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Posted: 24th Jul 2008 16:14
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Yes, They didn't say they're making also for PC, but they said they've made it for PC (it's fully funtional!), and just converting it to PS3. What do you think about that? IMO PC is a better choise than X360 (and there was FFVII for PC)...

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If they can make it for the XBox360, then I'd say there is indeed a chance for a PC port. All console games are developed on a PC, so they'll of course have a fully functional version at some point. A lot of other Final Fantasy games(7-9 I think) have been produced for the PC as well.



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Actually what they meant is that Crystal Tools is engine for PC which they use to develop the game and port it to consoles. It does not mean the actual game runs on PC but i hope it does

Then i only need to update PC and not buy any consoles

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Quote: "Square Enix has gone PC. On the first day of the show, the Japanese game publisher announced that Final Fantasy XIII is coming to PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 (in Europe and North America only) and PC"


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Excited, but I just hope it can bring back some of the magic of VII and not the crap after it

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Woot woot!

I've been waiting for a non-MMORPG Final Fantasy come to the PC since VIII, so as a PC gamer and Final Fantasy fan I am most pleased to hear this...Now bloody hurry up and release it.

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Quote: "the magic of VII"


VII wasn't actually as good. It was just the first, so people all love it the most. Kind of like Morrowind/Oblivion. Oblivion is better, but Morrowind was first, so I'm in love with it.

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Personally I think the style of VII, the story/plot and the immersion you had with it made it better. I'm not a very 'firsties' guy, I'm one of those people who actually preferred Oblivion. Technilogically speaking, and perhaps speaking of gameplay as well later FFs were better, but Final Fantasy VII always managed to keep me immersed and interested - I people that prefer VIII for the same sort of reason, and the fact they prefer Squall as a hero. (Given the lengths he went to in the game for Rinoa)

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Story, sure. I was more on the gameplay.

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Quote: "All console games are developed on a PC, so they'll of course have a fully functional version at some point."


Actually that's kind of not true. Games are developed on PC using hardware dev kits, so they're not standalone and fully functional on the PC by itself. You'd have to have a 360 or PS3 devkit hooked up to run it.

Quote: "Actually what they meant is that Crystal Tools is engine for PC which they use to develop the game and port it to consoles."


I'm fairly sure they're developing with the UT3 engine, but I could be wrong.


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Quote: "I'm fairly sure they're developing with the UT3 engine, but I could be wrong."

Nope. I think they have used it for one project, but it was canceled...

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From the link at the beginning of the thread:

Quote: "Aside from the new The Last Remnant game, which is being created for Xbox 360 and PS3 using Epic Games’ Unreal Engine 3 externally, all new internally-developed games from Square Enix, including Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XIII Versus, and an untitled new massively multiplayer online game, utilize the new PC-based Crystal Tools development environment. These tools allow development teams to create cross-platform games."


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Wait!???? AM I READING THIS RIGHT? FF 13 is coming to the PC??? I think this is my favorite day

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Yes, just confirmed by Square.

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Wow Now im really excited.. Lets just hope its not crappy as PC versions of FFVII and FFVIII..

And i prefer FF8 over FF7 its just too overrated :/

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Quote: "Lets just hope its not crappy as PC versions of FFVII and FFVIII"


Crappy? I've never had problems with the PC version and they've ran great, I ran FF7 on Windows 95, 98 and XP, FF8 on Windows 98, XP and Vista, no problems - for GeForce and nVidia chipsets you need a patch, but that's because FF7 and FF8 were designed for 3Dfx cards. Okay for Vista, FF8 you need to relocate the .exe file to stop it crashing on start up, but then it's an old game, but it still runs the same the day I bought it. Looking on different forums it seems Vista users have most trouble with Final Fantasy XI. PC versions were great.

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Actually that's kind of not true. Games are developed on PC using hardware dev kits, so they're not standalone and fully functional on the PC by itself. You'd have to have a 360 or PS3 devkit hooked up to run it."


Probably why some games aren't released on PC when you'd expect them to, like CoD 3 (which was developed by someone else the CoD, CoD2 and CoD4, apparently) but hey at least Square are switching to PC tools again, this in my opinion, is another step forward in the Next Generation, or at least for PC gamers...means I don't have the pressure to buy a PS3 or XBox 360 now, Square was one of the only reasons I was going to get a console.

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Quote: "Nope. I think they have used it for one project, but it was canceled..."


Err... it's called The Last Remnant and is coming out in November for 360 and at a later point for PS3... so basically it's not canceled.

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I'm actually exited about this. I'll Be following now.

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Last Remnant does not use crystal tools engine.. it uses Unreal Engine 3

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That's what I was saying.

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Quote: "Crappy? I've never had problems with the PC version and they've ran great, I ran FF7 on Windows 95, 98 and XP, FF8 on Windows 98, XP and Vista, no problems - for GeForce and nVidia chipsets you need a patch, but that's because FF7 and FF8 were designed for 3Dfx cards. Okay for Vista, FF8 you need to relocate the .exe file to stop it crashing on start up, but then it's an old game, but it still runs the same the day I bought it. Looking on different forums it seems Vista users have most trouble with Final Fantasy XI. PC versions were great."


