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Mahoney
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Posted: 19th Sep 2008 03:33 Edited at: 19th Sep 2008 03:56
I've been working on an outline and have started a draft for an idea for a story. The premise is this:

Final Fantasy 1 (NES and GBA) lacked a solid story; enough of one to pass, but it was lacking due to limitations of the NES. I've fallen in love with the game, and decided to improve the story. Then I realized "Wait: fan-fic rewrites of the same story are stupid. Besides, it's not a whole lot to write." So, I thought about it some more. What if I took the basis of the original story, and added A LOT to it? Not just a rewording, but truly changing it up and making it interesting, while retaining the basic "jist" of it?

So, I started coming up with some ideas and discussed it at length with a close friend. With some interesting ideas from him, and many hours of planning, I had enough to write a "prologue" chapter, and the start of the first chapter. I don't feel that the first chapter is anywhere near a decent read, so I'm only going to share the Prologue. Essentially, it is my way of presenting Lukahn's prophecy. For those of you who don't know the original game well (or at all, for that matter), I'll summarize the beginning:

This Sage named Lukahn makes a prophecy about four "Light Warriors" who will come to save the world that is slowly becoming "veiled in darkness." The party of four (your party) shows up with the four crystals (fire, earth, water, and wind) and, in short, saves the world. Of course, there is more to it, but it would be too much to go over here.

So, for the prologue, I have written an introduction to his prophecy. Understand before writing it that it's a very early draft, and is far from perfect. It definitely needs improvement (especially in the detail of my descriptions). So, all I ask as far as opinions is this: is my plan one that will have a chance of going somewhere? Read: Is it a good idea?

Also, I'm going to write up a brief explanation of my plan for the story (how the Light Warriors are introduced/come together, how Garland is going to be worked in, et cetera). I'll post that as soon as I'm finished with it. Of course, this will make more sense to those that know the story of the original. I'll try my best to make sure others will understand the overview as well.

So, without further ado, here it is. I hope you enjoy it.

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dg97bvwd_59gc4hgz79&hl=en&pageview=1&hgd=1

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Posted: 19th Sep 2008 07:14
I now realize that, even with a brief summary of the beginning, that prologue will have little meaning to those that haven't played FF1. Unfortunately, I don't have enough written to give more that. So, after some sleep, I'll try to write up a detailed overview to help those who haven't played the game better understand my ideas.

Note: I don't mean to imply that the story won't make sense if you haven't played the game; it's just that the prologue alone won't.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2008 09:01
Mahoney, I loved it I can't wait for the next chapter!

A few things to keep in mind while pressing forward (and do press forward by all means! Your on to something!).

Be careful how long you make an intro, especially if that intro is going to become your opening scene. If you make the entire thing a movie, your bordering on too long. I recommend you add gameplay to the beginning such as trying to sneak in or talking to people in the group, catching wind about the insane Lukan (spelling) or something. Get creative. You have 10 minutes to capture your player. Go. lol.

Also, be 100% original here. I don't mean don't use the basis of FF1, I'm saying create new names for everything and stuff. The game is freaking old, even if you do add to the concept, no one is going to remember. And you said it yourself, you want to add ALOT to it, so why not make the game completely your own? I think your really onto something here, so be completely original.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2008 16:18
I do hope to add more "interesting" things like that to the intro; I just was trying to get a draft out (I wrote that up in one afternoon ).

And about the names: while I know many won't remember the original (but there are some that will, vividly ), I've sort of made it my plan to keep all the names and most of the story that is there. Trust me when I say this, there are many many ways that I've changed up the story line (Hint: Garland doesn't die twenty minutes in ). The names and Lukahn's prophecy will be the only "unchanged" pieces, if you will. The rest only uses to original as a "guideline." I hope that answers that well enough.

