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Big Man
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Posted: 11th Mar 2008 20:55
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hey guys I decided to come back after a brief but productive absence.

Basically I've decided to learn how to create websites, so I spent some time making sure I knew as much of the ins and outs of html as possible and spent time on java script aswell.
I have been using microsofts visual web developer express edition to help me get into web development and I have been making some nice little websites that, to me, look fairly professional. However I have since removed MVW from my system because it wasn't doing my computer any good for some reason and it was a bit poo I have been doing a little of my own research into my other options and have decided that macromedia's dreamweaver is going to be a good choice for me especially as thats what we use at college. I'm thinking of getting hold of macromedia studio 8 however it is fairly expensive for me especially as I have to sort out buying myself a new car shortly.

Basically what I wanted from this post is the opinions of some of you guys as to what you think of Macromedia DW and whether there were any other programs that include similar stuff to studio 8 that are cheaper?

I haven't posted on a forum in a while so If I made any mistakes please tell me

BM

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hessiess
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Posted: 11th Mar 2008 21:00 Edited at: 11th Mar 2008 21:00
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dreamwever is OK, much better than frontpage. though I haven't used it that much becouse I profur hand coding

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Big Man
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Posted: 11th Mar 2008 21:09
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oh yer thats something i was going to mention in the original post...I have been spending the time that I havent had a WYSIWYG using notepad to create my web pages but even though i dont find it difficult it is time consuming.

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Jess T
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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 01:29
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Either a simple programmer's notepad like ConText, or, if you still want a WYSIWYG editor, then NVU rivals the likes for dreamweaver and frontpage

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Big Man
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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 09:00
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Just out of interest is coding websites using a text editor still the way they do it in the industry? Ok cool the NVU thing looks quite good is there a program that allows me to make flash websites aswell??

Just for the record I haven't been using frontpage I've been using microsofts Visual web developer from their visual studio package

BM

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 11:30
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NVu is good. For coding PHP I really like Zend Studio. Yeah, its not cheap - but it has got VERY intelligent code completion (it reads the documentation remarks before a function to understand the parameter types).

I personally develop in code and use Drupal as a template for all my sites. To make Flash sites, you're probably best off looking into Flash CS3 (or one of its predecessors). Personally - I think flash websites can [expletive] off. I HATE the fact you cant bookmark a specific page. I HATE the fact I sit there staring at a loading bar for up to a minute. All I want from the web is to get to the information I want to see - I couldn't care less about page transitions or anything like that.

However, Flash for banners and header images is "ok"... NOT for buttons though (that's SEO suicide).

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Jonny_S
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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 14:34
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Quote: "though I haven't used it that much becouse I profur hand coding"

You can handcode in dreamweaver, I use dreamweaver but rarely use the WYSIWYG editor. Infact I mainly have a split view, handcode the site and then add the content using the WYSIWYG editor.
I don't see why people want to make things hard for themselves by saying 'I use notepad', thats not elite thats stupid!

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hyrichter
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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 15:04
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For an affordable PHP editor, I use RapidPHP. For a really good all-around text editor, I use Crimson Editor.

I haven't tried out Zend Studio, mainly because of the price, and I've been happy enough with RapidPHP. Personally, I can't see how anyone could seriously use notepad.

I used Microsoft's ASP.net back when it was in VS 2003, but I've since switched over to PHP. I just feel like I'm more in control with PHP.

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Megaton Cat
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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 18:02 Edited at: 12th Mar 2008 18:02
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As someone already here said, a lot of hardcore elitist-like coders here will tell you how they don't need all this gimmick stuff them wild kids use these days, and that notepad is their way to go.

Honestly, if you wanna be in today's web design, start learning everything you can about CSS now, and get Dreamweaver.

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 19:13 Edited at: 12th Mar 2008 19:16
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Quote: "You can handcode in dreamweaver, I use dreamweaver but rarely use the WYSIWYG editor."