The PC ports of FFVII and FFVIII had many conflicts and crashes and some of these cant even solve with offical patchs. But thanks to good modding groups some unoffical patches are made. Also the quality of these games arent nearly good as the PSX counterpart.. In example music is midi too where psx versions had better format and sound was much better.

But all this is because the team who made the port was bad.. FFXI was mainly made for PC by SE so it does not suck and its not really port. The ps2 and x360 versions are

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Odd because in the last 4 versions of Windows I've used, the last 3 systems I've used, last 4 graphics cards I used had no problems with the PC ports of the games, except ATI cards need the ATI and nVidia need the nVidia patch - though it's really only a slight graphical glitch. But I don't know what other people have had go wrong, I felt both games were very solid.

Final Fantasy XI, apparently it's difficult to get running properly under Vista - when I installed Final Fantasy VIII, I did a look for a tweak for Vista (which came with tweaks for the other two) and FFXI's tweaks required a lot more than the other two.

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Thats why you should never move to vista

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Quote: "Thats why you should never move to vista"

Vista is quite good.:/ Though I have been considering to go with Linux. But I thought to myself.. Nah. I'm so used to Vista.


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I had lan party with my friends.. Everyone had Windows XP expect me and one of my friends.. We plugged the cables on my modem box and my Ubuntu connected staright away. Most of XP computers connected straight away. Some XP computers needed some tuning.. But we never got Vista computer to connect....

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I've been reading reports that it's not coming to PC... that it's just being developed on one...

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Quote: "Thats why you should never move to vista "


I've only had one or two compatibility issues, everything else runs just fine, Final Fantasy VIII took one minor tweak and it runs great now - to me that shows a solidly built game. Final Fantasy XI don't have it, don't matter - so I don't have to go through its tweaking process.

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Quote: "Final Fantasy XI, apparently it's difficult to get running properly under Vista - when I installed Final Fantasy VIII, I did a look for a tweak for Vista (which came with tweaks for the other two) and FFXI's tweaks required a lot more than the other two."


Actually the issue with FFXI on Vista isn't with the game itself, but Square-Enix' PlayOnline system. It refuses to recognise that FFXI is installed if you use the one that comes with it, so you have to download the use the Vista one they created.

I think what really drove home the difficult part of that was that until quite recently (about 3months back) actually finding the Vista Edition of PlayOnline was so freaking impossible on the website. Atleast on the European site, I had to find the American version (which I discovered doesn't recognise Europe) then figured maybe the filename was slightly changed (which it was) and finally got the EU version.

What's more is you have to fully reinstall FFXI in order to use it, because you can't install over the old PlayOnline and you can't have FFXI installed while installing PlayOnline itself otherwise it believes it isn't installed.

All-in-all I think this has less to do with Vista and more to do with very poor planning on Square-Enix' part; especially as they had 4months prior to public release to get compatibility issues sorted. Fortunately for those who got their copies in 2008 (special 2008 Edition release) you get none of these problems.

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I think that was just a registry issue. Changing paths on registry should make playonline the old client find the FFXI.. I may be wrong tho.

Anyways Final Fantasy XI is most voted application in WineHQ database what users want to be able to play on Wine layer using Linux.

Currently you can get to User agreement screen but when FFXI starts you get to infite loop. Someone has got into game but the screen was black but you could move and hear sounds. I wonder if wine team can get it to work on next release because it already has over 300 votes while other apps has under 200...

Thats the only thing why im doing dual boot. But i cancelled my FFXI account for while until i get my new parts for my computer

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Sorry for minor thread bumping but not coming to PC.

Quote: "Nomura and Toriyama also debunked rumors that a PC version of FFXIII is in development. They explained the confusion arose from a misunderstanding when producer Yoshinori Kitase mentioned at E3 that Square Enix is working on a PC project. "We've always been developing on PCs," laughed Nomura. "In fact, I've been doing so since Final Fantasy VI.""


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So that means i was quite right...

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Saddest day of my life. I'm going to go mourn now... I'm serious.

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I'm going to kidnap Kitase and demand they release it for PC...

However I'd be jailed for kidnapping and would probably face a number of years in jail not playing the game...But better than buying a 360 eh, *bedum tish* Seriously though, kidnapping is wrong and I have nothing against the 360.

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Let's see-- you're Square and you can focus solely on console development, which for the time being is very difficult to pirate.

Or you could choose to develop on PC as well, but you're faced with not only the regular pirate crews who will torrent your game as fast as possible. You also have to deal with whiny PC gamers who will complain about any amount of copy protection you place to protect your game which probably cost in the upwards of $60-70 million to produce, and who will encourage boycotts and/or pirate the game themselves as they have entitlement complexes on their PC games.


