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Posted: 24th Sep 2008 15:28
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I recently bought a new computer off eBay. I also bought Crysis: Warhead today, went home, and installed it. After a half-hour installation, it finally installed, so I decided to give it a whirl. The graphics settings are set to the minimum, and I just began loading. After a FORTY-FIVE MINUTES?! load, it finally got to the last parts. 97%, 98%, 99%... CRASH! I got a black screen, abd began getting no response at all. How has this happened? I would really like some help on this subject.

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Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00 GHz (2 CPUs), ~3.0 Ghz
RAM: 510mb (I THINK THIS IS THE PROBLEM!)
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Quote: "DirectX10"
with a 6800? are you sure

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That's a pretty low-spec PC, and like Samoz pointed out, you don't have DX10.


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Quote: "RAM: 510mb (I THINK THIS IS THE PROBLEM!)"


That should be a dead giveaway. Seriously, I'm on 1GB and it takes 5 or 6 minutes minimum to load (the minimum system requirement is 1GB, for the record).

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i have


Geforce 6200
Pentium 4 HT (2 CPUS) 2.8 Ghz
1.5GB RAM
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and it takes about 5 minutes to load.


It must be your ram then.
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Quote: "Geforce 6200
Pentium 4 HT (2 CPUS) 2.8 Ghz"


Seriously? What settings? I imagine you'd have to tweak it to lower than Low for a 6200.

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Posted: 24th Sep 2008 23:29
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I don't know if it was crysis or some other game, but there was one game where I had the same problem that you experience.
The solution was to run the DX9 executable. (By default it launched the dx10 exe. even though I didn't have a dx10 card at that time.)

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Posted: 25th Sep 2008 00:40 Edited at: 25th Sep 2008 00:42
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Wait, apologies, I actually just found out that I do have 1gb RAM. Do I need more?

BTW, DXDIAG says that I have DX10. A screeny is attached.

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Yes you have DX10, but you can't use it since you haven't got a compatible card.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2008 00:42 Edited at: 25th Sep 2008 00:43
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Quote: "BTW, DXDIAG says that I have DX10. A screeny is attached."


Even if you have DX10, Crysis and all DX10 compatible games are gonna run DX9 with your card. So for all intents and purposes, you have DX9.

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Oops, Benjamin posted while I was typing.

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The DX10 standard was introduced in 8 series and above. Just because you have the software doesn't mean you have the hardware.

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It's not the RAM, it's most likely this: <attached image>

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Nah, I run twice as many as him and it only takes a half hour for it to load for me. But I know why, I'm running it off of an external hard drive.

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Ok, thanks or all the help, everyone. It is running now, and running quite nicely. It turns out that one of my RAM chips weren't plugged in properly, so now it loads in about 4-5 mins.

Now I have another issue. I want to install Crysis Wars, but I need to install it to my portable hard drive. How would I go about that? My computer I recently bought only came with 22gb of space. A bit tiny. I will get a new one eventually.

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I install all my games to my external drive. Works just fine, but if you don't have usb 2.0 they take 2x as long to load or more. Which is worth it.

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What's up with all this 10-20 min loading stuff? The actual game loads in about 30 seconds for me, and the levels about 1 minute.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2008 04:09 Edited at: 25th Sep 2008 04:16
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Quote: "I install all my games to my external drive. Works just fine, but if you don't have usb 2.0 they take 2x as long to load or more. Which is worth it. "


Yeah, me too, but ho do you install Crysis on it? There is no part of it that asks you where you would like to install it.

AndrewT, that was because I had only 512mb RAM. I now have 2064mb, (I installed some more) and it loads much faster.

EDIT: Never mind about the install thing. I worked it out. Thankyou for all of the insight and posting! Now, anyone here got Crysis Wars?

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Quote: "Seriously? What settings? I imagine you'd have to tweak it to lower than Low for a 6200."


Heh, I have a 6100, I downloaded the tweaked "very low" settings for the demo and I got a maximum of 3fps.

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Wow. That's ridiclyus.

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Quote: "Heh, I have a 6100, I downloaded the tweaked "very low" settings for the demo and I got a maximum of 3fps."


Quote: "Wow. That's ridiclyus."


