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Posted: 25th Sep 2008 08:35
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Hello. I am sorry that I need to make another thread concerning my never-ending, erm, Crysis crisis, but I have a massive graphical issue with it now.

Please note that this is Crysis Warhead, not Crysis.

On the level "Adapt or Perish", the main chracter's Nanosuit looks fine, but there are spiked bits of geometry sticking out of it. This is not only in the cutscene, but in the game as well, making it unplayable. It changes colour according to the suit setting you are using.

I know this is a bit brief, so I'll try to get a screeny to show you what I mean.

Many, many thanks.

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Here's what I mean:


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Posted: 25th Sep 2008 08:51
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Need to make?, You couldn't add this to your other thread about Crysis?

Seriously, this forum is not EA technical support - enough with the Crysis posts already. This is the second time in a week I've had to warn someone about posting too much Crysis.


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Well, I can't think of anywhere else to post this, or any other forum. Knowing how helpful EA would be, I'm not gonna try there. Lock it and delete it if you must, I guess i'll just try to find help elsewhere,.

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Quote: "Well, I can't think of anywhere else to post this, or any other forum. Knowing how helpful EA would be, I'm not gonna try there. Lock it and delete it if you must, I guess i'll just try to find help elsewhere,.
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What he meant was that you already have a thread about Crysis, and that you could just have posted this in there instead of cluttering the board with Crysis threads. (Well, not really cluttering, it's only two threads, but you get what I mean.)


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Posted: 25th Sep 2008 09:20
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Besides, Crysis is just a fad people need to get over.

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Quote: "What he meant was that you already have a thread about Crysis, and that you could just have posted this in there instead of cluttering the board with Crysis threads. (Well, not really cluttering, it's only two threads, but you get what I mean.)"


I'm not a n00b, and I know what you mean. I do actually exist on other boards, and this wasn't supposed to be a snappy reply. It is just hard to get attention on other threads when you say you've already fixed the problem.

Quote: "Besides, Crysis is just a fad people need to get over."


If it wasn't for the fact that I just bought it yesterday, and that it is currently the only game I can play on my PC (apart from Oblivion, *shudder*).

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Quote: "If it wasn't for the fact that I just bought it yesterday, and that it is currently the only game I can play on my PC (apart from Oblivion, *shudder*)."


Oh, well in that case, have fun, and try not to get into "The Crysis Craze".

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Thanks, and I probably won't. I am enjoying it, but it's not the best shooter I've ever played. It is still good though.

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Quote: "(apart from Oblivion, *shudder*)"


:o

But it's one of the best games ever made!

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Quote: "But it's one of the best games ever made!
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Yeah I mean, WTF man, oblivion is incredible.


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Quote: "Yeah I mean, WTF man, oblivion is incredible."


Morrowind was better, though. But, if you play Oblivion first, Morrowind sucks.

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Quote: "Morrowind was better, though. But, if you play Oblivion first, Morrowind sucks.
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Yeah I know, I got somewhat trapped in Morrowind for a while, it was awesome.


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Quote: "Yeah I know, I got somewhat trapped in Morrowind for a while, it was awesome."


If only the XBox recorded playing hours. . . .

Probably 200+, easy.

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Those geometry spikes are indicative of a failing video card. I had an ATI that overheated to the point where the gelcoat that seals the circuit board had blistered around the gpu. Try Under-clocking and see if it helps. If it does, then you know.
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Quote: "Those geometry spikes are indicative of a failing video card."


Then the 360's too crap to handle Call Of Duty 4 (even though I love the 360).

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Morrowind is too brown :E

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The spikes are caused because as cjb2006 said, a failing graphivs card.
Most likely the ram is broken. The card cannot remember the position the vertexes should be placed at so they are positioned wrong, causing spikes.

oh wow.. What am I talking about?

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Quote: "Morrowind is too brown :E"


What does that even mean? As in the color palette? That's just how Vvardenfell is.

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Don't get me wrong, Oblivion is close to the best game I have ever played, but I've spent gazillions of hours on it. It gets a bit old, after a while.

