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ShaunRW
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 10:21
i originaly pre-orederd gta iv from amazon.com but i would of got the ntsc version not pal so i canceled it
then i went to amazon.co.uk and it was unable to be deliverd to me for some reason
and a few weeks ago i went to game.co.uk and 6 days to go i got an email telling me that the order got cancled
from being to heavy.

this sucks someone dont want me to have gta 4!!!!!


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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 10:28
I got mine pre-ordered and will collect in store, if it's not there waiting for me on Tuesday I will take a pair of pliers to the counter-gimps piercings .

Amazon has been letting me down recently, I ordered a new keyboard in March, they promised delivery between the 16th and 30th of April, and got an email yesterday saying it'll be the end of May before it's sent. It's a blooming Logitech keyboard, not the Holy Grail!. I'd cancel the order and find a new one, but I know that any keyboard I find I'll wonder about the one that got away!, so I'm using this as a test of patience.


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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 10:35
hey do any one know where i can get it from(prefer online stores)???

Quote: "It's a blooming Logitech keyboard, not the Holy Grail!."


yeah i got a logitech g15 gaming keyboard. its great!!



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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 12:34
sucks for me ihave to buy a ps3 or x360 if i want to play the game

really hope pc version comes out soon

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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 12:55
sames, $800 is a bit much to play 2 games (for a PS3 with GT5 and GTA4)


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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 13:12
Im waiting for the pc version. However long it will take.

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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 13:41
ouch thats gonna be a while i coulnd wait that long..lol

if u buy a consol try getting a 360 since the online will be awsome.

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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 13:42
i saw an xbox in the shop the other day for $79 , but thats wont help since its not a 360 and there is no way im gonna pay for xbox live.


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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 13:52
The multiplayer modes in GTA4 will be worth the price of a 360 alone - seriously, that'll be one major XBL game, no wonder EA want it for themselves!

So proud of Rockstar North, being a Scot, they make the biggest games and games that actually last. I wish they would do a behind scenes thing for XBL, like Lionhead do with Fable2, I think it would be pretty fascinating to see what they get up to.


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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 14:14
I think a lot of retailers have already sold all of their initially allocated copies. Even GAME (the UK's biggest high street gaming chain) are having trouble keeping up with demand and are apparently making lots of calls to Take2.
Don't turn this into a console war thread (again) but surprisingly the PS3 preorders seem to have far outsold the 360 preorders. Both versions are selling incredibly well but ASDA are recording a 3:1 ratio of PS3 to 360 GTAIV preorders. Even as a PS3 fan I am kind of amazed by this, especially as all of the advertising seems to be aimed at the 360 version. I am guessing it must be all of the existing GTA fans upgrading from PS2 to PS3 but I am still surprised after all of the hype. Some retailers are even offering extra incentives with the 360 version (like 1000 XBL points). More info here. Sony have also just confirmed a PS3 & GTAIV bundle (£319.99) which should sell nicely but that's not included in the preorder figures.


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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 14:16 Edited at: 23rd Apr 2008 14:28
Quote: "that'll be one major XBL game, no wonder EA want it for themselves!"

i really hope ea dont get it cuz all there games have advirtising and its bloody anoying....
Quote: "they make the biggest games and games that actually last."

i can ply san andreas now and still play for a while with out getting board of it .... lol
Quote: "I wish they would do a behind scenes thing for XBL, like Lionhead do with Fable2, I think it would be pretty fascinating to see what they get up to."

true about the lionhead vids i allways watchem there quit interesting and i would love to see r* working...lol
Quote: "I think a lot of retailers have already sold all of their initially allocated copies. Even GAME (the UK's biggest high street gaming chain) are having trouble keeping up with demand and are apparently making lots of calls to Take2.
Don't turn this into a console war thread (again) but surprisingly the PS3 preorders seem to have far outsold the 360 preorders. Both versions are selling incredibly well but ASDA are recording a 3:1 ratio of PS3 to 360 GTAIV preorders. Even as a PS3 fan I am kind of amazed by this, especially as all of the advertising seems to be aimed at the 360 version. I am guessing it must be all of the existing GTA fans upgrading from PS2 to PS3 but I am still surprised after all of the hype. Some retailers are even offering extra incentives with the 360 version (like 1000 XBL points). More info here. Sony have also just confirmed a PS3 & GTAIV bundle (£319.99) which should sell nicely but that's not included in the preorder figures"


most people probally already own a ps3 or a ps3 fanboy

i no im an xbox fanboy...lol

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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 14:37
probably because the GFX are better in PS3, but it also supprises me as the 360 has been out longer so more ppl would have one. Oh well idk, i just want it on my PC