It is, but with good reason:

GeForce 8600 GT

Stream Processors: 32
Core Clock (MHz): 540
Shader Clock (MHz): 1180
Memory Clock (MHz): 700
Memory Amount: 256MB GDDR3
Memory Interface: 128-bit
Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec): 22.4
Texture Fill Rate (billion/sec): 8.6

GeForce 6200 (slightly better than 6100. . . OK, a lot better)

Core Clock (MHz): 350
Memory Clock (MHz): 500
Memory Amount: 256MB GDDR2
Memory Interface: 64-bit
Texture Fill Rate (billion/sec): 1.4

Yeah, there's a difference.

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Now I'm depressed 'cos I don't have a 8600

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Quote: "Now I'm depressed 'cos I don't have a 8600"


Oops. I forgot that's the card you have. My bad.

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Lol.

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GeForce 8600 GT

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Shader Clock (MHz): 1180
Memory Clock (MHz): 700
Memory Amount: 256MB GDDR3
Memory Interface: 128-bit
Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec): 22.4
Texture Fill Rate (billion/sec): 8.6"


Wow, why would you buy a Geforce 8 series card if it was that low-spec?! My Geforce 7950GT has a 560 (comes overclocked to 565) mhz core clock and a 1400 (overclocked to 1430) mhz memory clock, as well as 512 mb memory and 256 bit interface! How much did you pay for that?

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The 8600 GT is a low end card. What's it cost these days? 70 bucks?


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Quote: "The 8600 GT is a low end card. "


Really? What's a high-end card, then?

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Quote: "The 8600 GT is a low end card. What's it cost these days? 70 bucks?"


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814260057

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Did you find an expensive one on purpose?
http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=GC-XN86GT256

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Quote: "Wow, why would you buy a Geforce 8 series card if it was that low-spec?! My Geforce 7950GT has a 560 (comes overclocked to 565) mhz core clock and a 1400 (overclocked to 1430) mhz memory clock, as well as 512 mb memory and 256 bit interface! How much did you pay for that?"


It's overclocked to a 620 core (up to 680) and 800 memory clock (870 max). So, it's not that bad. Also, it cost $100 when I got it.

Besides, it barely fits in my case. Any better won't fit.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127306

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Quote: "That should be a dead giveaway. Seriously, I'm on 1GB and it takes 5 or 6 minutes minimum to load (the minimum system requirement is 1GB, for the record).
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Takes 30 seconds to start the program, takes 2 mins or more on loading level.

EDIT: Oh wait, is this about Crysis: Warhead? If so, then I don't have it. Yet . The results are on the first Crysis BTW

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Quote: "Takes 30 seconds to start the program, takes 2 mins or more on loading level."


Yeah, I played it again recently. Program startup is fast, but a level is about 2 min. I was off.

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Quote: "Did you find an expensive one on purpose?"


Yeah, but compare the specs. The specs for your link are aweful.

Quote: "It's overclocked to a 620 core (up to 680) and 800 memory clock (870 max). So, it's not that bad. Also, it cost $100 when I got it."


I'm not saying it's a really bad card, but I was just saying I rarely see people with a such a low-end 8 series card (in comparison).

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Quote: "I'm not saying it's a really bad card, but I was just saying I rarely see people with a such a low-end 8 series card (in comparison)."


It's the lower mainstream card of the series. It's not an 8400/8500.

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Sure it's not, but it's not a 7950GT either.

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Quote: "Sure it's not, but it's not a 7950GT either."


According to Tom's Hardware:

Call of Duty 4

1280x1024
Trilinear filtering
Max. Quality

7950GT: 33.10FPS
8600GT: 38.50FPS

And it's less than half the price.

Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q3-2008/Call-of-Duty-4-v1-6,Marque_fbrandx876,741.html

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Isn't COD4 a dx10 game?

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Quote: "Isn't COD4 a dx10 game?"


Nope.

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That's just one game.

http://www.tech-hounds.com/review33/ReviewsPage1.html

Quote: "The use of a 128 bit memory controller makes the GeForce 8600 series unable to surpass or even compete with 256 bit cards such as the GeForce 7900 series or Radeon X1950 Pro."


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Lol, I found the chart that you got your info from. COD4 is only one of few on the list better than mine. The vast majority of mine beat yours! LOL.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q3-2008/compare,794.html?prod%5B2092%5D=on&prod%5B2086%5D=on

Oh, and by the way:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q3-2008/3DMark06-v1-1-0-3DMark-Score,794.html

Your own source turned against you.

