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Geek Culture / Yahoo Shutting Down DRM Servers, Paying Customers Lose Their Music

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soapyfish
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Posted: 26th Jul 2008 09:39 Edited at: 26th Jul 2008 09:40
I've never been a fan of services that let you buy DRM music online, iTunes being a common example, always preferring to buy my music on good old cd (although I'd be breaking the law if I ripped this to my computer, so I just look at the shiny shiny and dream of what wondrous treats are held within.)

I never used the Yahoo music store but those that did buy DRM protected files from there were emailed recently telling them that the store was being shut down. Fair enough you'd think, with the likes of iTunes and Amazon (US only at the moment) online music stores it's perhaps difficult to compete successfully but Yahoo is also taking its DRM license key servers offline on September 30, 2008.

Once this has happened any existing tracks that a customer has paid for cannot be authorized to play on new computers. There is the workaround of burning the files to CD, then reripping them onto computer but why should a customer who has paid good money for something have to use a load of blank CDs, make do with a reduction in sound quality and a loss of all the metadatea? This is music they paid for, they took the decision to go out and but something it is all too easy to acquire for free these days.

All this is just another example of DRM creating problems that the people breaking the law won't have to deal with. It's the same as those anti-piracy trailers at the beginning of DVDs, the only people that see those are the people who bought the DVD in the first place!

I realise this doesn't affect the amount of people that perhaps iTunes shutting down would, I myself have only bought a few DRM tracks and those were on iTunes (I'm talking about 25 songs).

There are bigger problems in the world I know, but this in my opinion is just another reason why the music industry needs to knuckle down and stop using DRM as the answer to a failing business model.

I should also point out that there are plenty of places selling legal DRM-free music online, including major labels on iTunes.

MSN music also said they were doing the same earlier this year but their servers won't be taken offline until 2011.

So what are your opinions? DRM good? DRM bad? I need to get a little perspective? I need to get a new toaster?

Don't forget people that point 3.4 of the AUP states "Links to illegal software, illegal software sites, or illega Bit Torrents/p2p sites" is banned so keep those replies clean

Jeku
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Posted: 26th Jul 2008 10:11
Quote: "make do with a reduction in sound quality"


How can it be a reduction? I'm not an audiophile really, but aren't audio files almost always worse quality than a CD can support, so burning a CD and then ripping it back to, say, MP3 with the same settings as the source, will result in the same quality as the source.

I don't have an opinion for or against DRM, as nobody is "entitled" to anything. If you buy software, you are purchasing the right to use it, but you don't own it in that you can't do whatever you want with it.

People nowadays have an entitlement issue with music. After Napster everyone thinks they're entitled to purchase music and do whatever they want with it, including copying it amongst friends.

One question I have is, why would they shut the servers down? This is Yahoo we're talking about--- their company is worth billions. I would think the cost of keeping the servers up forever would be a drop in the bucket. If they truly pull the plugs so soon, people can speak with their wallets and never give money to Yahoo in any other way.


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Posted: 26th Jul 2008 11:12
Couldn't they simply download it off say LimeWire
They own the song so wouldn't it be legal to download it off LimeWire?

But as Jeku said, Yahoo will lose many customers!

But this is another reason to buy the CD instead of downloading it!

soapyfish
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Posted: 26th Jul 2008 11:28 Edited at: 26th Jul 2008 11:32
Quote: "If you buy software, you are purchasing the right to use it, but you don't own it in that you can't do whatever you want with it. "


You'd be a bit cheesed if that software stopped working though, if Valve unplugged the Steam servers for example. I realise as technology advances and improves that older versions and technologies perhaps need to be abandoned but this isn't the case with Yahoo DRM servers.


Quote: "After Napster everyone thinks they're entitled to purchase music and do whatever they want with it, including copying it amongst friends."


I agree that some people feel they have certain 'rights' simply because they paid for something but I for one certainly wouldn't go as far as to say I would consider it ok to copy music amongst friends. I'm perhaps in the minority as far as under 20's go as the majority of my friends seem to have no problem with stealing music.

There has been plenty of occasions when a friend has said 'I really like such and such a song, you should get it off limewire.' Then they call me stupid for paying for it on iTunes, whatever, I feel a lot better about it if I pay for something that should be paid for.

As for why they chose to shut the servers down at all, that's beyond me but a lot of decisions made by large tech companies are beyond me.

Is it possible that the music companies don't wish to continue trading with them? Perhaps one large music label has pulled out and as a result Yahoo has decided it's perhaps best to pull the plug now rather than later.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2008 15:59
This is the very reason I don't like the idea of games requiring an internet connection to be registered / played even if you are only playing single player mode. This sort of stuff happens eventually

I don't care about DRM really, when I buy my music off iTunes I burn it to a cd usually right away, that way I have a 'hard copy' and I can also rip it back off into unprotected MP3s or WMA files. As for quality loss... just encode it at at least 192kbps and you'll never know unless you're some uber audio junkie.

