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Geek Culture / AGP, PCI, PCI Express Graphics cards/MoBo. BOY, AM I CONFUSED!

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Blobby 101
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Posted: 15th Mar 2008 22:15
ok, i'm thinking of buying a new Graphics Card. An NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS, It is compatible with DX9 apparently and it supports shader model 4 and 3. that's great for me BUT it's a PCI express card. I don't know whether my MoBo supports PCI Express, i can't find it in DXdiag and from what i've found doing research, my Current card is either AGP or PCI (not express).
This leaves me with two questions:

A)Is my Card/MoBo gonna be AGP or PCI?
B)Does this leave me with no chance of getting a PCI Express card to work?

oh, and my card is an NVIDIA GeForce2 MX.


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Samoz83
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Posted: 15th Mar 2008 22:23
it looks like you cannot get a PCI-E card without a mobo upgrade the GeForce 2 MX is a AGP card

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Blobby 101
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Posted: 15th Mar 2008 22:38
dang, it would probs be easier to get a new PC than to Try and upgrade the MoBo wouldn't it? i can install a graphics card but a MoBo is a different story! lol. gah, well, thanks for the help anyway.


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Lucifer
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Posted: 16th Mar 2008 00:29
Quote: " it would probs be easier to get a new PC than to Try and upgrade the MoBo wouldn't it?"


if you still have geforce 2, then i think it's time to get a new pc

stuff..
bitJericho
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Posted: 16th Mar 2008 05:22
Quote: "if you still have geforce 2, then i think it's time to get a new pc"


Agreed!


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Posted: 16th Mar 2008 06:27
Quote: "if you still have geforce 2, then i think it's time to get a new pc"
It was time for a new PC 4 years ago.

Blobby 101
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Posted: 16th Mar 2008 09:43
thanks guys, looks like i'll have to start saving up!


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5867Dude
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Posted: 16th Mar 2008 10:51
Here is a good, cheap system (£130) which has a PCI-Express Slot
http://www.saverstore.com/productinfo/product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=20019566&pid=2&tid=67

And for the card
8600GT £60 but performs a lot better than the 8400GS
http://www.saverstore.com/productinfo/Product.aspx?product_id=20019464&rstrat=12707


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David Gervais
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Posted: 16th Mar 2008 11:32
you can get a decent mobo for around $120 and where they sell mobo's they can probably transfer your old stuff to it for you, (small fee may apply) still cheaper than buying a full computer..

Personally I like to upgrade in stages.. I get a new tower and have the techs transfer all my old stuff into the new tower. (I also have them change the CPU fan at the same time and do an overall cleaning) total cost for the new tower, transfer and claening about $130. (the tower is $80 they charge a flat rate of $25 to to the transfer and cleaning. and a new CPU fan costs $25)

It's also a good idea to add memory at this time too, if you happen to have less than a gig. I'm gonna be doing this in a week or so.

For about $200 I'll have what looks like a brand new Computer, with quieter fans, 2 gig of ram (instead of 1 gig) And I'll be able to slowly upgrade parts as time/cash permits, New HD etc.

Just an thought, Cheers!

FredP
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Posted: 17th Mar 2008 08:11
I figure $250 or so to upgrade my pc to Vista.
If your computer has pci slots only in it then there are direct x 10 cards that will fit in a pci slot.
You can find the list I have found here in this thread.
You might check them out but your best bet would be to upgrade.
I really need a new pc but what I think I will have to do is upgrade this one to the max while buying parts and building my own pc (not getting ripped off by the sales punks at Best Buy again...Sure this pc will be great for making games...he says...yeah,if they are text adventures.)
I want to build my own rig and then brag to all my friends (you guys) about it and post pics and such.
You appear to be about in the same boat as me.I have been using this keyboard since 1999...heck I even dumped about a quart of coffee onto it and had to let it drip-dry.
In that time I have went through two other keyboards but this one always works.It is so old it clicks like a typewriter when you hit the keys.
The only original parts I have of the last pc I bought (from Best Buy) in February 2004 are the mouse,the tower (and I have modified that) and the printer (which is out of ink).
For the love of all that is sane if you see "EMachines" on a pc...DON'T BUY IT!
I thought the Radeon 9250 I installed recently until I can afford the good stuff was ancient but I think your GeoForce 2 has got it beat.

