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bond1
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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 13:00
I hope I'm not stepping on any toes by posting this, but I've been informed that because of stricter rating systems in some countries, some of my models will have to be removed from the TGC Store. It's not hard to figure out which ones are likely to be removed, so if you're planning to buy some of these models a la carte through the store, NOW is the time to do it.

There is a silver lining however, I've been told that I could still sell these models as a model pack, a "gore" model pack if you will. Which is good, because this gives me an outlet to sell my Chainsaw Brute, and should make for a really nice model pack!

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 13:51 Edited at: 29th Sep 2008 13:51
Quote: "I hope I'm not stepping on any toes by posting this, but I've been informed that because of stricter rating systems in some countries, some of my models will have to be removed from the TGC Store. "

I was going to rant and rave.I will just say that I am disappointed in TGC's decision to do this after all this time.
I do hope that one day I can click on the store and find what I want...not some watered down version of it because some other country doesn't like it.The rest of the customers get the short end of the stick (no green blood unless I make it green please).
This is just my opinion and you can feel free to disregard it as usual.
Just like Bond I hope I didn't step on any toes.I just felt the need to vent a little.

Edit:
Made this a temporary sticky.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 14:08 Edited at: 29th Sep 2008 16:10
Just one of those things I guess. I'd say if you've bought most of my "gore" models, it's probably worth your while to get the remainders before they are removed.

However, if you've held off on buying, I'd say wait for the pack. I'll try and make it worth the while even if there's one or two duplicates you've already bought via the store.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 14:18 Edited at: 29th Sep 2008 14:19
Sorry to hear this, Bond.

FPSC really needs one of those "user experience may change with online use" disclaimer sort of things.

So does this mean the talked about/rumored 18+ section will just be like the current store but with a "No (restrictive country X citizens) Allowed"?

I wonder if there will have to be some sort of flag on certian addon content which makes a build game pop up a "are you 18 or from country X?" button prior to loading.
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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 16:56 Edited at: 29th Sep 2008 16:56
Why don't you just remove everything of yours from the TGC Store and sell them in your own store? We'd all advertise on our sites for you as well?

-Keith

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 16:57
Censorship drives me up the wall. I've written quite a bit about it though I won't rant here, as I'm bound to start something...

By "gory" assets I assume you mean things like your executed peasant and dead zombies? I haven't grabbed either yet, keep meaning to, though I suppose I'll wait for the pack now

Anyways, I think it's a shame that TGC wants to go this far just to keep the rating down, when personally I think online content shouldn't affect it. But then again, the rating organizations are getting a little extreme for my taste, trying to cover their own rears more than actually rating the game IMO (like that whole thing with Oblivion or even GTA, if you needed a mod to access it, then that meant that you were using a THIRD PARTY modification, regardless of whether the "offending content" was part of the game or not).

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 17:00
You could also sell at the3dstudio.com; they give you a better rate than TS (or sell at both and your own store.)

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 17:09
Censorship and "not offending anyone" is becoming a world trend, and while we need to know about it and find new and inventive ways to get around it, it's nothing to get overly excited about. Still looking forward to this particular model and the pack as a whole.

Sent you an email.

Best.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 17:16
It just always bugs me that other people seem to think that they need to control what I can see or hear (eventually it will be what I think ). I'm not saying that's what TGC is intentionally trying to do, but they're being influenced by trend that was started because people thought it wasn't "right" for someone to view violent or sexual content (especially the second for some really odd reason). If someone doesn't like it, they don't view it. They have complete control over that. They don't even have to have a TV or a computer in their house.

Anyways, I'm ranting. Disregard

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 17:20 Edited at: 29th Sep 2008 17:26
I'm guessing these are possibly on the chopping block, in order of "most likely to be removed" to "least likely":

1. Executed peasant
2. Zombie Gibs
3. Sawblade Zombie
4. Crawling zombie
5. Shroudling
6. Blade Seeker/Seeker
7. Zombie 1 & 2 (maybe?)
8. Brute (maybe?)
9. Model Pack 4 zombies (possibly?)

It's not all bad, as I've been offered the opportunity to create a "gore" pack and sell it that way. Which means I could really go back and make some over-the-top texture variations, all new animations, scripts, finishing moves, for all of those characters. Add the Chainsaw Brute, and of course some all new characters and I think it could be a really great pack, even for those who might have already bought a few of these.

Thanks for the link Keith, I will definitely check that site out too, it really wouldn't hurt to sell at as many sites as possible I think. I really don't think TGC wants to get rid of some the top selling models on the store, I just think localization issues are a pain to deal with. And my love for decapitations doesn't help things any.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 17:38 Edited at: 29th Sep 2008 17:38
Quote: "And my love for decapitations doesn't help things any."


ROFL!!!

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 18:55 Edited at: 29th Sep 2008 19:09
Bond, check your email. Just sent you one regarding this topic.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 19:31
wow who saw this comming ? whats the point of having an online store if the best models arent on it ,they arent part of the original fpsc package so how can it effect the rating of the original software ?????

rant over

cheers henry

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 19:43
Listen.