But thank you for your kind words. It's good to know that I did an OK job with it.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2008 17:50
I'll take a look at this later - I'll download the Doc as I don't have any internet in my house and I'll post comments next time I hook up to the net. I'm in a meeting so I don't have the time to read through it right now.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2008 18:01
I'll be gladly awaiting your critique.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2008 19:12
I still disagree with keeping the names. At the very least, change the names and keep the same story. There have been many game stories that have been relatively close to one another, even copied off one another, but yet the names are different to have some originality.

Another point of this is that those names and that storyline are probably copyrighted. With as much as you plan on changing the storyline, I don't think you have to worry about that, but the names are going to draw attention if your game goes far. Fans of FF won't like you for it, and employers at square are going to want to sue you for it. Why not just come up with some names?

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Posted: 19th Sep 2008 19:20 Edited at: 19th Sep 2008 19:20
Well, I guess for now I can keep the original names, and "Find and Replace..." them later when I come up with good ones. Since I'm researching most of the names that I'm using for meaning, it will be a bit before even the main characters have set names (I want relevant meanings to the names; "Kein" (wise) for one of the more intelligent characters, for example). So, I'll consider that. I guess I just really like having the original names.

Also, as far as the names being copyrighted, even if they are, can they honestly do a thing if I don't plan on publishing this?

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2008 05:37
I hate to bump this, but *bump*.

I have been busy over the weekend, so I don't have anything new yet. But, I was hoping to have ^this answered, and let you know that I should have something more for you guys sometime this week.

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Here are some links I stumbled across to help with names.

http://www.rinkworks.com/namegen/
http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/lists/MPNames.html

I like the idea of putting meaning into names, but when all else fails, or you just need names for a few NPC's, those links work wonders.

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Hey Mahoney, I've found another internet connection, and I've looked through your piece and made some comments. But to answer your question, your plot, being a regurgitation or some kind of rewrite/fan fiction will have problems with plagiarism if you do want to publish it, to use their ideas, places, people or whatever, you will need permission.

My advice would be, keep what you've got, change it and make it your own - not keep with the final fantasy thing, if you're interested in publication, it would depend entirely if you can get permission.

Anyway...critique. I'll say take comments with a pinch of salt, I realise I've written a lot and it may appear daunting, but I do trail on and I might have said some stuff you already know or understand, but my critique is there for whatever ever need you want to use it for.
Your Story:

Shivering slightly, Edward approached the castle gates. Edward, a middle-aged “peasant” (He thought that term harsh, as he made enough to get by.), was on his way to the banquet being held at Cornelia Castle. He had not been invited, but thought the meal worth the risk. The banquet was to be held in the courtyard of the castle. He hoped that the numerous guests would break the chill, as it was already dark.





The castle gates were open, a large stream of people heading into the courtyard. The sound of their [them? Instead of ‘their’?] talking slowly filled the night air as he approached the crowd. The plan was to blend in with the others and act as if attending a royal banquet was most natural to him. He had accomplished this same feat [feat. I’m pretty sure ‘feat’ is an abbreviation of ‘feature’, so a period should come after] two years previously, and was not worried this time around. The worst that could come of it would be walking home without an extraordinary meal. Besides, the guards were generally very peaceable [Peaceable, I’m not familiar with that word, spell checker doesn’t hate it, so it obviously exists.], and would likely pay little attention to him in the first place.


With the help of a conveniently positioned [I think ‘placed’ is a better word, ‘positioned’ sounds awkward to me] giant of a woman , he made it into the courtyard without trouble. [I might arrange this part of the sentence as: A conveniently placed giant [large? or is she actually a giantess? If she’s a giantess, then just put ‘giantess’] woman who helped him make it back to the courtyard without any trouble.] The gates closing behind him, [As the gates closed?] Edward took in his surroundings. [Took in? A bit awkward I think, but I know what you’re saying, I’ve used ‘took in’ on too many occasions myself. You’re describing the courtyard you’re in and Edward is looking at it - this is probably where I could mention the “Telling vs showing” dilemma, where you may ask: Is it better to show the reader, or to tell them, or combine the two? Now, you have the courtyard surroundings described, ditch the ‘Edward took in’, just introduce Edward into the narrative. Interestingly I have an essay where I talk about ‘showing and telling’ and have a character ‘taking in’ as part of an example, so I’ll replicate it so you got a clearer image of what I’m talking about:

