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Violent Pigeon
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Posted: 28th Jun 2008 22:11 Edited at: 28th Jun 2008 22:15
Well guys, im coming up to work experience and i was thinking about where i can go and learn about Game Design/Level Design for work experience.

Well, im generally interested in level design rather than modelling or programming but i know considerable mounts of both, do you have any advice on where a good place to go for Work experience would be, im in Great Britain but i can travel as one of my friends is going to japan for two weeks to study robotics at the robotics center or what ever. So yeah, any advice on good work experience places? Or maybe a place you have been yourself.

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 28th Jun 2008 22:24
My advice on Work Experience: Live from day to day, your two weeks working in a tool shop because "it is computer related" end eventually.


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Posted: 28th Jun 2008 22:44
I say lower the hell out of your standards and get a crappy job at wilkinsons like I did!

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Violent Pigeon
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Posted: 28th Jun 2008 23:02
Well if worse comes to worse, i will can work with my dad lol, he is a Computer Engineer, same thing my older brother did and he just lazed around all week lol. But no, i actually want to use my work experience to get experience of the industry

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 28th Jun 2008 23:04
Ha ha, you honestly think you can get industry experience from work experience? Yeah, right! The only thing you'll get experience in is making tea!


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Pus In Boots
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Posted: 28th Jun 2008 23:07
But making coffee IS good experience for programming.

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Posted: 28th Jun 2008 23:08
I must admit, you make a fair and valid point.


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Posted: 28th Jun 2008 23:12
When I do work experience, I'll probably do it at my mum's work, and seeing as I'm a better programmer than most of the people who work there, I don't think I'll just be making coffee (I've already been there a few times, and I usually make some games in VBA in excel, and they were so impressed that they used one of them on one of the training courses they do)

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Posted: 28th Jun 2008 23:18 Edited at: 28th Jun 2008 23:19
Work experience tends to mean you get experience in doing a low level job, working for a big company won't mean you get to do anything interesting, they may let you observe, but like NeX said, the only experience you'll get is making tea.

Probably better off at something less advanced that requires you to exercise transferable skills, saying a primary school? Or a shop assistant to prepare you for part-time jobs you might need when getting further qualifications.

I worked in a primary school and helped the reception teacher our with her class, it was fun, it was nothing I planned to do. It was fun, the kids were sad to see me leave and I realised that I was better at communicating better with children than adults (I interacting with the children in class a lot, but in the staff room I just read a book) and it was more dignifying than working in Wilkinsons. But what you do for work experience isn't really that significant, it's just 2 weeks of seeing how well you cope in a working environment.

"Experience never provides its judgments with true or strict universality; but only (through induction) with assumed and comparative universality." - Immanuel Kant
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Posted: 28th Jun 2008 23:44
I Know, but i dont want to be stuck somewhere lame when friends and people in my year are going to japan, thailand, america all studying like advanced robotics or things like that, i would be happy to sit around and watch them, i have never made tea before nor coffee. my brother makes it for me in exchange for games.

Even like a low level studio would be cool

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Posted: 28th Jun 2008 23:57 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 00:01
Quote: "Well if worse comes to worse, i will can work with my dad"


Last I heard you weren't allowed to take a placement with a relative, it might be different now though.

I spent 2 weeks at a local newspaper, was actually pretty good. I had a reasonable level of responsibility, was given plenty to do and had a coffee made for me (I later offered to make one for everyone else, it's the done thing lol).

At the time I was considering a career in journalism and it certainly helped me to see what it was like as a job.

Quote: "people in my year are going to japan, thailand, america all studying like advanced robotics or things like that"


Times have changed lol, I think the most 'exotic' experience anybody I know had was a kid who worked in a fishing shop that sold pornos to certain 'priviledged' customers for a bit of extra cash.

Like a lot of things, the school will be making a lot of fuss about something that will probably have little to no impact on the rest of your life. I lost count of the number of 'health and safety in the workplace' videos I had to sit through prior to going.

Violent Pigeon
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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 00:44
He He, yes you can now work with your relative and also i cant wait for those videos, ( Sarcasm >< )

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 01:19
Quote: "Last I heard you weren't allowed to take a placement with a relative, it might be different now though."


With us you could work with a relative under certain conditions, it wasn't as simple as "I wanna with my Dad", but you could work in the same place as him (saves on travel costs I guess)

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 01:39
Is this for University? There are lots of people I work with who are doing co-op work and they do exactly what the "real" employees do, and get paid and everything. Don't listen to the guys who say you'll do nothing but make tea--- if that was their experience they have nobody to blame but themselves.


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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 01:50
Where do you guys go to school? Sounds pretty weird to go for something like automotive engineering and do work experience at cub foods. Where I am we go to a company that does what we are going for (EA, Activision as examples for me, there don't have offices where I am, at least I don't think so, so it is an example) and we do stuff for them there. It may be simple stuff like making small graphics for stuff or helping out with things but its really the only way to prove yourself.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 01:59
I think he means work experience which you do around year 10 or 11 (age 15-16) in the UK, as opposed to an internship you might do while at university. Internships will generally give you a lot more responsibility and teach you more than work experience when you generally don't do anything..