Quote: "Those geometry spikes are indicative of a failing video card."


WAT?! That's the whole reason I bought this new computer, and my graphics card (NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT) is the best that I can fit my computer with, aside from buying a whole new motherboard. Is my graphics card powerful enough? It runs the rest of the game perfectly. It is only on this particular level, and the previous level in the ending cutscene. BTW, we are talking Warhead here.

Quote: "The card cannot remember the position the vertexes should be placed at so they are positioned wrong, causing spikes.
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But the model itself stays intact. It's just that all that junk starts flying around. Look:
Quote: "http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crysiscrisisis6.jpg"


Seriously, if anyone wants to get in my good books, fix this problem for me. You will be my hero.


Quote: "Try Under-clocking and see if it helps. If it does, then you know. "


How do I underclock it? That's one thing I'm really not sure about.

Quote: "Most likely the ram is broken."


Broken? Do you mean to say that I don't have enough RAM? I've got 2gb of it.

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Quote: "How do I underclock it? That's one thing I'm really not sure about."


Download the latest NVIDIA drivers that support the 6800, then install nTune which adds clock options.

Quote: "Broken? Do you mean to say that I don't have enough RAM? I've got 2gb of it."


Broken as in damaged/faulty. It's unlikely if this is the only thing that does that.

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Thanks. I'll give it a try. If I underclock it, how will it affect other games' graphics?

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Quote: "Thanks. I'll give it a try. If I underclock it, how will it affect other games' graphics?"


It won't; only the FPS.

Also, don't underclock by a ton: only 10% or so. For instance, if the core clock is 500Mhz, then set it to 450Mhz. Do the same for the memory (only 10%). If that doesn't fix it, then lower by another 10% each. So, if the clock is 500 and the memory is 750, set it to 450 core and 675 memory.

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That seems to have worked, thanks a lot! That's really helped me, and now I have something other to play than Oblivion. Thankyou!

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Quote: "That seems to have worked, thanks a lot! That's really helped me, and now I have something other to play than Oblivion. Thankyou!"


So underclocking the VRAM did it? Hmmm... yeah, just keep it underclocked for now. I imagine it will do fine for awhile.

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It won't work for long. Your card is on its way out. It will only get worse over time. Think about buying a new one before this one croaks.
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Quote: "Those geometry spikes are indicative of a failing video card.""


Yes this could be the graphics card, but remember the vertex data is fed thru the cpu, before it hits the "programmable vertex proccesing unit" in the gpu, so it could just as easily be a faulty cpu, a faulty bus linkage between the cpu and gpu, or simply your power supply is not good enough.

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Quote: "I imagine it will do fine for awhile.

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*Sigh* apparently not. the same is happening again, now but worse. Is there any danger in underclocking it too much?

Quote: "Think about buying a new one before this one croaks. "


ARE YOU SERIOUS? That is the whole reason I bought this computer. Because it had a better graphics card than the one I had. If I want to get a new one, it will cost me about half the amount that I paid for this computer (got it off eBay). If I want to get a new one, which I want to, I need to replace the motherboard. This computer will not support anything better.

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If you need a PC that can play Crysis you have to spend some money on it. I'm dubious as to how it would run on my PC, and I spent about £300 on parts last year building it up, that's not including the graphics card, monitor and motherboard.

I think though that Crysis is an extreme case, you should try some other modern game demos and see how they run - the PC is probably decent for slightly older games like Oblivion, Unreal3, Gears of War.

One thing you can try though is to clean the contacts on the GFX card, being careful of course and using some sort of alcohol solution and a cotton bud - clean the contacts with that and go over the whole PC with a paint brush to get rid of the dust. If you card is caked in dust for instance the static charges build up and can cause all sorts of problems. A good cleaning and re-seating the components might do it the world of good - especially as it was bought on e-bay so you've no idea how it was stored or how many knocks it took in transit.


