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Geek Culture / Jack Thompson's stupid idea (another one)...

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Accoun
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Posted: 30th Apr 2008 23:30
You know Jack Thompson? The ultimate-GTA-hater? This time he had an idea how to destroy GTA & Take-Two. He told Strauss Zelnick's (CEO of T-2) mum on him!!!
Here's the link to the article and the letter to Staruss's mother:
http://news.filefront.com/jack-thompson-tattletales-to-strauss-zelnicks-mommy/
Again he showd the world he's a complete idiot...

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Sid Sinister
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Posted: 30th Apr 2008 23:36
This has already been discussed.

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=128386&b=2

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Posted: 30th Apr 2008 23:39
The only way he can do something. I heard they retracted his juridical stuff so he can't file official complaints anymore due to them being total nonsense.

I'm so looking forward to that 'kill the lawyer' mission in GTA4.


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Posted: 30th Apr 2008 23:43 Edited at: 30th Apr 2008 23:45
Ah, OK. I was't reading this thrad because I'm not interested so much in GTAIV so much...
@tha_rami: lol

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Posted: 30th Apr 2008 23:50
I do see a point in this, Its an odd action, but there is alot of violence in those games.
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Posted: 30th Apr 2008 23:52
But it's a 18+ game. Why the hell is he blaiming the makers, not the sellers?

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Posted: 30th Apr 2008 23:55
Erhm... why is he blaming the makers, and the sellers, instead of the buyers!?

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Posted: 1st May 2008 00:02
Yes, the buyers should also be blamed (but I have one question: is it common that when a kid can't buy a 18+ game, his parent do it for him? I've heard many stories about that, but I don't know if it's true - if it is, then yes, the buyers are mostly the one to balme...)

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Posted: 1st May 2008 00:04
This is pointless, trying to stop one game doesn't solve anything. These so called violent turning people will just find another source for violence, you can't stop the train while the wheels are in motion.

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Posted: 1st May 2008 00:06
Jack the Ripper did what he did becoz of teh violence on da internetz.

hmmm.

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Posted: 1st May 2008 00:07
Quote: "I do see a point in this, Its an odd action, but there is alot of violence in those games."


Not any more violent than hundreds of games I can name that came out over the past 10 years. Jack has a thing for Take Two.


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Posted: 1st May 2008 00:10
Well, it's so stupid that I wouldn't be suprised if he just couldn't beat any of GTA games

Quote: " people will just find another source for violence,"

They only need to watch the news...

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Posted: 1st May 2008 00:13 Edited at: 1st May 2008 00:17
Its just a sad old man's way to get attention and to fuel his pathetic life.

If there wasn't any violent media around there would still be crime. In fact there would probably be more.
I find running people over in GTA or similar games to a stress relief, not something that pumps me up to go killing people.

The people who commit murders are going to do it anyway, regardless on what games they have played.

Maybe people should start cracking down on the people who supply the guns:

Typical murder case interview:
"Well, when he checked the box saying: Yes I do have mental problems and: Yes I do have a criminal record, I was initially concerned, but sold him the gun anyway."

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Posted: 1st May 2008 00:14
Quote: "I do see a point in this, Its an odd action, but there is alot of violence in those games."


Games with violence all have warning labels in nice big letters. Jack Thomson is a liar, he twists information and completely fabricates statistics in the attempt to brainwash the public to think that all violence are caused by video games. Everything he says is pure garbage.
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Posted: 1st May 2008 00:15
Quote: "If there wasn't any violent media around there would still be crime."

If there wasn't any violence all news TV station would be ruined... ;-/

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Posted: 1st May 2008 00:21
Quote: "but I have one question: is it common that when a kid can't buy a 18+ game, his parent do it for him? I've heard many stories about that, but I don't know if it's true - if it is, then yes, the buyers are mostly the one to balme...)"

My parents give me 18 games but I purchase them with my own money. And blaming the buyers for showing kids violence is not their fault, as I can clearly state its not the developers nor sellers nor buyers its the random thick heads who take things to the extreme.


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Posted: 1st May 2008 00:22
Quote: "Again he showd the world he's a complete idiot..."


They are going to carve that into Jack Thompson's tombstone when he dies...
The sad thing is that he's been a complete idiot for years.
We all know it so why is this news?
How does this man even earn a living?Does he get paid to annoy people by the hour or does he annoy people for salary pay?
The way I do it is I check out what Jack does and do exactly the opposite.You can't go wrong that way.

