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Robert F
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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 08:53 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 09:18
Anyone else here about The Large Hadron Collider created by CERN. It is possible for it to end the earth...

"It takes hydrogen nuclei and hurtles them in alternate directions at .999999% the speed of light then it collides them to effectively create the environment of the big bang millions of times per second. They monitor the explosions in what are essentially gigantic digital cameras. " Thanks Osiris


Take a look, heres the wikipedia page

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It is supposed to start up in August.

It really scares me to think... that maybe this is it. This is what ends it all. From reading comments posted on various sites, it doesnt seem to likely to happen. Though it could. Even a 1 in a 1000000000 chance scares me, but I guess thats no worse of me being struck by lighting. What do you guys think about this?

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 09:04 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 09:04
Quote: "I cant really explain what it does"


It takes hydrogen nuclei and hurtles them in alternate directions at .999999% the speed of light then it collides them to effectively create the environment of the big bang millions of times per second. They monitor the explosions in what are essentially gigantic digital cameras.


Frankly I don't see anything that could happen in there that's bad.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 12:20 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 12:24
Are the particle accelerator, they keep saying it's safe and that 'mini' blackhole may open up, however they will be so small with nothing to keep it together for too long, so they'll vapourise in seconds.

Of course I'd hate to think if the scientists make a miscalculaton or are wrong.

And mistakes can happen, it's only human (from the wikipedia link):

Quote: "On March 27, 2007, there was an incident during a pressure test involving one of the LHC's inner triplet magnet assemblies provided by Fermilab and KEK. No one was injured, but a cryogenic magnet support broke. Fermilab director Pier Oddone stated 'In this case we are dumbfounded that we missed some very simple balance of forces.'"


If there's a small mistake or something missed, then will it be stabl or safe?

If nothing goes wrong it'll be interesting to hear the results, though arguably it's a lot of money to spend on such an invention to propose a similation for the big bang, but not proving it happened, just how it may have happened. Though I suppose such an invention might prove later to have other uses.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 12:35
I've read and heard from different sources that the scientists aren't 100% sure that the black holes will vanish. Some think that they will eat up the earth from the inside. But hey, what a fun way to go.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 12:41
Awesome video on the collider:

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 13:09 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 13:18
I think with something like this you need to be 100% sure of the consequences, not 99.999% or anything like that.

Interesting video by the way.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 13:23
Apparently russian scientists claim the experiment will create a time tunnel <searches for old link>:

http://www.neatorama.com/2008/02/10/russian-scientists-creates-time-machine/

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 13:26 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 13:28
Quote: "I think with something like this you need to be 100% sure of the consequences, not 99.999% or anything like that."


Well, that's the thing. They can't for sure know that since they're experimenting with strange matter, which are unpredictable. As well as other .....things that are unknown by science. The only way to know is by experimenting. It's a catch-22 or what they call it.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 13:34 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 13:34
Well I mean the risks involved - at the end of the day if it's possible there could be a devastating consequence to their experiment, then is it worth doing it?

If they can ensure that it's safe, then it's not a problem. After all if it's possible that the matter maybe so unstable that it could take out a lot of lives within a certain radius, then it's a disaster and people die.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 13:44
Quote: "I think with something like this you need to be 100% sure of the consequences, not 99.999% or anything like that."


Wouldn't that destroy the point of it being an experiment?


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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 13:46
^He meant consequences as in what disasters could take place.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 14:53
Sorry if I sound stupid. But I completely miss the whole point of doing this? What do they gain from it?

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 16:00
Watch the video...

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 16:08
Heheheh, reminds me of what the scientists in Half Life were like.....

"Ok Gordon, the administrators want a conclusive picture of this super-reactive crystal we'll just ask you to stick in this huge beam of dangerous energy...."

"No no, it's safe, just put the crystal in"........*BOOM!*

If that screws up and headcrabs appear, I'm moving to Russia.....

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 16:20 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 16:20
Great, I'm 21 in August.

Maybe this is how the world will end in 2012.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 16:32
Quote: "Heheheh, reminds me of what the scientists in Half Life were like....."


I kept thinking Half Life, but refrained from saying it in case people wouldn't take me seriously.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 16:35
Old news, but honestly, the chance something goes wrong there is smaller than the chance the next best comet smashes into the earth ending us all. And that hasn't really happened, has it?


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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 18:40
Yeah, but the thing is, this is human controlable. A comet is not

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 18:52
Don't more extreme experiments occur naturally in the universe anyway?