If the stinking content offends you, dont buy it. It's not rocket science.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 20:54
@ Bond 1 If you have new models Mail me, I'll buy them all.
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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 23:14 Edited at: 29th Sep 2008 23:15
Quote: "wow who saw this comming ? whats the point of having an online store if the best models arent on it ,they arent part of the original fpsc package so how can it effect the rating of the original software ?????"

Lol, I think FPSC actually has an ESRB rating. It's M. Blood and gore don't generally get you up to an AO rating. Only pornographic games/GTA San Andreas hot coffee stuff gets you there.

Quote: "If the stinking content offends you, dont buy it. It's not rocket science."

Not so easy... Countries like Germany prohibit blood and stuff in games, along with swastikas.
The German version of FPSC has green blood and no swastikas on the WWII doors, etc.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 01:47
Quote: "
1. Executed peasant
2. Zombie Gibs
3. Sawblade Zombie
4. Crawling zombie
5. Shroudling
6. Blade Seeker/Seeker
7. Zombie 1 & 2 (maybe?)
8. Brute (maybe?)
9. Model Pack 4 zombies (possibly?)"

But those are all the best models! Other than some of EAI's things, I'm really sorry to hear this, and I haven't purchased anything yet...Will wait for your pack or something...

My idea- A petition! Lol, I dunno, but anyways, sorry to hear this.
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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 01:52
Quote: "My idea- A petition! Lol, I dunno, but anyways, sorry to hear this."

Haha, that's what I was thinking.

This is quite a shame. I can't buy anything online but still, a shame.


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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 01:52
Did you get that email that I sent, Bond?

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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 02:41
Yeah to bad that they would be taken of of the store.

Hope this doesnt stop you from making new horror characters.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 02:53
WOW, even if i own like half of that list if you made a pack with some new ones plus the chainsaw brute and some finishing moves/texture variations id be all of it like hot pancakes on a cold fogy morning


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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 03:11
What! What’s wrong with a chainsaw bearing brute who get his head cut off and splats blood all over your screen?

Good job I have most of your horror media, also love to see a horror pack from you, TGC will lose out if you sell on your own back! TGC must get a +18 in store!

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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 04:28
Quote: "The German version of FPSC has green blood and no swastikas on the WWII doors, etc.
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So German kids are all gonna grow up thinking that if you shoot someone, lime cordial will spray out of them. Nice.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 08:43 Edited at: 30th Sep 2008 08:45
Fail.
Honestly, its a game. i cant for the life of me understand why an entire country would hate games so much that they cant even try and be realistic. This is First Person Shooter Creature. . .not reading rainbow. This program is all about shooting, and violently killing people/things. but if a model shows blood, or is graphic in some sort of way, by god we have to censor it. just.....fail.

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i bought 20$ worth of points a couple weeks back, and got your horror media bond, but i was saving my last 900 points for getting your chainsaw brute, but of course tgc double crosses me and makes me feel like ive wasted my money.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 09:36
Hold on, hold on...this might actually be a good thing.

Think of it like this. Wal-Mart doesn't allow CDs that contain explicit lyrics. This tends to hurt their music sales, but they have so many other things that they can handle the blow. An FYE store, on the other hand, can make more money by offering what the 'restricted' stores can't. And most likely, because they make a little more money on those curse-filled discs, the artists get a little more of a kickback.

The same theory can be applied here. By being told he can do a gore pack, Bond1 has basically been given amnesty by the TGC higher-ups from any restrictions that might have been placed on him. I mean, I VERY SERIOUSLY doubt that if the pack was excluded from the GCS, that TGC would turn around and tell him they'd sell the pack for him. THIS would mean that he can make more money selling the gore packs himself and have a better relationship with the customers. TGC, meanwhile, still has enough products that the loss of one artist will be absorbed rather easily.

Plus, if I'm wrong, that TGC will actually consider this as an official pack for FPSC, that means...guess what? THE PACKS AREN'T DEAD AFTER ALL! Want to bring your ideas to the table, but feel that a theme would feel separated on the store? Petition to make it a pack! I can think of a few adult-natured themes off the top of my head that would be better off as packs than as individual purchases on the GCS. Think about it; while buying exactly what you need from the store is nice, there's also that edge of getting everything you might need for a particular type of game in one pack. BeFUN's packs are selling like crazy, and most of her stuff isn't even on the GCS.

The FPSC boards have always been about the support of their own. And whether TGC realizes it or not, they've only furthered the proof of that fact. So let them do what they do with their executive decisions...we'll do what we do with our pocketbooks.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 17:03
Quote: "So let them do what they do with their executive decisions...we'll do what we do with our pocketbooks."


Very well said. TGC must protect itself as a business, but they have provided us with the perfect means to get around their own restrictions. There is no better advertising medium than the forum, and you can choose where and how to sell your content.