“I walk at a snail’s pace with the wind brushing across my face, cooling it through the pores of my skin - I close my eyes and listen to the sounds of the creatures around; a woodpecker makes her tapping noise as newly hatched chicks sing. My foot snaps a twig, so I reopen my eyes and see swallows swimming in the sky - such moments outdoors can bring one to appreciate nature.”

The situation isn’t completely ‘showing’, nor completely ‘telling’, I go into environmental descriptions, but don’t tell the reader that the character is ‘taking everything in’, rather it’s obvious - “such moments outdoors can bring one to appreciate nature” is just an exclamation, without it I’m sure it’s still obvious that he’s appreciating nature, because he’s stopped to take note of small details that you don’t naturally come to appreciate. I’d post my essay, but probably not a good idea as I’m still studying the course (besides it’s only the last couple of pages that are relevant), it got me a ‘B’ so I’m proud of it. On that note I think talking about ‘showing vs telling’ is important - some writers might say “it’s good to show as it’s it can immerse the reader”, but it’s not always good, for example, pace, I’ve got 2 versions of a small bit of writing, one showing, one telling:

Telling:

Rage engulfs me as I yell, “How dare you!”

Showing:

My heart races, bloods surfaces to the epidermis of my skin - it radiates heat, “how dare you!” I yell.


The showing is quite sensual, however, does it work? I don’t think it does - I know it’s how I feel when I’m enraged - hot, red with my heart beating fast, but showing it to the reader slows the pace and draws attention from the rage itself. The exclamatory dialogue and telling the reader that I’m enraged suffices.

Taking in of course is sensual, so a sensual description from the point of view of the character would work.

Anyway, I’ve side-tracked.]


The courtyard was very well lit and, thankfully, decently warmer than outside of the castle. [Decently warmer? Much warmer? much more warm? I don’t know about anybody else but it sounds odd to me. Adverbs can sometimes be confusing (and a pain when you’re writing), an interesting thing to do is to write a story in 15-20 minutes without using adverbs or adjectives, it’s good practice for avoiding words that don’t flow or fit together or result in irregular constructions. Adverbs can be a pain, I’d say (like with anything) only use them when they’re needed)] Torches lined every wall, and freestanding torches [repetition of ‘torches’, try not to have some words repeated too close to each other] were spread throughout the area. Numerous tables were neatly aligned in four separate rows. The King was seated with his Queen and their advisers at a table at the far end of the courtyard that was perpendicular to the rows. Each table was decked with an assortment of delectable treats. [Specify? What sort of treats are they?] Needless to say, Edward found a seat as quickly as possible.[Edward managed to find a seat quite quickly?]


The night of feasting continued for an hour or more until only a few were still eating; the conversation became lively, [Examples of the types of conversations. It’s up to you here really, I might have Edward catch a few words - just to add to the image of people in conversation - maybe there’s a rumour going round about one of the nobles or something.] the noise of it all filling the courtyard. [the noise filled the courtyard? I don’t like ‘the noise of it all’] It was at this climax of chatter that a thunderous sound that seemed to shake the entirety of the castle resounded from the gates. They shook as if an Ogre was knocking for permission to enter. [Perhaps rewrite these last two sentences. “It was at the climax of the chatter that a thunderous sound shook the castle from the gates (a little metaphor doesn’t hurt instead of ‘seemed to’).” The last sentence is unclear, are they shaking because they’re in fear or is it a continuation of the last statement? Perhaps “It was almost as though an Ogre were knocking.” But I’ll leave it up to you]


The King rose from his seat and cried angrily “Guards! Who is at the gate?” A quick reply came from a soldier atop the turrets. There was a hint of confusion in his voice. [A hint of confusion in his voice...how does confusion sound? What physical attributes are there to this? I wouldn’t imagine so much of a quick reply, rather the Guard being confused stutters a bit, has a moment to think before announcing who it is. So we may not need to tell the reader that they’re confused, I think something like that might suffice - and the same for the ‘quick’ reply - so “A soldier on top of the turret replied...”]


