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aluseus GOD
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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 00:43 Edited at: 12th Mar 2008 23:36
Anyway, so i forgot this paradoxes name but i decided to tell it to you guys. It's funny (and unsolved)

So there are two boxes, box A and box B. box A contains 1,000$. box B contains EITHER 0$ OR 1,000,000$.

Your choice is to take just box B, OR box B and box A.

A no brainer right? Well heres the next part.

A supercomputer/super smart being has predicted with a near perfect accuracy what you will pick. He did this a week ago. If he thought you would take just box B, he has left it with 1,000,000$, if he thought you would pick both boxes, he has left box B empty.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that the superbeing thing probes your mind so he can accurately predict what you will pick.

What should you do now?

Side 1:
"I'm picking both boxes, because he can't change whats in the boxes, the money is already there, if it's there, it's there!"

Side 2:
"I'm picking only box B, because if i pick both boxes, he probably already predicted that and left box B empty, so if I pick only box B it is very likely he put 1 million dollars in it."

What should you do?

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 00:46
I'm going for side 1. Rather something than nothing: $1000 is a lot .


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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 01:21
Didn't you already post this?


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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 01:36
I don't see the paradoxical side of that.

It's simply a gambling question, rather than a paradox.

A good ole paradox is like the Grandfather one:

If you had a time-machine, went back in time to when your grandfather was a child, and killed him, you would never be born.
But, if you're never born, then you couldn't go back in time to kill your grandfather.
Hence, you were born, which means you could go back in time to kill your grandfather... And so on

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 01:49
the paradox is each side has an equally, but contradictory point.

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 01:54 Edited at: 12th Mar 2008 02:04
@ Jess T

Might not be his biological grandfather.

Also, i believe that if someone somehow managed to go back in time and kill off their parents before they were born, then they would still live on. Just outside the normal timeline. You would create a huge timeline branch there. As for the murdering psycho-son, he would not "dissapear" because his real parents are still alive in a different ...timeline...dimension something?

It's very fun to ponder on things like that.

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 02:08
you simple minded people. the granfather paradox is obvious to answer. In time travel what actually happens, is that the laws of things reverse themselves so that everyting happens backwards in time travel. So when you get to your grandfather what would actually happen is that you'd kill him, but he would simply be your grandfather, now that became younger.

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 04:43
Quote: "you simple minded people. the granfather paradox is obvious to answer. In time travel what actually happens, is that the laws of things reverse themselves so that everyting happens backwards in time travel. So when you get to your grandfather what would actually happen is that you'd kill him, but he would simply be your grandfather, now that became younger."


Well, that made sense. I'll be sure to ask you, the time travel expert, when I build my own time machine but just can't figure out how to run the darn thing.

Also I believe I had a thread about time travel paradox thingys awhile back...Here 'tis.

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 04:49
Quote: "A contains 1,000$. box B contains EITHER 0$ OR 1,000,000$"
Quote: "if he thought you would pick both boxes, he has left box A empty"


I'll take both and get a million. It said he would leave box a empty so box b still got the cash


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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 11:14
I would take the super computer. It's worth alot more then one million dollars if it can predict what box your going to pick.

I also need a supercomputer to control the 3rd Death Star.

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 13:01 Edited at: 12th Mar 2008 13:02
Quote: "A supercomputer/super smart being has predicted with a near perfect accuracy what you will pick"


A super smart human being will weigh up the odds. Not knowing who I am, the odds of me taking either option are close to 50%. Thus, it is a far smarter option to put in £1,000 and £0 given the probability of losing £1,000,000. No smart person (or computer) gambles against probability.

Even if the chances of me taking a specific option was 99%, the odds still outweigh the chance taken of me getting $1,000,000.

Conclusion : A smart human / computer will always ensure you end up with <= £1,000. Thus, take only Box A.
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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 14:15 Edited at: 12th Mar 2008 14:16
Box A contains $1k
Box B contains either $0 or $1mil

You can either take box A - defo $1k
or you can take box A & box B - defo $1k + possible $1mil or $0 = minimum$1k but coudld be$1.1mil

Am I reading it wrong - I'd go for option 2: BoxA + BoxB - super computer or not - its best choice.

Maybe I've read it wrong.

