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Blobby 101
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Posted: 19th Jul 2008 13:26
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i'm so excited - i just ordered a new PC system here are the specs/components (It was custom Built):

350W PSU -power supply
Samsung DVD +/-RW 18x6x18x8 D/LAYER Black (IDE) - DVD drive
4 X USB 2.0 Ports - USB ports
Motherboard Integrated 5.1 Sound - Sound (I don't need a sound card)
Fast 10/100 Ethernet Lan (Broadband Ready) - Internet(This don't matter too much because i've got a USB adapter anyway)
2GB DDR2 PC-6400 800 MHZ (2 x 1 GB 800) - RAM
XPERTVISION 256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600GT TV/2xDVI PCI-E SLI RET - GFX card
80 GB SATA HDD UDMA 300 7200 8MB - HDD
X-Blade Black - Case (This looks so cool: PIC
ASUS SKT-775 P5VD2-VM S/V/L M-ATX 1066FSB - Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 (2 x 2.53 GHZ) 1066FSB - 3 MB - Processor
Logitech Wingman Attack 3 Joystick - USB - JOYSTICK! i've alway wanted a joystick )

What do you think? I am allowed to make any changes i want to the system within the next 3 hours so if there is something dramatically bad about the system...
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Saikoro
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I'm not sure, but you might need a larger power supply. It's always good to have a bit extra juice for when you upgrade your PC later.

Looks like a sick system though!

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Mr Makealotofsmoke
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Posted: 19th Jul 2008 14:25
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350w = fail. Get corsair 620w.
80gb hdd? u serious?


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SunnyKatt
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Lol... please get 1tb like everyone nowadays. Unless all you do is word processing you will need a tad more...

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Blobby 101
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Posted: 19th Jul 2008 15:04 Edited at: 19th Jul 2008 15:12
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1 tb? a terrabite? isn't that like stupidly massive for a HDD? my current one is 72 gb and i've never filled it up.
ok - i'll see how much changing the power supply would change the Cost by.
EDIT: i've got them to upgrade from 350W to 500W. I didn't want to spend £19 on a 600W and they didn't have 650W.
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SunnyKatt
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Posted: 19th Jul 2008 15:17
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I have half my 500gb external hard drive filled up. If you expect to game on that thing, get more space. Newer games are over 10gb.

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Benjamin
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Posted: 19th Jul 2008 15:59
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Quote: "1 tb? a terrabite? isn't that like stupidly massive for a HDD?"

In my opinion, yes. The only reason you'd want something so big is if you a) play a lot of modern games, and/or b) download a hell of a lot of stuff. Either way I'd get something bigger than 80GB just in case. On this machine I'm using 64GB of space despite only having a couple of old games installed on it, along with some music and video files. To be honest, I don't know where all the space is being used.

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Blobby 101
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Posted: 19th Jul 2008 17:17
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ok - well thanks for what you've said guys.
It's now past the time i can change my order but still i can replace when it arrives if there is something really wrong still.
I wouldn't be getting many modern games (I do more game creation than game playing) but i may get an external HDD when/If i need it.
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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 19th Jul 2008 18:01 Edited at: 19th Jul 2008 18:02
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On my 2GB MicroSD and 1GB USB memory stick I have: (amoungst other things, such as DB Classic)

Morrowind (all sounds recompressed, final size 480mb)
Midtown Madness 2
Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force
Sierra Viper Racing
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (all sounds/movies removed, final size 820mb)

Which is certainly enough gameplay for me, quite a few large games on there. So whilst 1tb is certainly enough, with a little careful space usage you can get a lot into 80gb.


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bitJericho
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Quote: "Sierra Viper Racing"


One of my favorite games.


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SunnyKatt
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Externals rock! Though your games take very long to load (especially without usb2.0) they are really cool.

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Saikoro
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With a 80 gig hard drive, you may be finding yourself deleting games and whatnot every 3-4 installs or less. Which isn't always a bad thing. I have had a 250 gig HD for two years, however, and since I uninstall games that I no longer play, I've barely filled up 75 GB out of that. 80 GB isn't that much space during this day and age, but you know your space storage habits better than anyone, if you don't need more, don't get more.

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Agent Dink
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I have 2 160's and an external 320. The 2 160's are nearly full (have a cumulative 20gigs left) and my 320 still has 250 gigs left, but I don't like to use it for anything other than backups and files I don't use often, so I plan on getting an internal 500gb or more drive eventually

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Posted: 20th Jul 2008 00:58
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Quote: "I have half my 500gb external hard drive filled up. If you expect to game on that thing, get more space. Newer games are over 10gb."


I have 250gb and have filled half of it - if you're playing that many games at once then you need to complete one first, I mean I got bored of FEAR and completed Bioshock, so I uninstalled them. You still keep your save files.