“Your Majesty, 'tis Lukahn.” [”’tis Lukahn” doesn’t seem to work for me. I see you’re trying to attempt an accent here, the guards aren’t nobles thus may not speak as clearly. Being Royal Guards I imagine that they would have picked up a more standard way of speaking from surrounding nobles. Saying that, it may not be always be true - though ‘tis still doesn’t sound right, because it doesn’t flow, more regional accents and dialects, though stemming away from standard English do tend to flow as well. “It’s is sufficient - you can develop how the guards speak later.] Two more knocks came in repetition. [we don’t need ‘came in repetition’, I’m sure the readers will realise that the knocks have been repeated] The King seemed bewildered. Lukahn was at least seventy years of age, and completely incapable of creating such a sound. Almost quavering,


“Open the gates.”


There was a pause, then [followed by instead of ‘then’?] an uneasy “Yes, Your Majesty.” The gates slowly swung open. [’slowly’ and ‘swung’ are two words I probably wouldn’t use together, to me ‘swung’ has quite a speedy connotation, <Soon after the knocking stops, the doors swung open as a gust of wind threw Jeremy onto his back. There stood a wolf-man, “Jeremy”, it spoke, “Your time has come to an end.”> That’s the sort of image I get with ‘swung’ in a situation like this]


Standing there was Lukahn. [I think we know Lukahn is there] He was wearing an almost disheveled blue robe, and had his walking stick. He slowly hobbled forward, putting his weight on the staff. After thirty seconds of complete silence, [just ‘silence’, I don’t think ‘complete’ is a word that adds enough...as you then say, ‘it’s complete silence, but it isn’t really, there’s still a sound’] save the sound of Lukahn's staff, he stopped and attempting standing straight. He began to speak in a soft, yet ominous voice.


“An evil unbeknownst to our world looms on the horizon. It shall cast a shadow of darkness on our peaceful planet. The human hand of this evil will bring chaos to the very foundation of this world. The winds shall cease, the seas shall be tormented, and the earth shall be barren.


“But hope is not lost. Four men, warriors, will come. They shall permeate the veil of darkness with a ray of hope. They will bring an end to the envoy of our doom, and restore the light of peace for this world.”


Lukahn fell to the ground, unconscious. [A bit quick on the unconscious thing, you don’t always know if someone is unconscious just like ‘that’, for all the crowd could know he may be dead, perhaps the King could rush to him as he falls the ground and check if he’s okay and then have the guards take him to some resting chambers. Maybe leaving his state implied as well might make people more curious about his condition and the set up might have a better effect.]




Anyway dude, so far so good - I can get the feeling of the classic Final Fantasy games (assuming this is a fan fiction or something like that) Kings, Old men, prophecies, 4 warriors, a veil of darkness, the end of the elements, definitely classic Final Fantasy stuff. With my comments, they’re not necessarily things that are ‘wrong’, I’m suggesting/criticising things from my own point of view and experience/knowledge, what I think works, why it works and what doesn’t work and why. If you disagree with something I’ve said, that’s fine - enquire about it if you want. As it’s advice, you can take it or leave it. I hope to see more from you.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2008 18:15
Quote: "Hey Mahoney, I've found another internet connection, and I've looked through your piece and made some comments. But to answer your question, your plot, being a regurgitation or some kind of rewrite/fan fiction will have problems with plagiarism if you do want to publish it, to use their ideas, places, people or whatever, you will need permission.