Still, dreamweaver is just a tad expensive if you only intend to use it as a text editor. Notepad is junk for codeing, no syntax hi-lighting. However something like GEdit is perfectly adequate.

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 23:36
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As for WYSIWYG editors, I prefer to simply have my code open in one app that has syntax highlighting for CSS/HTML/PHP in one window (ConText), and have the page open in FF - to view the changes Ctrl+F5 in FF - simple

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Posted: 13th Mar 2008 01:13
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Good free text editor is PSPad.

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Big Man
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Posted: 13th Mar 2008 09:05
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I've been doing my research (with the help of the advice you guys have given me) and I have found the dreamweaver student edition which is considerably cheaper than the standard one....whats the difference??

Also for now until I have the money to buy anything im going to use one of the text editors you guys have suggested...I have tryed out Notepad++ but dont like it so Im going to give context a go

Thanks again guys and anymore advice would be great

BM

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Jonny_S
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Posted: 13th Mar 2008 15:41
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Quote: "Still, dreamweaver is just a tad expensive if you only intend to use it as a text editor. Notepad is junk for codeing, no syntax hi-lighting. However something like GEdit is perfectly adequate."

I agree, but I got it at a reduced price...the joys of being a student.

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Posted: 17th Mar 2008 06:40 Edited at: 17th Mar 2008 06:41
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Quote: "whats the difference??"


AFAIK you just have to be a student.


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Big Man
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Posted: 17th Mar 2008 18:31
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sorry??
ok cool i'll have a look

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Posted: 17th Mar 2008 19:07
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AFAIK = as far as I know


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Posted: 17th Mar 2008 19:35
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You need to be a student and you cannot use the software for commercial purposes.

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Quote: "For a really good all-around text editor, I use Crimson Editor.
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I use Crimson as well, and happen to love it. I tried using Dreamweaver, but the combination of low system resources, and a personal dislike of the layout(probably a matter of unfamiliarity, so this is a lesser issue) just made me say nevermind and continue using Crimson...served me well as all I needed it for was quite basic HTML/CSS. If you're going hand coding and not WYSIWYG, I'd definitely recommend Crimson Editor, for anything from HTML to C++.


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Big Man
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Posted: 17th Mar 2008 21:51
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@ jericho...thanks im obviously not down with all this hip internet talk

@IC Ok cool I've been using Notepad++ for a little bit and quite like it but I'll take a look at Crimson and see if I like it and decide which one is best for me

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As a point of interest, if Iframes are generally frowned upon, how are elements (such as the navbar, news ticker and footer) shared between pages? All of the examples I've found use CSS, but in such a way that the navbar etc. is in the HTML itself. Is there any specific method?


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Posted: 17th Mar 2008 22:33 Edited at: 17th Mar 2008 22:38
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Quote: "As a point of interest, if Iframes are generally frowned upon, how are elements (such as the navbar, news ticker and footer) shared between pages? All of the examples I've found use CSS, but in such a way that the navbar etc. is in the HTML itself. Is there any specific method?"


use PHP scripts to append them on server side

http://devzone.zend.com/node/view/id/636


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Dr Schnitzengruber
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Posted: 18th Mar 2008 04:44
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Quote: "As a point of interest, if Iframes are generally frowned upon, how are elements (such as the navbar, news ticker and footer) shared between pages? All of the examples I've found use CSS, but in such a way that the navbar etc. is in the HTML itself. Is there any specific method?"


In asp.net, a master page is used and in most *good* php scripts, templates are used so that the php script loads the html in the template, fills in the required information(such as the currently viewed web page) and outputs that to the client.

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Quote: "As a point of interest, if Iframes are generally frowned upon, how are elements (such as the navbar, news ticker and footer) shared between pages? All of the examples I've found use CSS, but in such a way that the navbar etc. is in the HTML itself. Is there any specific method?"

I use tables in NVU. Its the only decent way!


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