Whether ripping my music off the CD's is illegal or not I don't really care. I paid for the music I should be able to listen to it however I want. Though, I should not redistribute it or share it with anyone, of course. That would push the limits of legality, to me as those folks didn't pay for the rights to listen to that music.

Me personally, if I had a band, I'd probably be recording and distributing it all myself online with a 'pay what you want' sort of policy with no DRM protection or anyhing silly like that. If I found out people were sharing my music... Oh well. The more who like / listen to my music the merrier. More people will get to hear my views, and opinions. Maybe it'll change some lives

bitJericho
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Posted: 26th Jul 2008 17:16
aac to mp3 converter ftw!


Hurray for teh logd!
Agent Dink
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Posted: 26th Jul 2008 17:49
Link me up Jerico ^_^

bitJericho
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Posted: 26th Jul 2008 17:52
http://www.google.com/search?q=aac+to+mp3

w00 stickin' it to the man.


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JoelJ
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Posted: 26th Jul 2008 21:04
Quote: "aac to mp3 converter ftw!"

The whole time I was reading this I was thinking, "If I were buying music online, I would just convert it to an unprotected MP3 when I got it". Not because I'm going to give it away, but because it's retarded. It's like Microsoft's Genuine garbage. It annoys me as an owner of a legal copy of windows more than anyone who's breaking the law. I have more than one computer, I don't want to have to put a password in each of my machines to get it to play my music. It's stupid. I have the same opinion on steam. Why do I have to be online to go onto offline mode? That just... doesn't make sense.

Anyway, I just say to all those yahoo users out there: that's what you get for dealing with a stupid company.

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Posted: 29th Jul 2008 02:19
Just a quick update, it turns out Yahoo ain't that evil after all.

According to this report Yahoo has now decided to issue a refund to customers for the full value of their music and they are looking at offering them copies of the music they bought as DRM free mp3s. That's nice of them.

Agent Dink
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Posted: 29th Jul 2008 02:26
Wow. If that is true then I have a lot of respect for Yahoo!

soapyfish
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Posted: 29th Jul 2008 02:32 Edited at: 29th Jul 2008 02:33
Yep. I doubt they originally planned on refunding their customers otherwise they could have said that in the first place and saved themselves the bad press but they seem to have acted on the reactions of their customers. Now it's time to see if MSN does the same thing when they shut down their music servers in 2011.

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Posted: 29th Jul 2008 02:40
I buy loads of music from iTunes and then use Tune Bite to convert it to DRM free so I can listen to it on my mp3 player (not an iPod).

Excellent little application, worth every penny!

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Posted: 29th Jul 2008 02:42
Well if they didn't refund that would be a class action lawsuit.

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Matt Rock
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Posted: 29th Jul 2008 02:55
I just spent two weeks working for Yahoo! as a part of a pilot program. I have to say, they're the coolest "big" company I've ever worked for, though I haven't worked for many. You aren't just a number at Yahoo!... your ideas are important to them, and you get the genuine sense that they care about what you have to say . And there's none of that corporate language used in meetings and stuff, either. I have to say, they're easily the best employer I've ever had, shy of working for myself at MISoft that is lol.

Here's what I mean by "corporate language." If you work in an office setting, this is a really fun game. Image was edited for the kiddies, I don't remember where I found this lol. I had it posted to my old website with other funny images.



soapyfish
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Posted: 29th Jul 2008 02:58 Edited at: 29th Jul 2008 03:02
Quote: "Well if they didn't refund that would be a class action lawsuit."


I'm sure there's something in the T's&C's about them being able to do this and by clicking agree you, well you agree.

Cheers for the linky Rich, what mp3 player is it you've got? I'd love to get myself an ipod touch now the app store is up but it's a lot of pennies.

@Matt Rock
That's doesn't seem very proactive, you should try thinking outside the box.

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Posted: 29th Jul 2008 05:22
Quote: "I need to get a little perspective? I need to get a new toaster?"


Haha.
Matt Rock
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Posted: 29th Jul 2008 17:47
Quote: "That's doesn't seem very proactive, you should try thinking outside the box."

Personally, I think the best practice is empowerment .

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Posted: 6th Aug 2008 03:24
Your logo is great, your website sucks.
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Posted: 6th Aug 2008 23:07
I think you need to revisit. The bandwidth is good, and they're really playing hardball with the quality. They're thinking out of the loop and it's a benchmark for good websites.


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Jeremiah, who are you talking about?

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