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I can only relate my experience. I was also playing an EA game (hmmmmm..) Pacific Assault and noticed in a sniper level that I was getting spikes like you show. I used ATI-Tool (I think) which was an overclocking app that displayed a cube covered in fur and used it to drive the card to it's max output. I could see from the tests that as the temperature reached a certain level anomalies started to show in the tests. Underclocking is a way of controlling temperature but as I said the card quickly deteriorated on me. The entire game became unplayable and it spread to other games. I can hope that's not what is happening to you, but it sure sounds like it so far.
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Crysis is as much an EA game as The Orange Box--- i.e. it's not, just published by them.


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Quote: "*Sigh* apparently not. the same is happening again, now but worse. Is there any danger in underclocking it too much?"


Not necessarily, but it is dangerous to melt the GPU.

It definitely needs replaced.

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Since the computer is new, do you have a warranty for said graphics card?

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Quote: "especially as it was bought on e-bay so you've no idea how it was stored or how many knocks it took in transit.
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Yeah, seeing as I recieved it in a cardboard box, with no buuble wrap or anything. There is even a crack on the casing on the front.

Quote: "One thing you can try though is to clean the contacts on the GFX card, being careful of course and using some sort of alcohol solution and a cotton bud - clean the contacts with that and go over the whole PC with a paint brush to get rid of the dust. If you card is caked in dust for instance the static charges build up and can cause all sorts of problems."


I cleaned the rest of the computer down with an air compressor, worked much better then, but the only bits I didn't touch were the power supply and the graphics card. I might have to give that a try.

Quote: "It definitely needs replaced."


How much are 6800s these days? I can't get anything better, as that won't fit on my motherboard.

Quote: "Since the computer is new, do you have a warranty for said graphics card?"


The computer is not new. It was a gaming computer, but only in, say, 2004-5. The previous owner claims that he got it for $2000.

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Quote: "How much are 6800s these days? I can't get anything better, as that won't fit on my motherboard."


The 8600GT should fit.

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Really? That would be very good. I did want to buy an 8800GT a month ago, but the shop owner said that it wouldn't fit on my motherboard. I'll need to take a look into that.

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Ensure if you have a AGP motherboard that you have a AGP graphics card... perhaps it was the kind of socket he was referring to?

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Quote: "Ensure if you have a AGP motherboard that you have a AGP graphics card... perhaps it was the kind of socket he was referring to?"


I forgot about that. Is the 6800 AGP? I don't remember.

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WHat can you make of the attached screen?

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That a) you're using IE. Stop it. b) I believe your card is AGP.

I don't know much about ATI cards, so if anyone else here does, please suggest a recent AGP for the man.

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Quote: "That a) you're using IE. Stop it."


Believe me, I know what you mean. I plan on DLing FireFox soon.

Quote: "so if anyone else here does, please suggest a recent AGP for the man. "


Please do.

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The HD 3650 is a good budget replacement. Currently around $80 US.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102762


The 3850 is a better card and not that much more expensive but it is huge. 11 inches long. If it'll fit in your box it's worth considering.
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Hmmm, sounds interesting. What NVIDIA card would it be close to equivalent to?

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Sorry, went to sleep.

Here's a comparison of the latest cards:

http://techreport.com/articles.x/14120/9

It shows the 3850 against the similar nVidia's. I wouldn't recommend it because your m/b cpu ram combination will limit performance. They will bottleneck because their technology is too old. While the 3650 will only perform at about 50% of the 3850 I think it's a better match to your system so should function close to it's full potential. In my opinion (and it's only an opinion) the best bang for the buck wold be the 3650 and you have to accept that a 2004 "gaming" rig just isn't that powerful anymore.

Here's the 3850 to complete the loop:

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Sorry, just had to...


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Lol. That mess is actually EAI's MP9/10 hands.

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I know, I can remember you're old thread on it, anyway, I actualy got the hands and such to work, in 3dsmax that is, I imported the X into XSI, then exported it as a OBj, then ofcourse imported it again, although I can export animations unless I create multiple files then compile them all toghtether to form one file, so accidently I did it and I tottaly screwed up my F: drive by doing it all by accident xD

Anyway on topic, its probably a failing graphics card, you're graphics card aint good enough, or either its a bug yet to be patched up.
report it to EA with a image of it.


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