My advice would be, keep what you've got, change it and make it your own - not keep with the final fantasy thing, if you're interested in publication, it would depend entirely if you can get permission."


That's what I figured. Besides, I don't plan on it being publication-quality.

Quote: "He had accomplished this same feat [feat. I’m pretty sure ‘feat’ is an abbreviation of ‘feature’, so a period should come after]"


I'll have to check that one.

Quote: "peaceable [Peaceable, I’m not familiar with that word, spell checker doesn’t hate it, so it obviously exists.]"


From dictionary.reference.com

–adjective
1. inclined or disposed to avoid strife or dissension; not argumentative or hostile: a peaceable person; a peaceable disposition.
2. peaceful; tranquil: in peaceable periods; a peaceable adjustment of a dispute.

Quote: "With the help of a conveniently positioned [I think ‘placed’ is a better word, ‘positioned’ sounds awkward to me]"


I think I'll change that.

Quote: "[I might arrange this part of the sentence as: A conveniently placed giant [large? or is she actually a giantess? If she’s a giantess, then just put ‘giantess’] woman who helped him make it back to the courtyard without any trouble.]"


I don't know if you misread this, or simply mis-copied it, but

Quote: "With the help of a conveniently positioned giant of a woman"


I simply meant she's large. I'll find a way to reword it, though.

Quote: ""Took in" rant."


That is one of the descriptions that I will eventually re-structure. I don't remember if I made this clear in my OP, but, as this will undoubtedly become a large story, I'm trying not to spend much time perfecting the writing as I go; I'm trying to get the story solid. Then, afterward, I'm going polish it.

Quote: "decently warmer than outside of the castle. [Decently warmer? Much warmer? much more warm?"


I'll find a better wording.

Quote: "Torches lined every wall, and freestanding torches [repetition of ‘torches’, try not to have some words repeated too close to each other] "


I hated myself when I wrote that, but I was at a loss for better sentence structure.

Quote: "an assortment of delectable treats. [Specify? What sort of treats are they?]"


Once again, details for later.

Quote: "the conversation became lively, [Examples of the types of conversations. It’s up to you here really, I might have Edward catch a few words - just to add to the image of people in conversation - maybe there’s a rumour going round about one of the nobles or something.]"


That is something that I do plan to fill out eventually. Once most of the story is set-in-stone, I hope to find a relevant topic to allude to here that will turn out to be important.

Quote: "the noise of it all filling the courtyard. [the noise filled the courtyard? I don’t like ‘the noise of it all’]"


While I thought it fit, it won't once conversation is added. So, I'll save that change for later.

Quote: "It was at this climax of chatter that a thunderous sound that seemed to shake the entirety of the castle resounded from the gates. They shook as if an Ogre was knocking for permission to enter. [Perhaps rewrite these last two sentences. “It was at the climax of the chatter that a thunderous sound shook the castle from the gates (a little metaphor doesn’t hurt instead of ‘seemed to’).” The last sentence is unclear, are they shaking because they’re in fear or is it a continuation of the last statement? Perhaps “It was almost as though an Ogre were knocking.” But I’ll leave it up to you]"


I was wary of this wording initially. I'll be sure to improve it.

Quote: "The King rose from his seat and cried angrily “Guards! Who is at the gate?” A quick reply came from a soldier atop the turrets. There was a hint of confusion in his voice. [A hint of confusion in his voice...how does confusion sound? What physical attributes are there to this? I wouldn’t imagine so much of a quick reply, rather the Guard being confused stutters a bit, has a moment to think before announcing who it is. So we may not need to tell the reader that they’re confused, I think something like that might suffice - and the same for the ‘quick’ reply - so “A soldier on top of the turret replied...”]"


That, too, was something that I felt ashamed for putting together so badly. Honestly, I hate how I wrote everything from the first knock until right before Lukahn's monologue.