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 18:53
What? Like Micheal Jackson?

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 18:56 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 18:56
If I recall correctly, the guy claiming it would destroy the world was a quack, and that calculations were indeed done to insure that it would not be harmful.

Seriously, I think we got nothing to worry about.


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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 19:00 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 19:04
He said naturally

Quote: "the chance something goes wrong there is smaller than the chance the next best comet smashes into the earth ending us all. And that hasn't really happened, has it?"


The difference is we can decide to not do something that, if gone wrong may kill a lot of people. I'm sure given the choice, we'd decide not to let comets come towards our planet. The experiment might go swimmingly, if not then we shall see.

If they can ensure there is no risk, then fine - otherwise I see it as being a stupid risk, life may be small on the scale of the universe, but they're not disposable or to be risked for the sake of 'knowing a little more than we did before'.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 19:10
If a black hole were made, for example, it would take hundreds, if not thousands of years for it to gain any kind of 'criticality' / effect, considering the scale CERN is working on


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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 19:19
Black holes that are able to eat planets come from collapsed stars. Colliding two subatomic particles will be harmless - do not worry.

If it does suck us in in an instant, then we won't be aware of it, will we now?

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 19:20 Edited at: 29th Jun 2008 19:21
Quote: "If recall correctly, the guy claiming it would destroy the world was a quack"


THE guy? As in one? I've listened to interviews and read articles from many different people having doubts. Surely there isn't just one. And of course people said he was a quack. He was in the minority was he not? They are usually called weirdos no matter if they're right or not. It's definitely not something I would go after when concluding whether someone/something is right or not.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 19:38
Wikipedia said:
Quote: "The plaintiffs include Walter L. Wagner who notably was unable to obtain an injunction against the much lower energy RHIC for similar concerns."


Which was the guy I was talking about. So he had the same complaints for the RHIC, and yet that hasn't killed us all.

Additionally, we've got an independent review on it:

http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html

Which totally dismisses the dangers. I personally, will be sleeping just fine tonight


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Posted: 29th Jun 2008 20:03
Quote: "I personally, will be sleeping just fine tonight"


....In the center of a black hole......

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@ Jerico2day

Yeah, I'm not afraid it will eat terra up either. Just staying open-minded is what I do. Time will tell.

This is personally what I believe will happen.


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Lol, nice Photoshop.....

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Quote: "What? Like Micheal Jackson?"


Haha so random, I love it


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Hay, no offending teh mangaz!

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Posted: 30th Jun 2008 01:44
Quote: "Which totally dismisses the dangers. I personally, will be sleeping just fine tonight"


Only if they're right about the whole thing, but we shall see. I mean I'm sure they know what they're doing and I doubt it won't happen, but you know - as long as they make sure nothing goes wrong, and know exactly that everything is in order before the go ahead and not overlook anything. Nuclear power is potentially dangerous, but they make sure everything is right, of course meltdowns have happened, despite the proclamation that they're nothing to worry about.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2008 20:15
Quote: "I doubt it won't happen"


== Double negative


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Posted: 30th Jun 2008 21:26
It was quarter to midnight, surely I can be excused?

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Posted: 30th Jun 2008 22:04
Of course not

I look forward to seeing what we learn from the LHC experiments, the risks are very unlikely to happen...

but if anything does happen it'll be a pretty cool way to go. Plus, it'll confuse all the aliens, "Say what ever happened to that planet called Earth?"

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Quote: "It was quarter to midnight, surely I can be excused?"


Is that late in England? That's usually when I start drinking a pot of coffee.


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Posted: 30th Jun 2008 22:16 Edited at: 30th Jun 2008 22:17
@ Tom J

Good point! We are after all an alien experiment. And the UFO sightings are them checking in on us, if we're doing all right. A reality show of sorts.

Then one day....

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Is that late in England? That's usually when I start drinking a pot of coffee."


Depends on how much sleep you need and what time time you wake up.

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It won't destroy the world, according to this post from last week:

http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/23/134251


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I takes two months for the nuclei to reach the speed they need to be at...

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I want my own mini black hole.

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Black Mesa thought there wouldn't be any problems with their portals, and look what happened to them!

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Quote: "I want my own mini black hole."


Put them in some form of see through container. They'd make a nice decoration.

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It could also be quite interesting feeding it small furry creatures! -->-->

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compression, lolz!

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Well its supposed to start up in sometime this month.


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