And, his reaction to his persecution is still preserved for all to behold, here:

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/finger.html
Jess T
Retired Moderator
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Sep 2003
Location: Over There... Kablam!
Posted: 10th Mar 2008 02:16
Quote: "You are expecting your teacher to know of DarkBasic? I can clearly understand why he thought you were using VB."


Ahh, but that's just the thing - I'd asked him previously if I could write it in DB (he said yes), since that was the language I knew best. I also offered both the source for DB and psuedo-code (in exactly the write format) so he could see the syntax of DB and understand.

Not only that, but as far as he knew, VB could only do Windows forms & buttons (he was a bad IT guy) - yet my app had no buttons/forms at all.


Quote: "Resistance is not absolutely futile. In one's lifetime, perhaps, but as Joe Hill said "You'll get pie in the sky when you die." Even Galileo, who was convicted and imprisoned in 1633 for challenging the theory that the sun revolves around the earth, was eventually pardoned by Pope John Paul II in 1992 (not a typo). And, his reaction to his persecution is still preserved for all to behold, here:"


Haha, nice

Yeah, I've learnt after 3.5 years at Uni that it's not all hopeless.
But I can't help thinking of the bad, bad teachers at high-schools around here that keep feeding our kids (who don't know any better in most cases) all those false truths.

Nintendo DS & Dominos :: DS Dominos
http://jt0.org
bitJericho
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Oct 2002
Location: United States
Posted: 10th Mar 2008 02:19 Edited at: 10th Mar 2008 03:36
Quote: "But I can't help thinking of the bad, bad teachers at high-schools around here that keep feeding our kids (who don't know any better in most cases) all those false truths."


The biggest insult is that they then turn around and talk about how bad homeschooling your children can be, spewing unsupported propaganda saying home schooled children are antisocial or lacking, when in reality they're not. This of course is in the US; our school system is a joke.


Hurray for teh logd!
Agent Dink
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 30th Mar 2004
Location:
Posted: 10th Mar 2008 03:16
I was homeschooled and yeah, Jerico is right. I'm not anti-social, I don't have trouble finding ways to meet people. I'm well liked by most and if I'm not, then tough bananas I'm not changing for them. The education of homeschoolers is just as tough if not tougher than public school. I consistently scored at the top levels in proficiency tests and whatever else they'd throw at me. Anyone who thinks homeschooling is not a good idea better look into it again. If you're worried about the social aspect of things, you can still get your kids involved in sports or extra classes at the school, community volunteer stuff, etc etc. You won't have any trouble meeting people and having a good time.

Login to post a reply

Server time is: 2024-11-20 00:25:41
Your offset time is: 2024-11-20 00:25:41