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Geek Culture / What d'ya mean, Uncanny Valley?

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tha_rami
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Animation has come a long way, but this pretty much amazed me.

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4557935.ece

Check the video at the top, that's the first time someone tricked me with CGI - making me believe its real.


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Flipping awesome.

That's really realistic animation.

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The things they'll be able to do with this tech is unsettling, but really that's quite impressive!

Is her whole body / background CG as well, or is it just her face, because her hair seemed very very real.

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i wouldnt call it entirely convincing, but still bloody impressive

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That's amazing. A little overly animated in my opinion, but I probably wouldn't be so analytical if I didn't know it was CGI.

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Her mouth looks a little messed, but that's the best I've seen so far. I don't think it's overanimated as it's done with motion capture, so the original actor did the same gestures and facial movements.

I'm looking forward to when they start bringing old actors back from the dead and using them in TV commercials and movies. James Dean in a Subway commercial? Bring it on.


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Posted: 20th Aug 2008 04:09 Edited at: 20th Aug 2008 04:10
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Lol, I think they'll improve on James Dean. Using the image of a dead guy will cost 'em money, while a new hot girl/guy will cost them modelling costs.

But it's an idea. There's really an unsettling amount of possibilities to use this.

S1m0ne, anyone?


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Posted: 20th Aug 2008 04:17 Edited at: 20th Aug 2008 04:19
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Quote: "I'm looking forward to when they start bringing old actors back from the dead and using them in TV commercials and movies. James Dean in a Subway commercial? Bring it on."


I know this isn't quite what you mean but have you ever seen the car ad where they cgi Gene Kelly doing Singing in the Rain? Maybe it isn't cgi but it's some computer effect, in any case it's one of my favourite ads ever.
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Posted: 20th Aug 2008 07:20 Edited at: 20th Aug 2008 07:20
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Quote: "S1m0ne, anyone?"


I think this tech is purely a rendering thing, not AI.

Quote: "Gene Kelly doing Singing in the Rain? Maybe it isn't cgi but it's some computer effect, in any case it's one of my favourite ads ever"


Wow--- just wow. Simply amazing. I want to find a high quality of that commercial.

Reminds me of when they brought Orville Redenbacher back from the dead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LRpUBUQ3sE --- They probably used prosthetics here, but it's still creepy.


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Quote: "I think this tech is purely a rendering thing, not AI."

Of course, of course, but I mean, in the movie, s1m0ne was so special both because she looked real and acted real. This is 50%, lol.

I thought the movie sucked, by the way.


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That was AMAZING! And to think I'm starting my animation courses this semester! I can't wait! I just got my book in the mail today

They needed to put some makeup on her eyes or something... They seemed weird somehow.

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It would have fooled me... But there was something about the eyes that creeped me out.

It also reminded me of this digital person : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov2KHgaeds4&fmt=18

You might know him.

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Tou can tell it's CGI by looking at her eyes.

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Holy, crap... thats insane!

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God, that's incredible! I wonder if there is a higher-res version of that video, though: perhaps it would be easier to spot inconsistencies if the video were less pixellated.

Very impressive, though.

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Almost there, it's the most realistic i've seen yet but I can still tell.

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No you can't.

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Try showing someone the video starting AFTER the warning it's fake, just like they did with me. You'll fall for it, at least I did.


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Posted: 21st Aug 2008 04:10
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Quote: "No you can't."


You can-- her mouth looks off.


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mouth AND eyes are off.

but it's still impressive.

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Posted: 21st Aug 2008 16:33
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Cool!

I have seen another one, its a robot thingie in a town or something but i dont remember how to find it.

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I only noticed her eyes and mouth were off when they viewed her face with different skin tones/wireframe etc. But, again, that may have been due to video quality.

Still very impressive, though.

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her mouth is kinda stiff at points...


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Impressive. Really impressive. Pretty soon we won't need actors, and the computer geeks will conquer the world!

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I'd rather pay an actor than pay some geek to 3D model, texture and rig a character, pay somebody to do the motion capture and pay somebody to do the voice.

Plus the computers to render on - it'll be quicker and cheaper to use a good ol' fashion camera...though for dead actors I see it helping...didn't they 'revive' Marlon Brando for the superman movie? I remember reading about it in 3DWorld, how they managed to recreate his face realistically because crystal so Marlon could come back from the dead to be Superman's father...thouh saying that, shame they didn't revive Christopher Reeve whilst they were at it.

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Nice, although she seemed kinda dead. Animated people seem to still lack those subtle facial muscle movements under the skin.

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Quote: "Nice, although she seemed kinda dead. Animated people seem to still lack those subtle facial muscle movements under the skin."

If you'd have read the article, you'd know that them looking 'dead' (although usually their skin) is called the Uncanny Valley effect and that this animation is one of the first to break through that, and that they have actually captured nearly every muscular movement you can think of when capturing the animation.

Although the Uncanny Valley theory also states that the more realistic animations become, the more opposed people will be to accepting them as realistic.

So I guess this falls within that theory.


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I did read the article. I was just stating the reason I think animations don't look real. I do however want to see what comes about in 2020.

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Yeah if we don't all die in 2012

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I liked your old sig better, Sepp.


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Ah Tomatoes, well it needed changing and they can't all be philosophical...saying that, the mutated shrimp could represent your ego - small yet abnormal.

I'll replace it in due time.

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