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SamHH
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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 02:15
I thought I dreamed this for a minute but this crappy movie is actually for real. Showing in 2,000 theaters and with a couple of famous people. Surprisingly by David Zucker of airplane and naked gun fame, the movie appears to be openly racist against middle eastern people and has very little to offer in my opinion.
What are your opinions?
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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 02:26
Hey that looks pretty funny

Let's try to follow the AUP when discussing this please. I like how it makes fun of Michael Moore and other Hollywood crazies. David Zucker is a genius by the way.


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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 04:51
My whole family wants to see it cause it makes fun of liberals ;D


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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 09:21
Quote: "I thought I dreamed this for a minute but this crappy movie is actually for real. Showing in 2,000 theaters and with a couple of famous people. Surprisingly by David Zucker of airplane and naked gun fame, the movie appears to be openly racist against middle eastern people and has very little to offer in my opinion.
What are your opinions?"


Oh please. Makes fun of middle eastern people? 1) If you hadn't notice, the whole movie is a satire on America. 2) What goes around comes around. If black people make fun of white people, it's funny. But if white people make fun of black people it's racist. Same goes for any other groups. And lastly, 3) You have actually done the very thing "middle eastern people" hate... group them with the likes of extreme muslim terrorists. So don't start with that, please.

I am going to see this movie. It's about time the liberals had a chance to wonder why everyone is laughing at them for a change. And Rick Astly knows, there is A LOT to laugh about. A lot. Did I mention a lot?

I will be watching this movie, and I will make it a point to laugh as long and hard at every joke that is made. It will be the best $6 investment I've made in a long time.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 09:29
I don't think I'll be seeing this one. I get the feeling it's aimed at an american audience. And I recognised someone in the trailer that I'm not particularly fond of seeing or hearing.

Quote: "My whole family wants to see it cause it makes fun of liberals ;D"

Your family doesn't sound very mature.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 09:31
Quote: "And I recognised someone in the trailer that I'm not particularly fond of seeing or hearing.
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Who?

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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 09:32
Quote: "Your family doesn't sound very mature.
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I second that


This looks like epic movie tripe, or in other words, wasted film I wouldn't wipe with.

Entertainment should usually be just that.


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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 09:34
Quote: "Quote: "My whole family wants to see it cause it makes fun of liberals ;D"
Your family doesn't sound very mature."


No; it's that most liberals aren't very mature (not any that I've met, anyway).

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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 09:50
Quote: "No; it's that most liberals aren't very mature (not any that I've met, anyway)."


I haven't met any rational, mature liberal yet either. Hmmm...

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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 10:00
Quote: "Who?"

I don't want to cause any debate. But it wasn't that Moore look-a-like. Though, I'm not generally fond of Moore either.

Quote: "No; it's that most liberals aren't very mature (not any that I've met, anyway)."

It just sounds so petty and small-minded to be laughing over the opposite party instead of working things out to solve the real issues. They are merely two sides of the same coin from what I've gathered. But it's hard for me to grasp the concept, this feud between liberals VS democrats since we don't have that here in my general geographic location.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 10:16
Quote: "But it's hard for me to grasp the concept, this feud between liberals VS democrats since we don't have that here in my general geographic location."

Liberals are Democrats . I think you mean Liberals vs Conservatives or Democrats vs Republicans.

Movie looks a bit too stupid for my liking. I prefer more "intelligent" humor.


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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 10:44 Edited at: 4th Oct 2008 10:53
Quote: "Liberals are Democrats"

That's what I meant. Just ask Alucard for confirmation on that. It was a mind-fart or what you call it.

Quote: "Movie looks a bit too stupid for my liking. I prefer more "intelligent" humor."

Agreed, but there doesn't seem to be that many of them these days.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 17:37
Quote: "It just sounds so petty and small-minded to be laughing over the opposite party instead of working things out to solve the real issues. They are merely two sides of the same coin from what I've gathered. But it's hard for me to grasp the concept, this feud between liberals VS democrats since we don't have that here in my general geographic location."


