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Geek Culture / Looking for some Video/image software.

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Punk13
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 02:03
Hey im looking for a program that can change the resolution and quality of videos and pictures, like i have a video thats like
(Example)
120
300
and i want to change the resolution to
600
800
but without losing quality, oh and if it can make it HD is a majer plus.

Id also like it if the program could do this with images.
if you know of anything under the $100 mark please tell

ThankX
Punk13


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Benjamin
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 02:05
Quote: "but without losing quality"

I'm pretty sure that's physically impossible.

PowerSoft
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 02:05
Yea, I too need a program that does that!!!!!! Let me know if you find one!!!!



Ok being serious for a moment...that's not going to be possible. But I'll bet my house on it...

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 02:09
Yeah I know this great program called "breaking the laws of physics" that does that. It is totally impossible to increase a video/image file's size and not lose quality. This should be obvious if you think about image resizing:
When you scale an image down, the program has to decide what pixels to keep and what pixels to throw away. Key part: THROWING PIXELS AWAY. Now think, would that work in reverse? Where would the computer get the new pixels? It would need some kind of magic to know what color to make the new pixels it creates when it scales up an image.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 02:13
It would be a pretty valuable algorithm though. Speculative Pixel Suggestion. I read about images being scanned for objects (namely used in finding Child Pornography to use as evidence) [I really can't think how to word that correctly] based on pixel estimation etc.

hmmm

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 02:21
On a somewhat related note, you may be interested in this technology which allows the resolution of video footage to be increased through the use of high resolution stills.

http://vimeo.com/1513129?pg=embed&sec=1513129

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 02:22
It won't happen. Pixels will expand and your quality will die. Unless we make a thing which re-gathers pixels then it could happen.


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"Look! That pixel way over there is the guy who stole my car! Zoom in a ton so we can see him!"

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 06:04
it's possible! I saw it in a movie once.


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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 06:11
well i can lose quality but not to the point that it looks horrible


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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 06:37 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2008 06:39
It all depends on how much you scale the image/video by, and on how big the image/video was in the first place. A 800 x 600 image will look better after a 30% size increase than a 320 x 480 image will.

Quote: "it's possible! I saw it in a movie once."

Really? I saw magical wizards flying around on dragons and broomsticks and talking to snakes in a movie! I guess that must be possible, too!
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 08:17
k, well whats a program i could use to do that then?


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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 17:47
Photoshop does it best for images. Premier is best for video.
Thats not just an assumption that its best because its adobe, either. Photoshop and Premier really do have the best and smartest methods of the computer figuring out what pixels to put where. You will always lose SOME quality on scaling up, but these two have the smallest loss.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 17:56
Quote: "Photoshop does it best for images."


What's the difference if you're just sizing an image up? It'll still size it up the same way, not based on the software.


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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 18:03 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2008 18:04
Quote: "It'll still size it up the same way, not based on the software."

Actually it won't. The algorithms that Photoshop uses to decide what color a new pixel should be are much more advanced than other image editors. They consider what color neighboring pixels are, what color the old pixels are, and several other things. And, really its HOW they consider these things that makes the difference.
Try this:
1) Make 3 copies of an image.
2) open the first copy in MS paint, and increase its size approximately 20%.
3) Open the second copy in Photoshop (Hopefully you have it, otherwise we can't test this right now) and do the same 20% size increase.
4) Look at all 3 images (The paint-scaled one, the Photoshop-scaled one, and the original one) and tell me which scaled one looks better.
Make sure you save all 3 in the same format as the original, with no compression.

Although the difference may not be very drastic, you should notice a difference in quality between the paint and photoshop ones.

I COULD be entirely misinformed about this. But this is what one of my professors at PTI told me. He does Photoshop, Premier, Flash, and that kind of stuff for a living.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 18:11
Photoshop uses the Lanczos3 algorithm AFAIK, which is what most reasonable graphics apps use (or is at least one option of many). The free version Serif Photoplus has this capability - http://www.freeserifsoftware.com

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 18:12
I doubt you can get a hold of it, but they do have Forensic software that the government of America uses for getting better views of security cameras, and that sort of thing. Just Google about it, it's quite interesting, and the software is worth tons of money and is restricted to private investigator departments.


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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 18:20
Quote: "Try this:
1) Make 3 copies of an image.
2) open the first copy in MS paint, and increase its size approximately 20%.
3) Open the second copy in Photoshop (Hopefully you have it, otherwise we can't test this right now) and do the same 20% size increase.
4) Look at all 3 images (The paint-scaled one, the Photoshop-scaled one, and the original one) and tell me which scaled one looks better.
Make sure you save all 3 in the same format as the original, with no compression.
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I did that although on mac with Photoshop on the standard image opener Preview, and there was no difference what so ever.


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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 19:33
I repeat:
Quote: "I COULD be entirely misinformed about this"

This is just what I was told by my professor. Maybe I misunderstood or misheard him. But the general idea of what he said was that Photohsop is smarter than most image editors when it comes to scaling.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 20:23
Avidemux is pretty good for video, Gimp for images.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 22:16
Quote: "it's possible! I saw it in a movie once.
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Really? If that's possible then there's a Predator ship just landing outside! Get used to it, it's called CGI: Computer Generated Images.

Try Paint.NET, that's good at expanding images, just make sure to sharpen it and reduce the noise on it

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Posted: 28th Dec 2008 10:04
I already saw that kind of image editor once, and i downloaded it but I don't remember it, and by the way it really resizes pictures bigger than the original then it "filters" it to improve its quality !!


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