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Quote: "complain about any amount of copy protection "


As one of those 'complainers', I only have problems with protection that stops me from playing the game or effects playing of the game negatively and I'm sure many other 'complainers' would agree. SecuRom recieved complaints because of that. And in relation to that thread - I didn't believe that the future of copyright protection was the internet, just a means betters than the previous methods.

But people pirate, companies lose money, companies get put off by PC gamers - which is a bugger when you're not much of a console fan. Companies try to do their best, which is fair and nobody can really ask for more, but it's really because of pirates people lose out - so perhaps people should direct their anger at them...but not at the cool 'yeargh' pirates.

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Oh man! If FFXIII would come out for PC, I'd totally buy it. I don't have the financial resources available right now to buy a 360. I probably won't be able to play this game at all without a PC version.

SE should definitely do it. There are a lot of gamers with PC's out there. I think a PC version of FFXIII, especially when Microsoft is already getting it on their console, would be quite profitable, both for SE and Microsoft.

Too bad it was, as of now, just a misunderstanding....
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Quote: "but not at the cool 'yeargh' pirates.
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Good I was almost going to put my parrot down for a second there!
And you can pretty easily pirate for consoles, it's just too much of a hassle for all the lazy people out there so barely anyone does it, I believe you just have to mod the (for example) 360 and then you can put cracked ISO's of the games onto it.
Although I don't pirate so I might be completely wrong.


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Quote: "I think a PC version of FFXIII, especially when Microsoft is already getting it on their console, would be quite profitable, both for SE and Microsoft."


Microsoft would see no conceivable profit or other benefit for a PC release. Why do you think that?


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Quote: "Microsoft would see no conceivable profit or other benefit for a PC release. Why do you think that?"


Because there are people who own PC's who don't own 360's (like me). I would very much like to play FFXIII, but for the foreseeable future, there's no way I'll be able to get a 360 or FFXIII.

If Square-Enix and Microsoft don't want to target the pool of potential sales that I fall into, that's their decision. But I think that there is a decent pool of people out there who would buy a PC version of FFXIII.
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It would be nice to have FFXIII on the PC - I mean I'm not a big fan of console gaming - PC gaming works much better for my lifestyle, (don't see the point of having a computer, TV and console in my room when I can just have a computer and still save money) but if you're a PC gamer and want to play some of the games that are console exclusive, you'll probably benefit from buying a console anyway. The only thing that puts me off is the PS3's price (which is falling) and the 360's RRoD.

It seems piracy makes the whole thing difficult for developers and of course bug testing I'd imagine is much more difficult, because there's a larger variation of hardware to deal with - or at least this is something BioWare are having trouble dealing with.

So with these problems, Jeku's right, the developers won't necessarily benefit - it's a shame and a problem for PC gamers, I guess deal with it, we can complain about it but at the end of the day businesses are out to make money and don't want to cause themselves too much stress, if they're put off by the PC game industry, then that's their choice. Unless of course you're willing to go ahead with my idea and hold Kitase for randsom.

But the great thing about PC gaming though, is the independant games market and we have to show the pros how it's done.

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Why would people buy it for the 360 if they could just pirate it on the PC instead? Well, obviously not everyone would do this, for various reasons, but I'm still sure a lot of people would.

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Quote: "But I think that there is a decent pool of people out there who would buy a PC version of FFXIII. "


Yah but Microsoft will not get any money from people buying the PC version

I can only foresee MS earning money from that if somebody buys an entire PC and Windows just for FFXIII--- highly unlikely.

Quote: "Why would people buy it for the 360 if they could just pirate it on the PC instead? Well, obviously not everyone would do this, for various reasons, but I'm still sure a lot of people would."


Yes, exactly. PC games are still my favourite, but logically the consoles are getting sweeter by the day for developers. Also I assume (just assuming) that most FF fans own a console already.


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Sad but true.

Today's pirates just aren't what they used to be. Instead of rebellious men with scurvy sailing the seas and going off to raid ships, we've got teenagers who don't want to pay for anything.

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Maybe someone will make a nice emulator and we can pop the disk in and play =]

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One that'll use lots of resources and will run horribly for a few years...I still can't get Final Fantasy X to run well in an emulator on this laptop...so good luck!

As much as these pirates may want to believe it, but they'll never be cool, the only cool pirates are the ones of our fantasies, the ones we all dream about...I wish modern pirates were like that - we could have a bus, and attack other drivers/passengers with the tip of our sword! Yeargh! And get me some treasure!

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Quote: "Because there are people who own PC's who don't own 360's (like me)."


That doesn't even answer the question. He's saying that Microsoft won't make money off of FFXIII selling PC versions.

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Yeah, people don't have to pay Microsoft for a license to make games for the PC, however they do for the 360, and Microsoft gets royalties for every game that is sold on the 360. However they do not get a cent for games sold on the PC, unless its sold under the Microsoft games studio.

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What Osiris said Just wanted to get the facts straight here.


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