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Violent Pigeon
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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 02:00
Osiris, thats the same as what we do here.

Jeku: Its High School, but were not meant to just make tea and coffee , and nobody does unless you pick a job in a coffee shop

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 02:02
Oh, see you should have said it wasn't for University lol.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 02:04
Quote: "Is this for University?"


No, it's what we do/did at school here in the UK, in your last couple of years they'll get you to work for a couple of weeks in a work place, usually somewhere insignificant, as a teaching assistant, shop assistant, farm helper or the person who fetches the tea and biscuits - the schools make a big deal out of it and I suppose it's a big deal, because it'll be the first time you face the responsibility of a job, even if it's a couple of weeks. But what you do your work experience has nothing to do with what you aim to do in the future as there are plenty of decent (and better) opportunities to get that work experience - either when doing an apprenticeship or any kind of post-16 education.

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Violent Pigeon
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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 02:08 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 02:11
Well, where i am everyone is trying to get a position in what they want to do in the future so i thought i would also

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 02:13 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 02:14
Quote: "No, it's what we do/did at school here in the UK, in your last couple of years they'll get you to work for a couple of weeks in a work place, usually somewhere insignificant, as a teaching assistant, shop assistant, farm helper or the person who fetches the tea and biscuits"


Ahhh I see--- when I was in Grade 11 and 12 they made us do that too. At the time it was kinda silly for me as I had already been working at a movie theatre.

What I did for my high school work experience was building, repairing, and selling computers at a "mom and pop" computer store in the small city I grew up in. It was great fun, and I learned a ton about computer hardware. The pay was pretty good too (for high school) as the government kicks in half the hourly wage.

I remember my interview clearly--- it was very scary because I had never touched the inside of a computer before and the boss just gave me a computer and told me to remove the motherboard and put in a new one. So the entire time I'm fumbling my way through the case they're telling me what is what, and where everything is, and asking me typical HR interview questions. I got the job anyways and kept it way past the job experience requirement


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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 02:27 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 02:27
Yeh back when I did mine a few people got offered part-time jobs off the back of the work they did so it's always better to try and get something you are interested in (obvious really). We were just given a list of placements and it was pretty much first come first served. One other person had chosen to go to the same place as me but the fact I was interested in it as a career got me in, no interview needed or anything with us.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 03:55
sounds cool fellas, still any advise on where i should ask to go?

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 03:59
Last.fm Is in London, I'd kill to work there

But uh, not really your field I guess.


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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 04:36
lol, i would kill to work in america, Crytech lol or Simutronics ( makers of heroengine ) or somebody like that. Would be immense, london is just constantly full of traffic and chav children lol ><

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Ubisoft, go there and beg to them for work experience. You could probably find someone fun and cool in the level design department willing to let you look on and stuff. I would love to have someone think it was cool to come and learn that stuff if I worked somewhere like that. But then again I think it would be fun to TA for my level design teacher, however I am the best at unreal ED out of our class...because I love making levels in it.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 12:50 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 12:51
Interviews, eh? I was supposed to arrange one, but plans got messed up and I just turned up on the day. No mention of it whatsoever. I did do a mock interview at school, but we ended up talking about GTAIV and breast physics in SCIV.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 21:32
Lol, did anyone go to a interview?

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I am convinced level design jobs happen exclusively through hook-ups and connections.

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Quote: "low level job"


The put me in charge of the backups of the computer systems for one of the RAF bases for a day Thank god nothing went wrong, but yeah mine was good, there was a coffee machine, so that problem was sorted. And they didn't treat me like a stupid school kid once it turned out that I knew almost as much about computers as them.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2008 20:18 Edited at: 30th Jun 2008 20:24
I got a job in a marketing company, and made an app to vastly improve efficiency of how they got details from "researchers" -> Sales team. I made about £220 altogether (they didn't pay me for the job, only what I did with the app. I know it's frankly a pittance in terms of software, but I was pleased).

Essentially, if you have "skillz" for writing apps, I suggest you find literally anywhere that uses computers - barring banks, most places are crying out for better systems to control stuff, and you can make yourself known if you can help the company without them digging too far into their wallet

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Quote: "Lol, did anyone go to a interview?"


Yeah, I did It was kind of pointless to be honest. I think I overplayed the modesty card though, because for the first week this guy kept explaining stuff to me as if I didn't understand PCs etc.


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Posted: 30th Jun 2008 20:31
Quote: "banks"


Can you imagine that? It'd be an interface made entirely out of white cubes on a blue background, and if you ever attempted a withdrawal it would hang with an error message along the lines of "Image not found at line 23495".


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Posted: 30th Jun 2008 21:28
Quote: "I am convinced level design jobs happen exclusively through hook-ups and connections."


Why is that? I've seen those jobs posted before.


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So any more ideas for me?

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@ Aikicat

They are normally internal appointments from the QA team.

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I'm going to work for British Aerospace at an RAF airbase for my work experience, can't wait

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Sounds cool

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I was supposed to be, and they let me down and so I was forced into the last job no one wanted to do.


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