What's it going to take to show you? You should know that it's the second number of the card (yours, 6, mine, 9), that refers to speed.

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It varies with game, sure.

Mass Effect (1280x1024, 0xAA, Trilinear, Ultra Quality)
7950 GT: 24.10
8600 GT: 26.50

Assassin's Creed (1280x1024, 0xAA, Trilinear, max. Quality)
7950 GT: 18.90
8600 GT: 18.50

Half-Life 2 Episode 2 (1280x1024, 0xAA, Trilinear, Very High Quality)
7950 GT: 69.00
8600 GT: 55.80

Half-Life 2 Episode 2 (1280x1024, 4xAA, 8xAF, Very High Quality)
7950 GT: 51.60
8600 GT: 42.60

Crysis 1.21 (1280x1024, 0xAA, Trilinear, High Quality)
7950 GT: 6.90
7950 GT SLI: 9.90
8600 GT: 10.40

Sum of FPS Benchmarks 1280x1024
7950 GT: 274.30
8600 GT: 235.50

So, for almost the same speed, just above one-third the price is great.

Also,

Quote: "What's it going to take to show you? You should know that it's the second number of the card (yours, 6, mine, 9), that refers to speed."


Yes, and 7 and 8 refer to series. You can't compare directly cross-series based on the second number.


EDIT:

Another factor: mine is overclocked. It achieves almost-GTS speed.

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If you notice, most of the games that yours surpass are very small differnces. And by the way, did you know that that site says SLI 8600GT will run Crysis slower than 7950GT? Don't forget the chart that puts my card above yours on the list. And I've had my card for almost 2 years now and it's still quite good in comparison to many cards. There's a reason why my card was so expensive. Could someone else please explain this to him?

1/3 the price? Exactly. Stop trying to put a cheap low-end card above the top of the 7 series. It's obvious that you were offended by my first comment about the low-end 8 series card, and I'm sorry for offending you. But you don't need to lash back. I'm talking about your graphics card, not you.

EDIT: and if I remember correctly, my card may be above the 8600 GTS, although that's another arguement for another time.

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Quote: "If you notice, most of the games that yours surpass are very small differnces."


You obviously aren't getting my point: it's not more powerful. It's a better deal for the money.

Quote: "1/3 the price? Exactly. Stop trying to put a cheap low-end card above the top of the 7 series."


Like I just said, I'm not putting it above. It's simply a better deal. You acted as if it was a stupid decision to buy it.

Also, it's not the top of the 7 series. The 7800 XXX and the 7900 XXX are more powerful.

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You weren't arguing about the deal, you were arguing about power:

Quote: "Seriously, though, you should make fun of my 8600GT if that's your card. The 256-bit memory is the only thing that makes it faster. In all other areas, the 8600GT it more powerful."


I'm sorry if it sounded like I meant you're stupid for buying it. I made the false assumption that if you're buying an 8 series card, you are an extreme gamer. Sorry.

Quote: "Also, it's not the top of the 7 series. The 7800 XXX and the 7900 XXX are more powerful."


I don't want to get into another argument on that.

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Its the 510mb of ram (tho its prob actualy 512 lol), with that amount of ram, game data is simply being copied from hdd to hdd (data files to virtual memory/swap), if you had more data would be copied from hdd to memory, thus loading times would increace dramaticly.

Quote: "Another factor: mine is overclocked. It achieves almost-GTS speed."
There is a huge diffrence in speed between an 8600 and an 8800.

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I think he was referring to the 8600GTS.

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Quote: "Isn't COD4 a dx10 game?
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Actually, it is. There is a mod for CoD4 X10 so it is supported.

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Quote: "Actually, it is. There is a mod for CoD4 X10 so it is supported."


Not out-of-box, though. It's irrelevant either way.

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Huh, well it sounds to me like this game is horribly unoptimized.

I played the first one on very high, when I went to the year 2030 to use a computer, and I didn't really find it different from farcry, except that suit. I still kept getting killed by people whilst hiding in a bush from 1 mile away, damn robot enemies and their bionic supervision!

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Quote: "Huh, well it sounds to me like this game is horribly unoptimized."


Are you referring to Crysis? If you're serious, CryENGINE2 is one of the most efficient graphic engines for its quality.

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Yeah, to do that by conventional means would require lots and lots and lots of power, that cryengine proved to be unnecessary.

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