Talking of paradoxes, heres a good one (I think its from a Star-Trek film):

Quote: "
The statement below is true.
The statement above is false."



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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 16:07
I love the star trek paradox where spock says to some robots "Everything I tell you is a lie" They all just start blowing up, lol


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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 17:13
My favorite Paradox:

Could Jesus cook a burrito so hot, that he HIMSELF could not eat it?

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 19:17
There's actually a basis in there for the omnipotence impossible theory, but that's going into religious stuff so I'll shut my fat mouth about that.
So now, I shall pick apart a reply.
Quote: "you simple minded people."

A little rich...
Quote: "the granfather paradox is obvious to answer. In time travel what actually happens, is that the laws of things reverse themselves so that everyting happens backwards in time travel."

How on earth could you possibly know that? I'm sorry, but I'm inclined not to believe someone who is spouting on about paradoxes but hasn't bothered to capitalize his sentences.

Quote: "A supercomputer/super smart being has predicted with a near perfect accuracy"

This is the killer: If it were absolutely perfect then the obvious answer is B, but the near throws a spanner in the works.

And didn't you post this a while back?

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 19:33 Edited at: 12th Mar 2008 19:40
Aluseus,

Actually, as most scientist suggest that study the idea of time-travel, there is not just one global time that is followed by the whole universe. Every particle has a time of its own, so if you were to go back in time, you would get younger and younger, but everything else would stay the same age...


... simple minded kid


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Infact, my mistake, this has been proven (Well, for very slight forward time travel anyway)

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 19:56
Quote: "so if you were to go back in time, you would get younger and younger, but everything else would stay the same age..."


That sounds a bit wierd. Time is local to you and whatever you're traveling in/with. I don't think you would get any younger, but i haven't done my share of time traveling so i can't say for sure.

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 23:25
I think if anyone is smart enough to build a time machine, they're smart enough to know it's a bad idea.

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 23:34
Quote: "I think if anyone is smart enough to build a time machine, they're smart enough to know it's a bad idea."


People have already created timemachines,we are our own time machines in a sense that time has happened before for instances when we have the big crunch in 69664639504.1 billion years all the matter will get too that point again and it will couse the big bang in exactly the same way this means that all the matter will be spread across the universe in exactly the same point in time and space meaning everything will start again and in another trillion years ill be having this same conversation too you agian

so till the next trillion year bear this in mind

well this is just my theory
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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 23:36
Quote: "well this is just my theory "


People might take your theory more seriously if it contained punctuation.

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Posted: 12th Mar 2008 23:38
@ people who responded to my answer to the grandfather paradox
It was a joke

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The grandfather paradox is interesting. But would never have a chance to exist - not just because travelling in time is impossible. If you could actually travel in time, you would not exist before your father. That is the only valid paradox. If that is wrong, the whole sequence will be wrong.

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Quote: "The grandfather paradox is interesting. But would never have a chance to exist - not just because travelling in time is impossible. If you could actually travel in time, you would not exist before your father. That is the only valid paradox. If that is wrong, the whole sequence will be wrong. "


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Posted: 13th Mar 2008 01:09 Edited at: 13th Mar 2008 01:11
^^ That is a nice philosophy of life, Osiris. Keep it up. I do not enjoy the word "impossible".

Can you do the favour of telling me what you think that the time is?

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No comment on the Jesus-Burrito paradox? Its a serious paradox, you know.

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Posted: 13th Mar 2008 21:23
I'd comment, but i would probably get slapped for it. So, no.

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Posted: 14th Mar 2008 23:21 Edited at: 14th Mar 2008 23:22
Quote: "No comment on the Jesus-Burrito paradox? Its a serious paradox, you know."


Religious types (I've heard this on NPR (National Public Radio)) might say that Jesus could in fact make a super awesome inedible burrito, but why would he?

That's what they say.

As for time travel, I don't believe it's possible simply because we don't have time travelers.

I don't buy the excuse that "maybe we can't see them, or maybe they don't want to be known". Truth is, they'd have fixed the issue of us not seeing them, and they certainly would want to be known. They're humans for freak's sake

There's always people who want to clog the airwaves, and that would be true for timewaves as well.


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This is an easy one. When ever he probes your mind just think about the million dollars and then he will go and put it in box B.

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How do you know he probes your mind? He just 'Predicts'.