Oh trust me, we've tried. But then there is that pain in the rear Nancy Polosi who tries to make a fight out of everything. Not sure how up you are on the news, but our economy pretty much just tanked. Nancy Polosi was yapping about how the candidates should come in and vote on it. So all the senate members came together to vote, even the presidential candidates, and then Polosi turns around and criticizes them for being here and not out campaigning. Wtf is that?

There have been numerous instances where we have tried bipartisan agreements, but for various stupid, liberal reasons, they were shot down. They don't understand what bipartisan means. They think that coming together still means you can have your fingers crossed behind your back. So the republicans aren't taking that anymore.

I wouldn't have nearly as much problem with democrats if they got rid of the loud mouth, waste of resources, blatant idiots that they let speak for their party. They know nothing, think about nothing, and are complete idiots when they talk. I know a lot of democrats recently that have gotten so irritated by the democratic BS that they've switched party's for this election or are voting for Nader (laaawwwwl).

It's interesting how liberals have teamed up with democrats, and conservatives have teamed up with republicans. I don't know enough about history to see if this is how it's always been, but it sure is interesting.

The great thing the GOP (Grand Old Party - Republicans) have going for them, is that everytime the democrats speak, God kills a kitten and people see that they are not even close to thinking on a logical level. They make it look like they can, but they never support what they say or lie. Joe Biden, in the Vice Presidential Debate that happened a few days ago, he lied fourteen times! Fourteen! This is why I hate them so much. It's dirty politics, always. They will bring NO change to America. Only a stronger hate for government (which is what they are trying to expand), and unrest in the American people because of their stupid agenda.

Anyway, I'm off to work.



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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 19:58 Edited at: 4th Oct 2008 19:59
Well gee, thanks. I can see why they are disliked if that's the case, but still I'd like to keep my jury out on liberals as I haven't heard much of their side of the story. If they have one. I have heard a lot on TV, but from experience and common sense, I have kind of stopped believing anything there. I'd sooner believe random people on the internet.

Quote: "Not sure how up you are on the news, but our economy pretty much just tanked."
Oh, I have been witnessing the decline since early 2006. In fact, I was in a debate a little over a year ago on this forum, talking about the US economy was doing poorly and going downhill. Seemed like most didn't believe me at the time since Bush kept saying "the economy is great" over and over.

But now we're discussing politics (or rather, discussing political people discussing politics), and to say that a politician lied... What planet have you lived on in your early days? A politician that doesn't lie isn't a real politician, and should be excecuted effective imediately for his/hers treasonous truth-telling. People don't want the truth, they want comfort, to feel safe, un-worried. The ones who can make them feel safe again is the favoured.

That 700 gazillion bill will just make it seem better for a short while, but it'll create a lot more inflation and it will come back to bite you in the back-end. Which is something the economy doesn't need any more of. Though it would also be bad if it weren't passed. it's really a complex situation you're in ATM.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 20:04
Quote: "People don't want the truth, they want comfort, to feel safe, un-worried. The ones who can make them feel safe again is the favoured."


While I think you're joking (sort of), I don't want a leader who just tells people what they want to hear. I want someone who is going to do what's best for us as a nation, not just what makes everyone feel good. That's why I'm not for the democrats.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 20:08 Edited at: 4th Oct 2008 20:09
700 billion is only the beginning. We're going out Zimbabwe-style. I got rid of USD a long time ago because I saw this coming.
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I don't think you guys realize that it was either a $700 Billion bill, or a depression. These are massive banks we're talking about here, not family-owned ones in Nebraska. Besides, considering our GDP is $13 trillion, relatively speaking it's not really that much money.

Leadwerks, America isn't going anywhere, I'd bet 700 billion dollars on that :/ .