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Blobby 101
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Posted: 17th Mar 2008 09:33 Edited at: 17th Mar 2008 09:34
thanks for the advise everyone!

David: that's a good idea, I'll try to find somewhere where they will transfer my old stuff.

FredP: thanks, but i'm going to be sticking with XP, as much as DX10 looks cool, i want to stick using the stuff i have and not find all these compatibility problems.
EDIT: YAY! my slap is over! - ok, i won't post anything else off topic.


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Posted: 17th Mar 2008 10:07
I don't blame you for sticking with XP.If it wasn't absolutely neccesary I wouldn't upgrade to Vista.

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Keo C
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Posted: 17th Mar 2008 17:25
I just stuck an 8600GT in my box, still using XP. I'm going to dual-boot XP and Vista when I upgrade.


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Posted: 17th Mar 2008 17:28 Edited at: 18th Mar 2008 13:12
For AGP the nVidia 7600GS and above range are good. Might require a power supply upgrade is you go above the 7600GS though.

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Posted: 19th Mar 2008 03:52
I just upgraded from a radeon 2600 xt 512, to a bfg 9600 gt oc.

A lot of the newer cards are using 65nm chips instead of 90nm allowing for more bang with less watts. My bfg only recommends 400 and im running fine with 370 plays back hd dvd / blu ray in 1080p through hdmi on my 61 inch samsung smoothly too.

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Posted: 19th Mar 2008 04:40 Edited at: 19th Mar 2008 04:43
Don't even think about getting any geforce 8 card lower than the 8600 series. An 8400GS is like 2-3 series back from the geforce 8 series. All geforce 8 series grphics cards support direct x 10. And I strongly suggest that you just buy a new computer. If it is that old getting a new motherboard will almost certainly cause compatibility issues. Why? Because hardware manufacturers switch the interfaces so you are force to buy the latest technology. Ex. the spikes on the bottom of processors are moved around (intel does this more than AMD) so they don't fit and you have to get a new motherboard.

My rule- upgrade your computer when nessacary until it reaches 4 years old, then get a new one with the newest interfaces.
bitJericho
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Posted: 21st Mar 2008 18:27 Edited at: 21st Mar 2008 20:05
Quote: "Why? Because hardware manufacturers switch the interfaces so you are force to buy the latest technology."


In reality it's done to support a higher end bandwidth and keep silly people from putting unsupported hardware in the slot.

For example, a PCI socket is much faster than an ISA socket, but hardware made for ISA could never work in a PCI slot, even if the pin layout were the same.

As for processors, intel's been using lga-775 for years now, since the Pentium 4, and we're already on Core Quads with no mention of a new pin layout

It does make it harder for us computer builders, because we have to verify that the mobo we are getting is compatible with the processor we want to use, even though the Socket is correct, the northbridge also has to be compatible, which it often is not for certain processors. An example would be buying a dated mobo and attempting to use a core quad in it.

The 8400gs is not 2-3 series back, it's just the low end of the 8 series. It's completely directx10 compatible, and actually quite capable. I can play COD 4 on medium settings just fine. Try playing that on a geforce 4 sometime I doubt it would run well on 6 series graphics card either. By the time you get into the 7 series, it's in many ways the same card, but without directx 10 capability.

But I agree with gamebird on the fact that a new computer is needed at this point. I wouldn't trust the hard drives or disk drives, or power supply either.

All that needs an overhaul. On any new computer you should be using sata for all the drives. Since you're likely using ide, it's all outdated.

You might be able to get by with using the same case.


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Posted: 21st Mar 2008 20:03
Quote: "I figure $250 or so to upgrade my pc to Vista."


Since when is Vista considered an upgrade?


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Posted: 21st Mar 2008 21:03
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Posted: 21st Mar 2008 22:48
What I meant was to upgrade it to Vista for running FPSC x10.
Whether Vista is an upgrade or not is debatable though...

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Posted: 21st Mar 2008 23:15
Quote: "My bfg only recommends 400 and im running fine with 370"

It's not the watts but the amps.


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Posted: 21st Mar 2008 23:20
Quote: "It's not the watts but the amps."

After getting struck with 440 volts 3 times I can attest to that...


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Posted: 21st Mar 2008 23:35
Quote: "After getting struck with 440 volts 3 times I can attest to that...
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