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Quote: "Don't say something is impossible, because you might be proven wrong someday."

"When something is impossible to do, ther will be always an idiot who don't know about it and he'll do that"

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I prefer the Banach-Tarski paradox. At least it can actually be used for material gain.

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As for the Jesus-burrito paradox, heres the answer:


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Guys... stop bashing yourselves endlessly over the heads for no reason.

Time simply does not exist.

The way see it, the past ceases to exist once it is no longer the present, and the future is whatever you make of it. So the only thing that's real is now, the present time. It's not like everything that happens is written down somewhere, as a time-line, and people call it 'the past'. What has already happened is completely different in everyone's own perspectives, so there's no way it's real once it's already happened. If you punched a guy in the face in USA, to someone in Switzerland- it's not even the past because the event never occurred to them. What you think of as the past is just a chain of memories, stored like an array in your mind. Sure historians write it down, but once again they're only writing down their memories from their own perspective. It just doesn't make sense to call 'the past' real.

The way Gary Busy see's it, "The past is history, the future is a mystery, and right now is a gift... that's why it's called present"


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Ummm.....ouch, my brain hurts. Bad.


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I dunno, xeno, people can experience time differently than others. For example, people who are sick tend to feel time is moving slower. They've been timed on how long they think a second was, and they come up shorter than the average healthy dude.

If you launch a clock towards the speed of light, when it returns, it will be running ahead of schedule.

So time can be changed. If time can be changed, there's some idea that time is a sort of dimension that could potentially be modified just like moving an object on a physical dimension.


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Time is relative.
The faster you are moving, the slower time seems to move for you. For example, astronuats who spend months orbiting the earth in a space station at incredibly high speeds actually return to earth a few sceonds younger than when they first left.
Have you ever heard the expression "time flies when you're having fun"? well, it really does. Time is relative, not only to your speed, but to how much attention you are paying to it, and what you ARE paying attention to.
To make that sentence make more sense, think about this:

Lets say you are sitting at a table, staring at a clock. you are not doing anything else, JUST staring at a clock, watching the seconds tick by.
Time is going to seem very slow, because you are paying close attention to it. you are counting every second that ticks by, and doing nothing else.
OR
Lets say you are playing your favorite video game with your pals, and youre all having fun, not paying any attention to the clock. Before you know it, five hours have past!
Time will seems to have gone very fast, because you are paying no attention to it. you are too engrossed in your gaming to care about the time, so time seems to have flow by.

Time is relative.

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Quote: "For example, astronuats who spend months orbiting the earth in a space station at incredibly high speeds actually return to earth a few sceonds younger than when they first left."

Rubbish. Surely?

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Quote: "For example, astronuats who spend months orbiting the earth in a space station at incredibly high speeds actually return to earth a few sceonds younger than when they first left."

No, that would be travelling back in time. I think what you meant to say is that they are just seconds younger than they would have been if they had stayed on earth.

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^ yes thats what I meant. I read this in a science textbook in 12th grade.

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I have an hypothesis, if I would swing my arm around and around (at the speed of light, mind you) for a good while, say 20 years. Would my arm stay "frozen" young relative from the rest of the body? That is, if it's still attached and I haven't burrowed myself into a mountain or something worse.

Have you heard about the two german scientists who managed to send and recieve signals at almost 5x the speed of light using quantum tunneling? Interesting stuff.

http://www.dailytech.com/German+Scientists+Declare+Speed+of+Light+Broken/article8487.htm

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Hmm... An iteresting theory. I don't quite think that your arm would stay younger than the rest of your body. The reason the astronauts stay younger is because their entire bodies are moving at such an incredible speed relative to earth. If you moved just your arm ON EARTH, then your body would be staying at the same speed as the earths rotations. So, apart from your arm becoming incredibly strong and/or flying off, I don't think much would happen. And unfortunately, there's no way to put your theory to a test, since no living creature could possibl move any part of it's body that fast.

Funny side note: Has anyone seen the TV show, "The venture brothers"? One of the villains, "The Phantom limb", got his evil powers when an experimental muscle growth accelerator accelerated his limbs to the speed of light. So they turned invisible and gave him the power to kill people by touchin them. (or something like that.)
Just thought that was an interesting coincidence. Unless Grandma was referencing that show?

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