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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 20:29 Edited at: 4th Oct 2008 20:30
The bill IS hyperinflation, by definition. Gas will be $10 a gallon some time in 2009.

You think it's only going to be $700 billion? I guess you believed them when they said the Iraq war would pay for itself, too.
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Quote: "Gas will be $10 a gallon some time in 2009."


If you're referring to the fact that increasing the money supply by $700 billion will cause inflation, then you're right - if you completely ignore what the Federal Reserve does to interest rates and reserve requirement.

Quote: "You think it's only going to be $700 billion?"


The passed bill was for 700 billion, so I think that's a safe bet.

Assuming that there are about 100,000,000 taxpayers in America with an average income of $46K, a 3% tax would pay off the bill in 5 years. Now this will probably be bracketed into the lower, middle, and upper income people, so for the most part it'll be 1% or 2% for lower bracketed people. That's assuming they pay for it completely through taxes.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 21:09
Quote: "While I think you're joking (sort of), I don't want a leader who just tells people what they want to hear."

I wish I was joking, however people do seem to like being lied to. Or at the very least, don't have a big problem with it. I've talked politics with many people, educated a few of them and they try to justify what he or she said because they like the persons way of politics or something to that effect, and continue to believe that same person on a later stage. I know if I've been lied to once, I would have a hard time trusting that same person again. That doesn't apply to everyone. Trust me on that. Even my own mother likes being lied to. I was enlightening her about something I won't go into here, and she said, I quote "No, I don't want to hear about it". And continued reading her little gossip magazine. I was not shocked, some people definitely likes to stay un-informed because it's generally more pleasant to be ignorant.

Of course, this applies more to older people as they are more "hard coded". I'm not saying most people are like it, but from my endevours and adventures, it seems they aren't as few and far between as I originally thought.

Quote: "I don't think you guys realize that it was either a $700 Billion bill, or a depression."

That bill will not magically save you from the times ahead.

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Quote: "Even my own mother likes being lied to. I was enlightening her about something I won't go into here, and she said, I quote "No, I don't want to hear about it". And continued reading her little gossip magazine. I was not shocked, some people definitely likes to stay un-informed because it's generally more pleasant to be ignorant."


It is sad that some prefer blissful lies to truth. I just don't understand it. :/

Quote: "That bill will not magically save you from the times ahead."


Should a government step in like that? No. Did they have to? Sort of. From what I can gather, even European governments would have been at a loss.

But, we got ourselves into this. We should never have been so lax on giving loans. Just about everyone that my family knows did the same as the rest of the nation: spend more than they had. What happens when everyone is in debt and can't pay it? Someone goes bankrupt.

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It's funny how flexible Americans are with their principles (I know, I am one): One minute the invisible hand of the free market is their greatest virtue, and the next moment government intervention and centralization of finance is crucial to preventing economic depression. They can even think two contradictary things at the same time, if someone on television tells them to with an air of authority.
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Posted: 4th Oct 2008 22:41
Quote: "This looks like epic movie tripe"


Oh please don't put it in that category David Zucker did Naked Gun, Airplane, and my personal favourite spoof, Baseketball.


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Quote: " if someone on television tells them to with an air of authority. "


Oh noes, CattleRustler is back . The only thing that told me "with an air of authority" is common sense and an economics class.

Quote: "One minute the invisible hand of the free market is their greatest virtue, and the next moment government intervention and centralization of finance is crucial to preventing economic depression"


I think the Great Depression kind of proved that intervention was necessary on top of a free market, especially in emergency circumstances.

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The Great Depression was prolonged by the government keeping grain prices artificially high, just as they are now keeping housing prices artificially high, by giving the public's money away to banks that made loans in a market that was artifically high.

It's the greatest theft in history, and you are eating spoonfuls of it and asking for seconds.
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Quote: "It's funny how flexible Americans are with their principles (I know, I am one): One minute the invisible hand of the free market is their greatest virtue, and the next moment government intervention and centralization of finance is crucial to preventing economic depression. They can even think two contradictary things at the same time, if someone on television tells them to with an air of authority."