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soapyfish
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Posted: 20th Jul 2008 01:56 Edited at: 20th Jul 2008 01:58
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I have 40gb on the laptop I'm using now. I'm not gonna lie to you I would like it to be bigger but hey, could be worse.

I've never filled it up, it has got pretty low at times but large files can either be put on external media or deleted completely. Most of my downloading is video podcasts but I only watch these once and I can always download them again so there really is no need to have them hanging around taking up space.

My music folder in just over 10gb and that's at only 192kbps for each track, it's things like that which I want to keep on here that get in the way but I manage. I'm planning on an upgrade next January so I'm not going to bother upgrading the HD now, at least the smaller size makes backups nice and quick.


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SunnyKatt
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Posted: 20th Jul 2008 02:00 Edited at: 20th Jul 2008 02:01
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Quote: "I have 250gb and have filled half of it - if you're playing that many games at once then you need to complete one first, I mean I got bored of FEAR and completed Bioshock, so I uninstalled them. You still keep your save files. "


Nah, I never uninstall any of my games. You can tell by my desktop pic in the "post your desktop thread". I'll attach it anyway. (sorry it's a bmp, if you care enough to look see that other thread, I embedded it.)

I always find myself going back to old games. In fact, I think I'll start a new campaign in lords of magic tommorow. (uber 1993 strategy game).

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JoelJ
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Quote: "I think I'll start a new campaign in lords of magic tommorow."

oh my goodness, I love that game so much. And I can't find it anywhere. Just a week or two ago I spent an hour looking for a way to get that game.

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Alucard94
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Posted: 20th Jul 2008 08:22
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Wtf? I have 3 TB(including all of my external hard drives) all in all and I've filled up like 2 TB so far...


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Posted: 20th Jul 2008 09:24
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Quote: "350w = fail. Get corsair 620w."


350 will work just fine for that system. I run a similar system with a few extra harddrives and have no problems powering it all with a 400w SeaSonic. I used one of those tools for monitor electricity usage, and I don't recall seeing it go above 300w, and that includes the 55w used by the monitor. (which btw isn't really any less than my CRT used).

80GB is fine for a system drive. If you need a lot of storage, just get an additional drive. 300GB is less than $100 these days.

Quote: "all in all and I've filled up like 2 TB so far..."

delete your porn.

My friend has over a terrabyte, but he really needs it for video editing.


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Benjamin
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Quote: "Wtf? I have 3 TB(including all of my external hard drives) all in all and I've filled up like 2 TB so far..."

Seriously, what are you downloading to fill it up like that?

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Quote: "oh my goodness, I love that game so much. And I can't find it anywhere. Just a week or two ago I spent an hour looking for a way to get that game."


Joelj, you have a great taste in games. I took the liberty of finding it on ebay for you.
Paypal rocks!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Special-Edition-Lords-of-Magic-COMPLETE-PC-MINT_W0QQitemZ350080822636QQihZ022QQcategoryZ139973QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Quote: "Quote: "Wtf? I have 3 TB(including all of my external hard drives) all in all and I've filled up like 2 TB so far..."
[quote]Seriously, what are you downloading to fill it up like that?"
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Whatever it is, and I think we all know what it is, he's blocking the tubes.


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Quote: "Seriously, what are you downloading to fill it up like that?
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All my music, a lot of video editing stuff, a whole bunch of applications and just a couple of movie, a bunch video tutorials I've downloaded over time and never thrown away etc. etc.
Not really that "insane"


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Mr Makealotofsmoke
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well i say get atleast 500gig. I got 1tb atm. 200gig used. 12gig is Vista, 5gig of music, 10gig of vids and about 60gig of game (idk were the rest is but thats al lin program files and users :S)


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Venge
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I've got an 80 gb system drive and a 320 gb internal drive, and I'm only using 48.7 GB of the system drive with just a complete backup copy on the other one. 'Course I don't have many modern games...The last game I bought was The Orange Box, I think.

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bitJericho
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I've about 300 gigs total with about 280 gigs used.

I'd have more gigs used, but I haven't yet gotten around to buying a new 500gig drive


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Quote: "isn't that like stupidly massive for a HDD? my current one is 72 gb and i've never filled it up."

Apart from the fact whenever I weant round you had like 2GB spare. That was it!

Still sweet system. Must go to your house to see it.....

You can get a 500GB for £40
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/141471

FINAL EDIT:How much was that PC? Just cause I'm interested in getting a new computer
Now I don't have a better PC than you

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Blobby 101
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Final price with 500W PSU and new motherboard (Compatibility Issues with it and the CPU, [ASUS SKT-775 P5N-MX S/V/L M-ATX 1333FSB]) the final Price is £291.66

YES! I will soon (Finally) have a better PC than 5867 Dude!
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Good Deal!

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Yes a very nice deal indeed. 3 years ago my first PC cost me £230 and was no where near as good as that. Still after 1 upgrade every year I can now boast some decent specs.

