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bitJericho
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Now that's amazing


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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 01:40
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I've never seen/read the Shining, but I get what it's doing.

Clever.

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Haha, awesome linky, Jeku


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Omega gamer 89
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Quote: "What if your 'professor' said it was awful but we said it was good. Who would you go with then?"

Yes, i would go with my professor, because he is an objective and trained professional in this field.

Quote: "The professor understands he still has a long way to go."

Actually, although he didn't expect them to perfect or theater-quality, he did grade us on a things he would expect from a professional trailer. Like, he expected us to have all the elements of a professional trailer, but he was a bit more lenient than he would have been for a professional trailer. Essentially, he graded them like they were professional, but low-budget, trailers.

Quote: "Although honestly, the typography, coloring and music are horrible. I would imagine that if you'd ask your professor whether this would be a good official trailer for the movie, he'd laugh and answer 'hell no, but you'll get there if you work hard'."

Actually, HE was the one who suggested that font, and he thought the music choices were okay.
I'll admit, rthe music choices weren't the best possible songs out there for this movie, but they were the best I could get. I don't have a very extensive music collection, and I don't have I-tunes or anything like that, so I was limited to what i had. Even so, the music choices aren't bad, even if they could be better.
Quote: "Maybe you should just show your professor Drews' series once. They're pretty fun."

I will if I get the chance.
Quote: "You can't pick music simply because the titles and some of the lyrics correspond with your theme; you have to think of the tone of the music"

As, i already said, I had limited choices as to what music I could use. I was actually going for more of a action-y feel with "Last resort", which is why that section is full of impact shots.
Quote: "It's yellow, it looks like it would fit in a superhero movie, not a in a depressing post-apocalyptic movie"

I can't possibly imagine that font fitting into any kind of super hero movie. Its not strong and mighty looking, like the "S" on superman's chest, its all destroyed and weak. It would NEVER fit in a super here movie.
Quote: "It looks daft, tacked on. Half the time it doesn't even animate smoothly. Dark Basic by any chance? ^^"

Ummm... NO! The titles were made in Adobe Photoshop, and animated in Premier. And if its not animating smoothly, thats probably because of youtube.
Here is another piece of my work. I made this before I had started my video course, so its not as good.

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I really like your DBZ abridged episodes LOL.

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Omega gamer 89
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Quote: "I really like your DBZ abridged episodes LOL."


Thanks, a lot of people think that I copied off of Team Fourstar, but my DBZ abridged was actually first.

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Agent Dink
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Team Four Star's are really high quality, but I dunno... something about Piccolo as a black guy seems perfect.

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thanks, I know team fourstar's is better, but what do you expect? they have 8 people, I only have myself.

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Bizar Guy
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Ok, I haven't read the second page yet, so this is in response to this:

@Omega gamer 89
Quote: "I appreciate honesty. As long as you're being honest and constructive, and not just mindlessly bashing my work, I welcome criticism.
Although I respect your opinion, I'll have to disagree with it. The fonts are all destroyed and beat up and run down looking. This movie is about
SPOLIERS:

So I would say they fit very well.
I also think that the music choices were very appropriate. In the movie
SPOILERS:

So "boulevard of broken dreams" fits very well.
The second music choice "Last resort" also fits well because
SPOILERS:

My instructor, who has been a working professional in the video and movie industry for many years, gave me an "A" on this trailer.
It may have not fit your personal tastes, and that's fine, but to an objective and trained industry professional, this was a great trailer."


Actually, the fonts really don't look that beat but and destroyed. Mostly though the text-shrink effect is strange and seemed pretty unprofetional to me. Mostly though it felt like you made two trailers in one. I didn't need to see both of those. And there was too much text, I think.

And also, content of song fitting does NOT mean the sound of the song fits. Really only the beginning of boulevard of broken dreams fits I am Ledgend.

And getting and A in a class does not always indicate professional quality, even on a college level, even from a professional. Believe me, unless the teacher strait up tells you how amazing your work is, it's still just student quality.

Also, get over yourself. You're never above crit, especially when you go into a room full of people who disagree with you. I don't care what grade you got from whom, knowing you got an A from a pro does not make me like this trailer any better. As an art major and comic artist (and someone who posts game cut scenes on the forum and actually listens to crit I get), I have a pretty good understanding of pacing and layout. I'm not going to go and tell you I can't improve (or show you some of my art and then tell you all your crit is wrong), but from what I see this doesn't work very well on a basic level. You have all the right criteria, but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired.