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Quote: "probably because the GFX are better in PS3, but it also supprises me as the 360 has been out longer so more ppl would have one. Oh well idk, i just want it on my PC"


watch out u might start a consol war,
sega master system ftw... lol jks


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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 14:43
oh my bad, sorry about that :S
maybe its because the PS3 is newer so people that want the game and dont have a 360 might go for the ps3...eventho its a lot of money


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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 14:54
I guess its more about what people know, My brother wants a PS3, not because its better, but because its a playstation, as for the new GTA, I'll proberley wait a while as they will proberley charge more at first, Rip off those that will pay more first, then lower the price to make it accessable to other, thats how these things usually work.

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Quote: "The multiplayer modes in GTA4 will be worth the price of a 360 alone"


Too true. I was watching a trailer of it for about 10 mins in JB-HiFi today, it looks absolutely awesome.


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You know that the PS3 has the same online multiplayer matches as the 360, don't you? I know there were comments at the start of the year from Microsoft who said only the 360 will have online play but it wasn't true.


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Yes, but that's immaterial for those of us who don't own a PS3. Nobody has said that the PS3 version is lacking anything, in fact people are suggesting that the PS3 version has better graphics, more people are reserving it etc etc.

Personally I don't think there'll be very much difference, it's not like the media they use on the PS3 will be any different to the 360, it's just a typical Sony straw grasp because they couldn't secure an exclusive this time round.
Anyone else remember how SA on the XBox took ages to arrive and the PS2 version was out first? - the fact that both versions are being released in unison should tell us something.


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I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of PS3 owners already had GTA4 in mind when they bought the system, 360 have had a lot more cool games. A lot of PS2 owners have probably waited to upgrade to a PS3 until one of the big games comes so they might be pre-ordering now and walk into a store to get a PS3 in time for the game; PS2 owners are more likely to upgrade to a PS3 then a 360.

As for graphics, the media may be the exact same but if they make good use of the PS3 hardware then it should be able to process more stuff on the screen such as particles and probably shaders too. They can have chosen to use higher resolution textures and/or more detailed models as well with little effort if they planned it from the start. Or the game looks exactly the same on both

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Quote: "Anyone else remember how SA on the XBox took ages to arrive and the PS2 version was out first?"

Indeed I do. There is a game I bought, played and cast into a ever growing pile of uncompleted games.
I didn't think much of SA compared to Vice City.

Hoping GTAIV will blow me away.

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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 16:53
pre-ordered and coming to me on Tuesday.
Vice city was easily my favourite one, with the best music i may add, i did not think much of SA either.

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I loved GTA:SA the most, maybe because I grew up with those gangster movies like Boyz in the Hood and New Jack City - I always found Vice City to be a bit cheesy for my liking. I think SA had the best sandbox features as well, the casino's and BMX's especially .


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Quote: "Yes, but that's immaterial for those of us who don't own a PS3. Nobody has said that the PS3 version is lacking anything"

I know, but its not immaterial for those of us that do . It was just for people saying that the multiplayer modes make it worth getting the 360 version. I thought I would point out that its the same on the PS3 incase people didn't know (especially after MS tried to make out the online multiplay was exclusive to the 360).
Both versions do look as identical as they can look. They both can output at 1080p although both are natively 720p and upscale. They both have the same online multiplayer modes (e.g. Deathmatch, Cops & Crooks, Mafiya Work, Noose Assault etc) and they are both the same price. I think it will be an equally excellent game on both systems.


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Vice City rocks, I have forgotten how many times I ended up just aimlessly driving around listening to the cool tunes on the radio.

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No offence to the fans here but from what I have seen on the trailers, the graphics are not great and the explosions look terrible. Maybe its just me... But I suppose it's all about gameplay.
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 21:38 Edited at: 23rd Apr 2008 21:40
Do none of you know that MS paid $50 million for exclusive downloadable content for GTA IV? If you have both systems, it would be ludicrous to get the PS3 version. On 360 you will be able to get exclusive downloadable "episodes", which makes it a given to be the version of choice. I'd be highly surprised dual console owners would choose the PS3 version.

Quote: "probably because the GFX are better in PS3, but it also supprises me as the 360 has been out longer so more ppl would have one."


The engine they are using runs and looks exactly the same on both versions This has been confirmed and tested by various outlets. Don't expect the Wii version (which might come out later) to look as good

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Quote: "Both versions are selling incredibly well but ASDA are recording a 3:1 ratio of PS3 to 360 GTAIV preorders."


