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Thraxas
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2008 12:24
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Quote: "So yes stabbings happen, but they're easier to survive from, it's harder to defend or recover from a gunshot"


My point was that removing guns doesn't stop the violence...

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Agent Dink
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2008 14:20
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I once did some research and found that in proportion (there's a significant population difference from what I remember) the UK had more overall crime related deaths than the US despite the fact they have a gun ban. Unfortunately, I don't have any proof of my research anymore. I will have to look it all up again someday and check it out.

Also, like MSon, though I realize this isn't really the topic of this conversation, havve always played violent games / watched violent films, and It's never negatively affected me. Actually, nowadays, I feel remorseful for even killing bugs. I try not to kill bugs unless they're being evil and invading my house or biting me.

Personally I think I'd rather be shot than stabbed or cut but that's just me. Maybe it's because I don't know what getting shot feels like? I don't know what a serious stab feels like either, but I know sharp metal edges feel horrible while getting normal cuts I dunno how emo's can cut themselves. That gives me the willies!

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jrowe
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Posted: 6th Jul 2008 22:26
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Quote: "I once did some research and found that in proportion (there's a significant population difference from what I remember) the UK had more overall crime related deaths than the US despite the fact they have a gun ban."


http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

The US has about 3 times the amount of murders per capita.

Quote: "But simply owning a gun is *not* wrong, and therefore banning guns is not the right move to curb gun violence. "


Unless you happen to be a huntsman or law enforcer the ONLY function a gun has is to inflict harm on someone, so many would argue that owning a gun is morally wrong.

In fact by owning a gun one becomes much more likely to be shot because of the gun's availability, e.g. A child may fire it, thinking it a toy or a loved one my fire it during a heated moment. I wouldn't endanger my family by having one in the house, they just make it incredibly easy to seriously hurt someone.

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Alucard94
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Posted: 6th Jul 2008 23:00
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I'm against guns all together, I could go on a huge rant about it but meh, the ice cream in my body makes me too happy for that now

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bitJericho
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Posted: 6th Jul 2008 23:01 Edited at: 6th Jul 2008 23:02
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Quote: "Unless you happen to be a huntsman or law enforcer the ONLY function a gun has is to inflict harm on someone, so many would argue that owning a gun is morally wrong."


Who would ever say that owning one is great happy fun times? You own one to protect yourself, not because we think it'll make rainbows and flowers.

Quote: "The US has about 3 times the amount of murders per capita."


Yes, overall. I wonder what happens when you take out some of the really large cities (where gang violence is a major problem) like LA or New York, then we'll see how it compares

And lastly, it looks like your stats show all murders, not those committed with guns.


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Alucard94
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Posted: 6th Jul 2008 23:06 Edited at: 6th Jul 2008 23:16
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Quote: "Who would ever say that owning one is great happy fun times? You own one to protect yourself, not because we think it'll make rainbows and flowers.
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And you protect yourself from people with guns, who got the guns because THEY wanted to protect themselves from people with gun(EDIT: Well dangerous people anyways) and those people got guns because they wanted to protect...
You see where this is going?

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bitJericho
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Posted: 6th Jul 2008 23:17
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Quote: "And you protect yourself from people with guns, who got the guns because THEY wanted to protect themselves from people with guns and those people got guns because they wanted to protect...
You see where this is going?"


I understand where you're coming from. But other people own guns to shoot you with and steal your money and rape your wife. I'd want to own a gun to protect myself from evil people, not because I want to commit evil acts.


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the_winch
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Posted: 6th Jul 2008 23:23
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Quote: "Yes, overall. I wonder what happens when you take out some of the really large cities (where gang violence is a major problem) like LA or New York, then we'll see how it compares."


If this is correct then there are a lot worse places than LA or new York.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

By way of demonstration, he emitted a batlike squeak that was indeed bothersome.
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Jeku
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Posted: 7th Jul 2008 08:03 Edited at: 7th Jul 2008 08:05
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Quote: "Unless you happen to be a huntsman or law enforcer the ONLY function a gun has is to inflict harm on someone"


Actually today I went firing guns with my friend for fun. We're not hunters or law enforcers, but had a good time shooting targets. Your statement is ridiculous and offensive.

Quote: "A child may fire it, thinking it a toy "


There are laws here that require you to lock your bullets and guns in separate cabinets.

But this argument is moot. Most people wouldn't support all-out banning alcohol to curb drunk driving, so why do people support all-out banning guns to curb gun violence? 99% of people drink responsibly and don't get behind the wheel of a car when they're drunk--- and 99% of people who own guns don't go shooting up liquor stores or putting them in their child's crib


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Chenak
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Posted: 7th Jul 2008 15:08 Edited at: 7th Jul 2008 15:10
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Guess where all the famous horrible gun crimes happen in america? Gun free zones. Gun free zones are complete heaven for criminals and make it a lot easier for insane people to control a situation which probably would have turned out better if some people had methods of defending themselves.

Don't try to reply with the "oh but they got guns from non-gun free areas, if they were gun free zones then it wouldn't of happened!" because that is b*******. They would have just bought them from criminals, or used a different weapon. They still would have commited the crime.

So you want to ban all guns? I think the people who have had their lives and families lives saved by a gun would completly disagree with you. We are not in a happy fluffy world where everyone obeys the law.
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GamerDude
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Just got back from a holiday in england.
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Posted: 19th Jul 2008 22:53 Edited at: 19th Jul 2008 22:59
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its what you think it is,decomissioned of course but when you are allowed to buy recomissionimg parts from the same place it dont help

from theshop leaflet,..
completly collapseable for easy storage
leathality and accurate over 200 meters
buy ammo now from our friendly staff for your collection

and people wonder where we get guns...
its got a few bumps and scratchs from moving house

and on that note i see i need a new camera

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