And finally, I much more like the Milk Paton Trailer. Yours essentially tells the plot for the movie, so someone who's never heard of it might be interested (though I would not have gone to see I am Legend from that trailer). But seeing as I have seen both, Drew's trailer uses a single song, edits it and times the ENTIRE trailer to it, doesn't last long enough for me to get board, and shows me just enough that I'm excited about the new episodes. Basically it's much better hype. If you try and analyze any art from strictly by the textbook, you're never going to understand that the textbook understanding is to show you how things are usually done. There are universal truths, like the weight or balance of an image, which is there whether you pay attention to it or not. But that does NOT mean an image has to be balanced a particular way to look good, it's just a way of analyzing the image. I've just hade a friend watch both trailers, and his reaction was the same as mine. He did not like yours at all honestly, and much preferred the Milk Paton one, even never having seen Milk Paton or heard of it. I gave him no information on either, to make sure he had no bias.

Sorry, but as a fellow artist I must say Milk Paton wins this round.

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Jeku
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 08:47
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@Omega - Yah, the text in both your videos looks off. Have you ever seen a real trailer with fonts like that?


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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 14:10
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Same feeling here - the second has the same problems as the first.

However, the abridged series are fun.


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Drew Cameron
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 15:09
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Someone pointed out that this "trailer" is just full of effects. I could edit together a montage of people talking, but I don't think that would excite anyone.

Finally the effects are done in Dark Basic Pro if anyone is interested!

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Quote: "Finally the effects are done in Dark Basic Pro if anyone is interested!"


Hey that's pretty cool--- you green screen the effects then add them in later? Neat technique.


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Drew Cameron
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 22:28
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Yeah that's the ticket! I'm really familiar with DBPro and it creates the right kind of "3D look". Plus it's so easy to rig cool stuff like bits blowing up using physics and particles and whatnot. Stick the outputted frames (Get image 0,0,1280,720,"img"+str(frame)+".bmp",1) etc... into a video editing program, add chroma keying, do a bit of blurring and so on and you got yourself a finished shot!

And it's so much cheaper for particles than any of the other software I've found.

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Interesting way of doing it.

Looking forward to the new series.

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Omega gamer 89
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Quote: "Mostly though it felt like you made two trailers in one. I didn't need to see both of those. And there was too much text, I think."

Both of what? You mean the two different songs? That was one of the criteria I had to meet for this project. The instructor told us we HAD to have two songs, and at least Four animated titles.
Quote: "Also, get over yourself. You're never above crit, especially when you go into a room full of people who disagree with you."

Did I ever, at any point, say I was above criticism? No, I did not. I merely said that I value the criticism and opinion of a professional more than that of a non-professional.
Quote: "Drew's trailer uses a single song, edits it and times the ENTIRE trailer to it, doesn't last long enough for me to get board, and shows me just enough that I'm excited about the new episodes."

Again, I HAD to have two songs, and I also HAD to make it between two and two-and-a-half minutes long. If I had made it the minimum required two minutes, I couldn't have portrayed everything I needed to.
Quote: "If you try and analyze any art from strictly by the textbook, you're never going to understand that the textbook understanding is to show you how things are usually done."

I don't recall mentioning any textbooks. And, FYI, my video textbook is all about how to use Premier form a technical aspect, it doesn't tell you the structure of a trailer or anything like that.

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I understand you had to meet certain requirements.

All your criticism of my trailer was well founded; I should have called it a "teaser" in the trailer, as a teaser is what it is. I should have used more interesting title cards, too. And to anyone who'd never seen it - of course they'd be confused.

I didn't spent more than 5 minutes on it to be honest.

See? I have an excuse too - there is always a "but" for criticism. Instead of coming up for reasons why other peoples criticism isn't valid, listen to it.

Your music choice did not fit - way off for the tone of the movie - the titles did not fit, and it was more like a music video than a trailer.

I feel you had alot of criticism for my work, so there is my honest criticsm of yours. I've taken yours on board, and my next work is going to be better because of it.