Do you have a source for this? It's news to me.


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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 21:45 Edited at: 23rd Apr 2008 21:45
Quote: ""Both versions are selling incredibly well but ASDA are recording a 3:1 ratio of PS3 to 360 GTAIV preorders.""


I have also read this in a gaming magazine in the U.K.


Apparently the PS3 will get some exclusive content too.

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http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=68768

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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 21:47
If that's true, and the content will be different, I wonder how many people will buy both versions?

I'm not holding my breath for it to be true, as I've never seen that information on any other site, and that article is quite old.


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Quote: "if u buy a consol try getting a 360 since the online will be awsome."


I already have the ps3 and the wii. I just want it for the computer, because I happen to like computer games better.

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Posted: 23rd Apr 2008 22:42
The only thing thats different between the versions is that microsoft have paid for some exclusive DLC rights, or so i hear. Lets not turn this into a console war.

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Quote: "Lets not turn this into a console war."


Fight..fight..fight..


Seriously though, this game looks awesome on all platforms. This is on my wishlist including Gran Turismo 5 and the new Alone in the Dark.


Check this out:

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Quote: "Do none of you know that MS paid $50 million for exclusive downloadable content for GTA IV?"

There has been very little released about the exclusive extra content but the current rumour is that it won't be released until at least the forth quarter of 2008, and definitely won't be free. Its being done as two episodes released separately and costing MS $25 million each. They also apparently paid $5 million just for the prestige of being the first to announce the game at E3 2006. I can't imagine how much they will charge for these extra episodes in order to make that money back.
I had also heard that the PS3 version will get extra content too, just different to the 360 stuff. I can't see this being complete episodes though, at least not for another year anyway. I expect the huge amount of money MS have handed over will come with some very strict rules.
Quote: "Do you have a source for this? It's news to me."

Yes, I posted a link in my original message. MCV had an interview with ASDA's 'head of games'. Here it is again:
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/30297/Sony-and-Microsoft-battle-it-out-for-GTA-IV-sales


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Sux that they delay the PC version to increase console sales

Somone should complin to their MP or the EU or somethin it's so unjust!!!

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Posted: 24th Apr 2008 03:46
Quote: "and definitely won't be free. "


I doubt anybody is surprised by that. How many expansions are free? The fact is that it's extra gameplay content, hours worth, and most GTA fanboys will eat it up I'll probably be happy enough with the 45 hours in the original retail game as it is, but to have the option is worth it.

Also, I don't think MS will have to make the money back in direct sales of the episodes. They are banking on making the money back on 360 hardware sales and in turn those people buying other games as well. I just can't see them selling the 10 million copies of the episodes to make it all back on just that


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Some Australian Gamers have received theirs in the post today... lucky gits

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Quote: "I doubt anybody is surprised by that. How many expansions are free?"

I just think its a little odd that they put so much money and hype behind the fact that customers will have to pay to expand the game. Why pay $50 million extra for that when so many other games already offer expansion packs for purchase anyway? It just seems they were scared that if these episodes also got released on the PS3, nobody would buy the 360 version - which is silly.
There are several games (on the PS3 at least) which have extra gaming modes and add ons for free. As an example (just off the top of my head) 'MotorStorm' has a free 'Time Trial' game mode for download with online ratings, 'Pain' has a free 'Fun with Explosives' game mode to download for free (an excellent game by the way), 'Ridge Racer 7' has 25 special racing events to download for free and the official 'Unreal Tournament III' expansion map pack is free too. Its not that unusual to offer customers who have already bought the game some free extra hours of gameplay after the game is out a few months. Keeps them coming back for more.


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Anybody else thinks that we gamers suffers because MS and Sony battle each other by paying developers for this and that? I think that a game should be fully released on all platforms that it is actually released for, not this whole "buy this version and you get this exclusive content" crap. I also think that games should be released on all platforms at once if it's possible, I don't like it when they pay the developers to delay games on other systems. Let's face it, this only hurts us; we should be able to decide what console we want to play a game on. I think it's absolutely fair for a game to only be released on one or a few platforms, that's up to the developer and who pays for the development; just make it the same game.

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yep yep ^^^^ i agree
i got an xbox 360 and still think the ps3 should get the same as xbox
"its the same game right, so they should be the same on any console.."





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Posted: 24th Apr 2008 22:26 Edited at: 24th Apr 2008 22:30
Quote: "It just seems they were scared that if these episodes also got released on the PS3, nobody would buy the 360 version - which is silly."