550W PSU
4GB DDR2 800 RAM
Intel E8400 3GHZ CPU
ATI HD4850
Gigabyte GA-P35-S3G Motherboard

All in all it's a good system and your system will not perform much worse than it for at least £200 less.

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An Antec 450-500watt PSU will have better power management, providing you with more available power; rather than a cheap 600watt own-brand PSU; which often will output roughly half of what it claims it can.

Also as far as the HDD goes, it all depends on what you use your PC for. I currently have 3x 320GB with a futher 500GB on an external USB HDD. Although I do only have the external drive purely for Video Editing means; the internal drives are all almost completely full. (have around 45GB left)

Reason I have so little is partly because of the software I have installed:

Windows Vista Service Pack 1 - 25GB
Microsoft Office 2007 - 2.8GB
Microsoft Expression Studio 2 - 1.5GB
Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Professional - 2.4GB
Microsoft Xbox 360 Software Development Kit - 3.5GB
Microsoft DirectX Software Development Kit - 1.5GB
Havok Physics (Full) Software Development Kit - 1.0GB
PhysX Physics (Full) Software Dvelopment Kit - 0.6GB
Adobe Creative Studio 3 Extended - 3.5GB
Autodesk Maya 8.5, Sketchbook 2009, MotionBuilder 2009 - 3.0GB

Gears of War - 10GB
Unreal Tournament 3 - 8.5GB
Civilization IV (Warlords + Beyond the Sword) - 3.8GB
Final Fantasy XI 2008 Edition - 15.2GB
Cold Fear - 3.2GB
Silent Hill 3 - 3.8GB
The Sims 2 (All additional content packs) - 21GB
Tomb Raider Legend (+ Anniversary Expansion) - 14GB
Dawn of War (+Winter Assault, Dark Crusade & SoulStorm) - 16GB
Jade Empire - 8GB
Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2 - 13GB
Half-Life 2 (+Episode 1, 2, Portal, CS: Source, DoD: Source & Team Fortress 2) - 31GB
EVE Online - 4GB
Guild Wars (+Nightfall, Factions & Eye of the North) - 3.4GB

(I probably have a few more things installed knowing my brother but that's what I can recall off-hand)

but also I store a good number of my DVD and Movie Collection on one of my hard disks (so that I can just stream to my consoles), plus I've taken to using iTunes/NetFlix/Microsoft Music for purchasing new stuff.

I mean when you think about the fact a single album generally takes up around 500MB, it's not much when you have one; but when you have a few then it starts eating space quickly.

Same with movies, in SD you're looking at around 1.5-3GB when you do a convert-burn using Media Player to WMV11. The HD formats can be as large as 12GB each... and that's if I'm just storing the film itself not any of the DVD special features (which often I will cause some are quite good).

I also get a great many games via digital purchase (i.e. Steam), as well as storing many of my older game CD/DVDs on my HDD so that my discs can be kept safe somewhere else given how difficult some titles are now to get ahold of.

Lastly I keep a regular "backup" of software and past projects on one of the Hard Disks. I have literally filled 320GB with work media, concept artwork, sdks, etc..

Really boils down to what you're using your system for; but for modern systems; 80GB is nothing. 250GB is really a minimum requirement imo

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Quote: "the fact a single album generally takes up around 500MB"


Eh? Wtf are you encoding them in? FLAC?

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Quote: "I mean when you think about the fact a single album generally takes up around 500MB, it's not much when you have one"

thought a single album is around 60MB.
Cause MP3 (128kb's) is roughly 1MB a minute and a average album is what? 60 minutes? So around 60MB

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192KB/S IS BETTER
i do either 192 or 256


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I typically encode at 160kbps, some at 192. Most of my collection is ripped from CDs between myself and friends, rather than downloaded. 1337 artists, 3808 albums, over 49k songs uses up more than 220GB. That's roughly 60MB per album.

Quote: "An Antec 450-500watt PSU will have better power management"

I've always bought Antec, never had one fail. The last PSU I bought was a SeaSonic, the first non-Antec PSU I bought. Then I read somewhere SeaSonic was who made Antec's PSUs.


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Antc make great power supplies, but mine is just a cheap 550W that I bought for £12, still works after 3 years.

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l33t Artists? Wow they must be good.


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i normal get antec, but they didnt have any in the shop when i went to buy pc parts so i had to get tt


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I got my PSU from "Micro Direct", it cost about £19 for a 750w PSU, As for what HDD you should get, if you dont use it that much for modern games, ect, then a smaller HDD should do, but 80gb is a little small, I have 1x500gb, (Partitioned into 2x250), 1 external 80gb HDD, and 1 Network Drive, (about 200gb), and i still manage to run out of space, but thats proberley because i never uninstall games or programmes and have lots of junk on them

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