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Geek Culture / LHC Break Down

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Robert F
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Posted: 19th Sep 2008 13:35 Edited at: 19th Sep 2008 13:44
Quote: "The world's largest particle collider malfunctioned within hours of its launch to great fanfare, but its operator didn't report the problem for a week.

In a statement Thursday, the European Organization for Nuclear Research reported for the first time that a 30-ton transformer that cools part of the collider broke, forcing physicists to stop using the atom smasher just a day after starting it up last week.

The faulty transformer has been replaced and the ring in the 17-mile circular tunnel under the Swiss-French border has been cooled back down to near zero on the Kelvin scale — minus 459.67 degrees Fahrenheit — the most efficient operating temperature, said a statement by CERN, as the organization is known.

When the transformer malfunctioned, operating temperatures rose from below 2 Kelvin to 4.5 Kelvin — extraordinarily cold by most standards, but warmer than the normal operating temperature.

CERN had not reported any problems with the project since its launch Sept. 10, but issued its statement shortly after The Associated Press called asking about rumors of troubles.

Physicists said it wasn't surprising problems would occur in getting a huge and immensely complicated collection of equipment like the Large Hadron Collider up and running smoothly.

"This is arguably the largest machine built by humankind, is incredibly complex, and involves components of varying ages and origins, so I'm not at all surprised to hear of some glitches," Steve Giddings, physics professor at University of California, Santa Barbara. "It's a real challenge requiring incredible talent, brain power and coordination to get it running."

Judith Jackson, spokesman for the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Batavia, Ill., echoed that view.

"We know how complex and extraordinary it is to start up one of these machines. No one's built one of these before and in the process of starting it up there will inevitably be glitches," she said.

Fermilab is home to the Tevatron, an accelerator that collides protons and antiprotons in a 4-mile-long underground ring to allow physicists to study subatomic particles. Jackson said transformer malfunctions can be common and aren't dangerous.

"These things happen," she said. "It's a little setback and it sounds like they've dealt with it and are moving forward."

The Large Hadron Collider is designed to collide protons in the beams so that they shatter and reveal more about the makeup of matter and the universe.

After it was started up Sept. 10, scientists circled a beam of protons in a clockwise direction at the speed of light. They shut that down, then turned on a counterclockwise beam.

"Several hundred orbits" were made, CERN's statement said.

On the evening of Sept. 11, scientists had succeeded in controlling the counterclockwise beam with equipment that keeps the protons in the tightly bunched stream that will be needed for collisions, but then the transformer failed and the system was shut down, the statement said.

The clockwise beam was not on at the time. Now that the transformer has been replaced and the equipment rechilled, scientists expect to try soon to tighten the clockwise beam and prepare experiments in coming weeks, the statement said.

Before the problem occurred, scientists had said it would probably be several weeks before the first significant collisions were attempted."


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Posted: 19th Sep 2008 16:24
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No we're not! The headcrabs will be here any day now! I knew Gordon being involved was bad!

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Posted: 19th Sep 2008 19:06
my only regret in life was giving gordon a CMD

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that means dont look into the barrel when your weapon stops working
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Posted: 19th Sep 2008 20:05
If you're going to copy and paste an article you should at least show respect and give us the source


Robert F
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Posted: 19th Sep 2008 22:05
Quote: "If you're going to copy and paste an article you should at least show respect and give us the source "


Oh im sorry its from here:

Edit: Hmmm they took the link off I think, but anyway it was from yahoo news.
Leadwerks
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Posted: 19th Sep 2008 22:57
I thought it was well within standard operating parameters?
Jimpo
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 00:16
These things malfunction quite often. There are so many complicated parts required to direct, focus, and accelerate a stream of protons, it is expected that things will mess up from time to time.

Robert F
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Posted: 20th Sep 2008 00:20
This is the second time it has happened though.
Chris K
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Posted: 21st Sep 2008 18:37
Quote: "I thought it was well within standard operating parameters? "


If you are intentionally quoting the scientists at the start of Half-life then you = win.

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Posted: 23rd Sep 2008 00:39
Quote: "This is the second time it has happened though."


Yeah? That would fall under the malfunctioning often category. If this thing breaks down every single day, multiple times, I'd be worried. Or happy, because maybe they would stop using it?
bitJericho
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Posted: 23rd Sep 2008 01:14
Quote: "If this thing breaks down every single day, multiple times, I'd be worried. Or happy, because maybe they would stop using it?"


lulz


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Posted: 23rd Sep 2008 02:19
Well I guess they have to shut it down for another two or so months due to a helium leak...

They have to warm the magnets (three weeks), do the investigation and fix everything, cool the magnets back down (another three weeks).

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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 24th Sep 2008 01:32
All this just to see if they can find an otherwise un-provable particle. Hmmm....

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bitJericho
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Posted: 24th Sep 2008 03:01
looks like it's pushed back to spring now

Quote: "All this just to see if they can find an otherwise un-provable particle. Hmmm...."


I think there's a lot of stuff we're gonna be able to use this device to discover. Not just finding Higgs particles


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Robert F
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Posted: 24th Sep 2008 04:10
Great now I have to sit through another whole year of school before I die.
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Posted: 24th Sep 2008 07:33
something was bond to go wrong in a machine of this scale.


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Posted: 24th Sep 2008 07:58 Edited at: 24th Sep 2008 07:59
Quote: "bond"

Yes, bond1 must have something to do with this.
I seems as if the LHC has been turned into "the thing" to make jokes about on the internet, and I like it! =P


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Posted: 24th Sep 2008 19:45
The lead investigator said all particle accelerators have teething issues like this. Just like everything else that is new, you have to break it in.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 22:11 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 22:12
If proton P_left coming from the left with a velocity V collides with proton P_right coming from the right with a velocity -V, the relative velocity with which the two will collide is 2*V if either of the protons is assumed stationary w.r.t the other.
If V = 99.999% the velocity of light in a vacuum
we are first looking at
1) one of the protons having a negative relative mass w.r.t to the other
2) a fusion reaction that is occouring at nearly twice the velocity of light.
You need super-cooled super-magnets in a torus shape to contain the plasma. You don't need failing power supplies that can't even maintain a cyclotron strength magnetic field.

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