The PlayStation brand is so much stronger than the Xbox brand, so if anything it was smart of Microsoft to acquire exclusive content to put the first step down in the GTA race. Anyone else remember Peter Moore's tattoo

Quote: "Its not that unusual to offer customers who have already bought the game some free extra hours of gameplay after the game is out a few months."


Actually as a test last night I went on the Xbox Live store and the PSN--- you've pretty much listed out most of the exceptions to the rule Most expansions and add-ons cost money. They'll usually tempt us with 1 free thing (i.e. a Pinball table for Zen Pinball), and then offer premium content down the road. It just doesn't make economic sense for a company to spend time making things for free anymore.

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@DA - While I agree from a gamer's point of view, from an industry point of view nothing good can come from an "everything's the same on every console" industry. Some people are supporting the one console future theory--- I say a) it will *never* happen and b) it's anti-competitive, and dangerous for business.

I think it's great for those of us who have the 3 systems, because the consumer benefits from extra perks. I would probably be more critical of it if I just bought a Wii and wasted $200 on a system with a severe shortage of non-shovelware.


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Jeku:
Of course I was speaking from a gamer point of view. However, I think it's very anti-competitive if one company can use it's money to delay a game's release on it's competitors hardware or make it better for it's own.

I'm not saying that every game should come out on every system but that for every system a game comes out on it should be the same, provided the hardware supports it; that is, the content (missions/levels/weapons/etc) should at least be the same.

Everyone suffers, even you who own both (360 and PS3) systems must either buy and play through 2 separate versions (if both have exclusive content) or be content with not playing all content.

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Some friends of mine are already playing the game right now. I'm waiting for the release.


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Quote: "Some friends of mine are already playing the game right now. I'm waiting for the release."


yeah do they work at a retail store?
anyone who sell gta iv would easly just take one home.

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Quote: "Amazon has been letting me down recently, I ordered a new keyboard in March, they promised delivery between the 16th and 30th of April, and got an email yesterday saying it'll be the end of May before it's sent."


Yeah, I'm fed up with them as well. Maybe it's more appropriate to say that I'm fed up with the people selling stuff on there, but Amazon is the ones allowing them on there so... But anyway, to the point. I needed a textbook for one of courses at college. To avoid spending $140 on a stupid basic programming logic book, I went on amazon and got it new for like $70 (Still a rip off, since I already know this stuff from DBP, but it's required). I ordered this book from an Amazon vendor a week before class starts, and now I'm four weeks in and I finally just got it in the mail. Their excuse? "Oh, sorry about that. We're just a young married couple and we didn't check our mail for a while to see if we had any orders..." My response? "Oh, well the get the f*** off Amazon then, you have no business here." So now I have a month worths of classwork/homework to catch up on due to these numb nuts. That's the last time I do that. I hope after my sh!tty evaluation of them on Amazon that they get booted off the site. It's ridiculous. I mean I could have had a package delivered to some backwater, nose piercing, cannibal tribe in the heart of Africa before I received my package.

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a few days ago i went on the gta 4 site and accidentally put the wrong
birth year in so i couldnt enter. And i still cant enter the site today.
does anyone know how long this will last?
or if theres anyway around/stopping this?





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Yah, clear your browser cookies and go to the site again--- it should ask you for your birthday again.


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ok thanx

edit: it didnt work
edit2: i did it yay






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Posted: 25th Apr 2008 11:50
Quote: "a few days ago i went on the gta 4 site and accidentally put my real
birth year in so i couldnt enter. And i still cant enter the site today.
does anyone know how long this will last?
or if theres anyway around/stopping this?"


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ShaunRW
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Posted: 25th Apr 2008 12:30 Edited at: 25th Apr 2008 12:31
lol hey i didnt say i put my wrong birthday.
i went to put in 1990 but i put in 1991 and uno wouldnt let me in...lol



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Posted: 26th Apr 2008 02:27
IGN just posted their review. I believe it's the first full review of GTA 4. They gave it a perfect 10 out of 10 and said it's the best game to come out since Zelda: OOT. I refuse to read it just yet as I'm getting the game next week, but for those of you who are interested.


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Posted: 27th Apr 2008 03:52
For anyone still worrying about differences between the 360 or PS3 versions, you should notice that IGN's PS3 review of GTA IV is the exact same article!
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/869/869381p1.html
http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/869/869541p1.html

(There is one interesting paragraph at the very bottom of page 5, but I will skim over it )


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