Best.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 17:05
Of course, you can always advertise on many of the member's own Forums....for maximum coverage.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 19:58
Dang, that's what I hate censorship for. Couldn't it just have a disclaimer like Errant said? "All media in this section are 18+ and made by 3rd party artists. TGC takes no responsibility for offending anyone. Are you over 18 and agree to above conditions? YES/NO"



Or just turn blood & gore into flowers, like in Serious Sam

Make games, not war.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 23:30
I think I have all my emails answered now. I'll know more later this week when I know exactly what will be cut, so I can plan from there. I AM kind of excited on making a pack and expanding on this though. I'm trying to imagine in my head what the shroudling would look like unmasked....oooh I just got chills.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 23:56
Best of luck on making the pack shame that they had to be taken away from the store as they are great models.

Best s4real

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If you can throw in a couple of non-humanoid creatures then my money is on standby (well, it is anyway).

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Posted: 1st Oct 2008 02:48
Quote: "Or just turn blood & gore into flowers, like in Serious Sam"


Dude! That game was awesome! I used to have so much fun grabbing a chainsaw and making my own virtual garden!

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Man this is stupid. Last time I checked Guns are what causes blood and gore, so that would mean all the weapons would have to be removed to. Then about 3/4ths of all the good models would be gone.


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Posted: 1st Oct 2008 05:30
Quote: "Man this is stupid. Last time I checked Guns are what causes blood and gore, so that would mean all the weapons would have to be removed to. "


Yup. But let's not give them any ideas. If they got rid of EAI's stuff, I would.... man, you don't wanna know.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2008 06:05
Quote: "Last time I checked Guns are what causes blood and gore"


Nope.. bullets and kinetic energy when applied to squishy things does that

Though really they just enable it. People cause blood and gore.
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Posted: 1st Oct 2008 06:28
Phew.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2008 06:32 Edited at: 1st Oct 2008 14:20
Quote: "If the stinking content offends you, dont buy it. It's not rocket science"
OMG!! Bond1, I can not freaking believe this..Aaagreen, I am with you on that..if the content offends you ... then Don't buy it[/b]..but please dont take that option from us..thats my take....btw..who bleeds green...no body i know..

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Posted: 1st Oct 2008 07:37 Edited at: 1st Oct 2008 07:38
And if people cause blood and gore, does that mean we'll have to take out people from the TGC store? In other words, no more customers?

@Bond1, we've got some pretty interesting takers on the deal that I sent you. I'll send you another email with a lot more info. Basically, it's the official invitation.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2008 13:00 Edited at: 1st Oct 2008 13:01
Quote: "In other words, no more customers"


Exactly.

If I had a superpower to know all things, I would waste it right now to arrive at the number of customers so offended by Bond1s gore that they never shop GCS again vs. the amount who would decide to open a customer account just because of it.

I am totally looking forward to the pack though.
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Quote: "to open a customer account just because of it."



thats what i did.

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Ask Lee to put in a disclaimer warning type thing at the opening of the store that warns people that some content in the store may offend etc...

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cant TGC IP restrict the countries in question


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Why would they restrict content to potential customers? Banning their IP wouldn't help out in the end, as that would take out a good percentage of possible customers.

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their not going to get it anyway, i dont mean IP ban the model pack just each model being sold so that every other country can get the models instead thus no customers are lost.


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Posted: 1st Oct 2008 22:51
Quote: "cant TGC IP restrict the countries in question"


I was thinking this also... Like the way Steam restricts what games can be bought from people in certain countries...

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2008 03:16 Edited at: 2nd Oct 2008 03:19
They need to figure something out with the store if they expect me, or others who got fpsc mainly for horror games to purchase anything from them again. im still pretty dissapointed, id ask for a refund but ive already spent over half my points on bonds - non gory zombies. but of course i cant get the one i wanted to get the most.

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wouldnt a dialouge box fix everything, just adding in the gory items to the store like normal, then when you click on an item that contains "intense" gore, a dialogue pops up saying "if you life in (insert countrys with gore restrictions here), do not buy as you will be breaching your countrys legal system.



wouldnt in theory it be that easy? then the other countries cant complain a bout it because it clearly says they cant get it because of the place they live in. kind of like how adult sites (pron) say "you must be 18+ to enter this site."...and you dont see all the pron sites getting shut down because somone from a country who isnt aloud to, entered it. etc etc.

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2008 03:23
Well, every computer would have somewhere in the system files that say where the computer is from, right? SO why don't they have it so that if the store detects a German computer, or a german user, it has an access denied message or something?

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Because its easier for tgc to just say no explicit content, than to think of a logical work around that would potentionally bring them more business, obviously.

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They want to keep it a under 12 software rating...As painful as it may be...I DON"T THINK ANY OF US ARE UNDER 12!
Arrrh...that's better.
I don't really think the IP banning is necessary, maybe just a thing when you buy the models you have to tick a box saying you agree that its not for children under...what ever. If people don't like it, then they don't have to buy it! Putting this restriction on the store will limit so much, as people like me love horror games and stuff, you catch my drift...I think

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2008 17:20
...personally, I think that TGC is shooting themselves in the foot.

Censoring bond1's models is ridiculous...


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