[Continued in next post. . .]

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Quote: "“Your Majesty, 'tis Lukahn.”[Rant about 'tis ]"


I hope to work in a lot of "'tis," "'twas," et cetera (even among the nobles/royalty). I might work in very minimal use of the early Middle English thou (when it actually was based on social class). I'm not really sure yet.

Quote: "Two more knocks came in repetition. [we don’t need ‘came in repetition’, I’m sure the readers will realise that the knocks have been repeated]"


I'll be sure to change that.

Quote: "There was a pause, then [followed by instead of ‘then’?]"


*changed*

Quote: "The gates slowly swung open. [’slowly’ and ‘swung’ are two words I probably wouldn’t use together, to me ‘swung’ has quite a speedy connotation, <Soon after the knocking stops, the doors swung open as a gust of wind threw Jeremy onto his back. There stood a wolf-man, “Jeremy”, it spoke, “Your time has come to an end.”> That’s the sort of image I get with ‘swung’ in a situation like this]"


I'll be sure to change this later.

Quote: "Standing there was Lukahn. [I think we know Lukahn is there]"


My original intention was to show that it was Lukahn, not a monster. I now realize that I need to re-word my emphasis on that point.

Quote: "After thirty seconds of complete silence, [just ‘silence’, I don’t think ‘complete’ is a word that adds enough...as you then say, ‘it’s complete silence, but it isn’t really, there’s still a sound’]"


*noted*

Quote: "Lukahn fell to the ground, unconscious. [A bit quick on the unconscious thing, you don’t always know if someone is unconscious just like ‘that’, for all the crowd could know he may be dead, perhaps the King could rush to him as he falls the ground and check if he’s okay and then have the guards take him to some resting chambers. Maybe leaving his state implied as well might make people more curious about his condition and the set up might have a better effect.]"


I'll be sure to extend that later on.

Quote: "Anyway dude, so far so good - I can get the feeling of the classic Final Fantasy games (assuming this is a fan fiction or something like that) Kings, Old men, prophecies, 4 warriors, a veil of darkness, the end of the elements, definitely classic Final Fantasy stuff."


I am definitely going for that sort of feel, but it's very much different right off. READ: The four warriors don't just show up together from the start. (That would be stupid. )

Quote: "With my comments, they’re not necessarily things that are ‘wrong’, I’m suggesting/criticising things from my own point of view and experience/knowledge, what I think works, why it works and what doesn’t work and why. If you disagree with something I’ve said, that’s fine - enquire about it if you want. As it’s advice, you can take it or leave it. I hope to see more from you. "


Thank you for the criticism; not many people truly try to give it. They hide it as if you would be offended. That's why I came here with it: the Internet is more critical than friends.

So, with all sincerity, thank you. I appreciate the time you've given to this, and I hope to have more for you soon (most likely an outline of some sort).

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Quote: "'s what I figured. Besides, I don't plan on it being publication-quality. "


Publication doesn't mean professionally published. It means if you make available the story to the public. You shouldn't publish it if it uses plagiarized names.

Get original man!


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I felt as though I didn't make many positive points (I tend not to when I make criticisms) but it sounds like an interesting story - you've set up the 'questions', I'm curious about the 'darkness' and the 'prophesised' heroes and this makes for a good prologue/opening, as getting the reader to ask the right questions is good for the narrative and getting them to read on.

As far as thinking about your writing, it might be good to do it at the end of each chapter (and note any ideas for following chapters as you go along), you probably won't want to return to a huge chunk of writing to edit. It's taken me a lot of time to fix my first 3 chapters until I was completely happy with them (still working on 2 and 3) The opening of course is one of the most important parts. Chapter 1 took a while for me to be happy with it as it was a major character development part full of dialogue. But anyway, I gotta shoot, and I hope to read more from you.