That's what's beautiful about a democratic nation. The government can do one thing and the people can say they didn't want it!

That's South Park's take anyway. I prefer to think of it as the system of checks and balances breaking down. It's better when no new laws can be agreed upon between branches. Vetos and disagreement and filibusters ftw!


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I just saw it today....very funny movie, and a very good movie if your a TRUE american who supports your troops and loves america go watch it!


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OMG! political arguments on the forum! ok.... i can go with this.

Republicans and democrats are both screwing up and just ripping America apart. this thread is proof of that. every one is at each others throats arguing about stupid things and accusing both partys of screwing up, including things they did themselves.

Quote: "I just saw it today....very funny movie, and a very good movie if your a TRUE american who supports your troops and loves america go watch it!"


that really offended me. how immature can you get? i love America and i do support our troops but i still share and support libiralistic ideas, and there for am offended by the very making of the movie. sure i think its funny and a great deal of it is true, but there just pointing fingers, and if you point your finger at someone there are 3 pointing back at you. both sides make mistakes. what we need is a movie that looks at all sides and shows the negatives of all. plus almost every movie theater in Colorado has refused to play the movie, which isn't really fair, but it is understandable. it offends alot of people, but so does every other show on comedy central so... every one is just being hypocritical.

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Definition of a democratic liberal: People who hate America simply because of good, honest, down to Earth republicans like Bill O'Reilly and who hope that their troops step on thumbtacks accidentally when they get out of bed in the middle of the night to go to the restroom.

PS. If anyone ever asks if I support the troops, I'm gonna say "No, I hope they step..."


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Quote: "The Great Depression was prolonged by the government keeping grain prices artificially high,"


Can you go get a history book please, there was slightly more to it than that. I believe what you are referring to is Hoover's attempt to bring the plummeting grain prices up (this was after the stock market crashed, mind you) by destroying surplus crops. This failed, so Hoover was not reelected.

Quote: "just as they are now keeping housing prices artificially high, by giving the public's money away to banks that made loans in a market that was artifically high."


They are remaking regulation to prevent stuff like this from happening in the future and they are investigating several bank for mortgage crimes, so it's not like the government and the banks were working together (and if you think they were than there's no more point in arguing with a conspiracy theorist).

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Posted: 5th Oct 2008 02:44 Edited at: 5th Oct 2008 02:45
Quote: "that really offended me. how immature can you get? i love America and i do support our troops but i still share and support libiralistic ideas, and there for am offended by the very making of the movie. sure i think its funny and a great deal of it is true, but there just pointing fingers, and if you point your finger at someone there are 3 pointing back at you. both sides make mistakes. what we need is a movie that looks at all sides and shows the negatives of all. plus almost every movie theater in Colorado has refused to play the movie, which isn't really fair, but it is understandable. it offends alot of people, but so does every other show on comedy central so... every one is just being hypocritical."


umm...most people in hollywood are liberals so Im saying its unfair that most of hollywood is liberal, so one conservative movie you say that offends you but it offends us when people in hollywood talk crap about conservatives

sry i offended you

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Quote: "what we need is a movie that looks at all sides and shows the negatives of all"


Try producing that one. Call me when you do.

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Quote: "this thread is proof of that. every one is at each others throats arguing about stupid things and accusing both partys of screwing up, including things they did themselves.
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Do you see anybody at eachother's throats? I think not.

Either way, I don't feel like getting in an argument with anybody, so I'll just post this picture I made the other day when I was supposed to be working.



@ All the people who are "offended" by this movie:

FAIL. Why do you get offended by something so trivial?
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@Inspire

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So let me get this straight. You don't want to get into an argument with anyone yet you bait us?

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@Inspire- you should put obamas head right der!


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But that would be racist. /sarcasm

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