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Quote: "Does he get paid to annoy people by the hour or does he annoy people for salary pay?"


I would honestly love that job. Just find really elaborate ways to annoy the hell out of people.

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Posted: 1st May 2008 00:39
Blaming video games, like blaming heavy metal draws too much attention from the real causes of violent youth and anti-social people, people have always tried to escape the real reasons why people like that. I'm sure GTA doesn't help, but it's not the problem or a cause, the actual problem is much larger and something only Scandinavian countries (in Western society) I'd say have really got right (at least to a much better extent than USA and UK). And that's a good education system, good child welfare and good parenting...and of course not these damn pathetic idols out there, like Paris Hilton who's idolised for being a right spoiled rich brat kid.

People like Jack Thompson, if they're not going to take you seriously, then it's not worth taking them seriously.

Video games like GTA may play some influence, but really it acts as a means more than a motive. You watch, when I'm in my late 20s there's going to be a new form of media that can convey violence to a mature audience that's going to have people on rampages over, saying how it hurts children.

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Posted: 1st May 2008 01:21
Well put, SA. I do not agree that the two social progams you mentioned (Education and child welfare) are so deficient in UK/US that they are as large an influence as parenting is. Here, its clearly the parents, imo. Generally, we prefer to blame something outside our control, rather than take on the burden of change, or any sort of admonition.

Now that I have been on both sides of that issue for some time...its all about parenting and personal responsibility. The education and welfare of children goes straight away to their parents. No education system has as much influence as that, and certainly there is no biological connection possible that is nearly as close. So, children develop a view from observing how their parents act, and experimenting with that. Violent people tend to have violent children, what a surprise.

Tipper Gore successfully lobbied against Midway with respect to Mortal Kombat, so there is a danger in the industry of being over the top with a game. I think that the next real danger is not violent content, but political and religious content.

I like games that also stress something else. History, science, art...I see it in alot of games. Even plausible science fiction engages the brain in a holistic manner...you are using more of your mental capacity, too. I enjoy watching my son play RPGs with puzzles. In Star Wars KOTR, you need to use math and pattern detection skills to hack into some things. Also, Ratchet And Clank (Not too violent, but...) has alot of thinking puzzles.

One of the laws created as a direct result of that effort by Tipper Gore is that stores are not supposed to sell MA games to minors, yet in 2003, my 8 year old son gave me Twisted Metal Black for the PS/2 for Christmas. I asked him how he got it, and he said, "I bought it at Best Buy." (btw, TMB is a great violent game.) That has been a problem for some time in Illinois, especially at Walmart.

The personal responsibility bit involves feeling well enough about yourself to quit searching for excuses for your behavior, and starting to behave in a way that does not require an apology in the first place. It is important to speak effectively with your children and parents. That is easy to say, and nearly imposible to do sometimes.
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Posted: 1st May 2008 02:58
Quote: "I do not agree that the two social progams you mentioned (Education and child welfare) are so deficient in UK/US that they are as large an influence as parenting is."


Out of the 12 richest countries, USA and UK sit at the bottom rated for child welfare, UK is the one on the bottom.

Education, I don't know what it's like in the US, but I have friends training to be teachers and having gotten to know some of the teachers at school and seeing what the teachers are like, there can be uproar with what teachers can and can't do and how teachers can even call a child 'naughty', it's never the child that's naughty now, it's their actions that are. It's really silly things like that. Plus there is really no moral prescription being emphasised as the teachers rely more on the parents to do that (and parenting is something that's declining in this country) heck drug, smoking, sex education and binge drinking are all topics being approach with the choice aspect. Giving kids a 'choice', they're going to more likely go for the most glamourous one, despite the warnings. Kids of a younger age tend to base morality on what they're told, and this is a part of their development stage. If education is causing problems there, then education is something bad. Though my education was bad in general.



If I misread your message, apologies, the reason I say this, I'm half asleep, so I probably should be off to bed.

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Going to bed, after all, is a choice.


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Posted: 1st May 2008 04:11
Jack Thompson is total nutbar. This guy's blaming games when it's the people with mentail issues killing people, not the games. I've played violent games for almost my whole life, and I never had to notion of killing people. Violent video games are a great stress reliever, because nothing makes you less stressed out than killing zombies with a chainsaw a la Doom 3. Mr. Thompson, get a break. Tattle-tales are for little 5 year-olds, not 50/60 year-olds. Crawl back into your hole, the world has had enough of you.

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