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Quote: ""'s what I figured. Besides, I don't plan on it being publication-quality. ""


Hehe, seeing some of the stuff they publish, 'publication' quality isn't difficult.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2008 19:08
Quote: "Publication doesn't mean professionally published. It means if you make available the story to the public. You shouldn't publish it if it uses plagiarized names.

Get original man!"


Hmm...

So, basically, if all the names aren't changed, I'm not allowed to post this story upon completion on the Internet?

Quote: "I felt as though I didn't make many positive points (I tend not to when I make criticisms) but it sounds like an interesting story - you've set up the 'questions', I'm curious about the 'darkness' and the 'prophesised' heroes and this makes for a good prologue/opening, as getting the reader to ask the right questions is good for the narrative and getting them to read on. "


That's what I hoped to do, but many others that I had read it ended it with "What?" Though, the few who said that aren't the most, shall I say, intellectual?

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2008 19:09 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2008 19:10
Quote: "Hehe, seeing some of the stuff they publish, 'publication' quality isn't difficult."


Very true.

Also, I don't know if you ever played the original FF, but here's what it says about Lukahn's prophecy:



NOTE: Those aren't his words (save the part in '), just the intro. It was the inspiration for the entire prologue.

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Posted: 23rd Sep 2008 16:48
Awesome, if you really get into your plot, then I might suggest seeing what you can do it to turn it into an original piece separate from the Final Fantasy world, but of course, nothing wrong with fanfiction.


Quote: "That's what I hoped to do, but many others that I had read it ended it with "What?" Though, the few who said that aren't the most, shall I say, intellectual?"


Your audience can be anybody. But I think I'll talk about the question and answer thing. Essentially you may have the 'big' question: "Ah, big evil! The world is dying, what's going to happen?", and the plot may set out to answer that question, but you may have several bit questions in the main plot or sub-plots, but throughout there's usually a set of small questions that build up around your world - a few little interesting things to move the narrative: "Igor, a man in the Pub, he's a little drunk, but I've seen him eyeing up that woman, she's with her husband." You care what's going to happen to Igor, you reckon he's going to do something stupid and end up getting beaten up...yet he might do something else, something unexpected.

I think the Q&A thing is a good way to think about narratives - because it accounts for everything you write.

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Posted: 23rd Sep 2008 19:41
That's sort of how I plan to go about things (plenty of exciting "What's about to happen?" ). My inspiration for the overall style of it is Eragon: I absolutely love his writing style. While the prologue I posted isn't very similar to that style, the bit I've written of the main story is much closer to it. I don't know how well I hit the mark, though.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2008 02:08 Edited at: 25th Sep 2008 04:51
Sorry to double post, but I'm about to have an update: the first chapter. Once I'm done with the editing, I'll post the link here.

EDIT: It will be a little while longer. It definitely needs more work.

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Cool, look forward to reading it - though, no rush. Hopefully I will be getting the internet soon, me and my house-mates are having a meeting tonight to sort out what we're doing about TV, Internet and the Phone.

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Quote: "Cool, look forward to reading it - though, no rush."


It's good to know that people actually like it.

Also, I'm trying to work out how Lukahn, and some of the other royalty, should speak (use of thou and such). What is your opinion on use of Shakespearean/Early Middle English for the appropriate characters?

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If you'd like any artwork doing for this story, I'm willing to do some.

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Hmmm..... I've been thinking about that lately (since my descriptions of people aren't the best). I'm curious what someone could do with it.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 12:04
Quote: "What is your opinion on use of Shakespearean/Early Middle English for the appropriate characters?"


If you can pull it off so that it works fluently, then maybe. Though Shakespeare's work was very much playing with language to make it work in Iambic Pentameter, normal speech in during that time wasn't really how Shakespeare wrote, saying that, if you manage Middle English, then cool, though it probably wouldn't be entirely necessary and it'd require for you to research. Experiment a little and see how well you get on.

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