I look forward to seeing your next work! You did NOT make a bad trailer, but people have brought up GOOD suggestions, as you did for me.

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Wait, the game creators forums?

All this time I thought this was the 'argue mindlessly because you feel like it' forums


I loved the trailer. It was very entertaining. A little cheesy if you don't know the show, but entertaining. It didn't build much suspense, but it makes me want to see the next episodes.

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Quote: "Did I ever, at any point, say I was above criticism? No, I did not. I merely said that I value the criticism and opinion of a professional more than that of a non-professional."
OMG, the majority of people that will see your work will be non-professionals, and they are going to want to enjoy it.


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^^^ Exactly--- a movie trailer for I Am Legend, a "lowest common denominator popcorn-fest" has to appeal to everyone, not just professionals.


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Wow, imagine that, you'll get a 100/100 score in EDGE, and end up with 12 sales worldwide for your $120 million game.

Personally, Drew, I'd go and ignore the guy and keep it the way it is, I luv it.


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Quote: "Instead of coming up for reasons why other peoples criticism isn't valid, listen to it."

I never said that your criticism wasn't valid. I said that I VALUE the criticism of a professional more. I AM listening to it, and I understand where you are coming from on many of these points. Maybe I didn't make that clear enough before, but I AM taking your comments under serious consideration. As you said, there is always a "but". I didn't have a lot of music to choose from, so I chose the best I could. The titles, they looked good to me and everyone I asked at the time, so I thought they were appropriate. I understand that the fonts could be improved, and, given enough time, I probably would have found better fonts. But those fonts received very positive responses from everyone at showed it to at the time.

Quote: "I've taken yours on board, and my next work is going to be better because of it.

I look forward to seeing your next work! You did NOT make a bad trailer, but people have brought up GOOD suggestions, as you did for me."

Glad to hear it. I'm happy I could help you improve. And, rest assured, your suggestions and comments are helping me to improve as well. From now on, I'll be sure to show my in-progress works to a wider audience, so as to get more feedback.

Quote: "OMG, the majority of people that will see your work will be non-professionals, and they are going to want to enjoy it."

I showed this to several non-professionals. Most of them found nothing wrong with it, a few of them gave me suggestions that I implemented. I WOULD implement your suggestions, but its too late, the trailer is finished and submitted. If I did change it, it wouldn't change my grade.

Quote: "a movie trailer for I Am Legend, a "lowest common denominator popcorn-fest" has to appeal to everyone, not just professionals."

I'm aware of that, I was merely saying that I value a professional opinion more than those of non-professionals, NOT that non-pro opinions were invalid. My professor wasn't the only one who liked this, half my school saw the trailers made by our class, and mine was one of the favorites out of all the school.

I appreciate your suggestions and I AM listening to them. In my next project, I'll be sure to choose fonts and music more carefully. As I said, I didn't have a lot of music to choose from at the time. In all honesty, I did think to myself "Isn't there any better choice of music?" But the ones I chose were the best I had at the time. And there not TERRIBLE choices, they're just not the BEST choices.

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how about everyone just stops arguing about the quality of each others trailers?
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nvm

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Wow, that's messed up Roxas. I'd edit that out, lest you get moded.

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Not cool, Roxas.

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I thought it was pretty funny


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There's something like timing. Posting that after a discussion has ended is just throwing new fuel on the dying fire.


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Well that thing Roxas posted is still true isn't it?


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Edited out. Tho it was only pic i could find how un-neccesary it is to argue over stupid things on internet really..

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Now that I like. The dude takes responsibility and fixes it instead of going in against the world. More people need that attitude - I could probably use a little of it myself, lol.


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Quote: "I could probably use a little of it myself, lol."
You said it, not me


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Well then, maybe I should say it to.

@tha_rami, you should take responsibility and fix things instead of going in against the world.

I'd like to think I try to do that, though often I say no to suggestions and then later do something very similar anyways. Well, actually I think I might have gotten a bit out of that trend recently. I also try to give very good reasons for my decisions, not one liners, and I also try to explain more than I'm asked, so that choices I make a bit more understandable.

Cant we ALLLL... just get aLONGGG...?

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Quote: "Cant we ALLLL... just get aLONGGG...?"

No. Because you ordered FIVE devil sized pizzas

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