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Jeku
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Posted: 13th Oct 2008 22:57
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Quote: "Somewhat ironically they actually part funded NS2 by making a 2D sudoku game."


Actually their Zen of Sudoku is by far the best Sudoku game for the PC--- I've bought it on Steam last year and still play it all the time. Just sayin


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I've never played sudoku. Looks like some boring number game. I hate numbers, especially odd ones.

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Quote: "That is some damn fine looking milk, makes me thirsty "


Very... thirsty. *sigh*

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For the love of goodness, grow up.


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Posted: 14th Oct 2008 06:27 Edited at: 14th Oct 2008 06:30
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Sheesh, yeah... It's anime as well which makes you guys all the more ridiculous.



Quote: "I want to live comfortably doing what I love, but then again, my definition of comfort isn't what it is to a lot of other people I suppose."


Nothing wrong with some extra money, but if I can someday live comfortably with a wife and maybe a few kids and a dog in a pleasant home in a safe neighborhood, the struggle to get there is worth it.

I'd be content to live a homeless life if it were just me. Just so long as I can manage to get food, water, and can find some shelter on the cold / rainy nights. It'd be kinda fun actually.

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Quote: "I can give you hundreds of reasons why I would like to be super rich. I'm sure every single person here probably could.

And if they can't it's probably because they don't pay bills yet

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LOVE PAYING THE BILLS!! [caps]

Sorry, our washer broke so thats what another couple hundred on top of "normal expenses". What I meant to say was that I would appreciate a fair salary but I do not feel the need to be exubarantly (spell checker darnit) wealthy, it honestly would change me as matt had said, and I wouldn't like that. I'm a hard worker but if I had super rich kinds of wealth I'd slack and I know it, and I'd only grow to hate myself and the industry I love now.


Quote: "I'd be content to live a homeless life if it were just me. Just so long as I can manage to get food, water, and can find some shelter on the cold / rainy nights. It'd be kinda fun actually.

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Been there done that, and it is kind of fun, you meet a lot of new people that way . Great stories to tell, someday we'll all have a big 'ol campfire.

Quote: "I hate numbers, especially odd ones.

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1 3 7 11 35


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She has man hands.

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Posted: 14th Oct 2008 16:04 Edited at: 14th Oct 2008 16:05
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Am I the only one who can't see this banner? Not that it matters.

If you guys are really that perverted, just go out clubbing on a saturday night...people really like to show themselves off, that's just a nice was of putting a certain 's' word, if you ask nicely and in the right sort of charming way they might flash you. I'm sure it's better than going mad everytime you see cleavage on a geek forums and making a fool of yourselves for being a little perverted.

You sir have the moral ambivalence of a mutated shrimp!
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Whatever, I'm getting really sick of the whole 'perverted' comments. It's not like you didn't take notice to it when you first saw it, and it's not like it's a badly drawn picture. Don't lie, your attracted to boobs. If your not, don't talk. Leave the conversation the straight people.

What has happened to the community? Some it's as listed above and reflects the TGC products, but there is the social aspect of it too. Take a fraking joke and quite acting like some 'mature' adult who looks down on those who like to kid around once in a while. And what's really interesting to me, is that you all say that now, but then you turn around in another thread and make some equally dumb comment. So I don't want to here your little speech on maturity Joel and Seppeku. Live and let live.

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One: it's "hear", not here.
Second: You're "reading", not "hearing", unless you're using Microsoft Sam or another text-to-speech program.
Third: I'd prefer if people would keep their fantasies to themselves. I don't want to 'here' about whatever anyone fantasizes - of Drews' masterfully implemented audience puller.


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Posted: 14th Oct 2008 16:52 Edited at: 14th Oct 2008 16:58
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Nothing wrong with boobage, going crazy over boobs on a geek forum is another thing...though I think my tone was missed - I didn't mean to come off so rude about the whole thing, just facetious.

Seriously though...Saturday night on the town, tart-fest.



On the whole thing, with the forum people - the community really doesn't have anything wrong with it - just we don't have many interesting threads to post nor a large amount of finished projects to showcase. So it makes the place a bit dead at times, but I've been posting for 4 years and a high percentage of members have been awesome people - we've had the odd troll and the odd person that's taken things too personally and the odd flame moment, but I don't think there's much wrong with the 'social side'.

How many of us actually like each other? Is a question, I think quite a few is the answer. If there is a 'problem' or some kind of tension, then this thread seems to be the first example I recognise, 90-95% of the time I've posted and read positively - so 5-10% of posts isn't much.



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Rami dude, I don't think the grammar thing is necessary as I'm sure Sid wouldn't appreciate that sort of reply.

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Sid Sinister is what's wrong with the community.

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Posted: 14th Oct 2008 17:20 Edited at: 14th Oct 2008 17:21
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Can someone clarify the situation with these forums? Is there anyone tending to them? I really think a tools board would do wonders. Its been said before but I avoid WIP boards because I cant be bothered reading about tools.

Perhaps there could be like some kind of "Top 5 game projects" somewhere so you can know what cool game projects are going on?

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Quote: "One: it's "hear", not here.
Second: You're "reading", not "hearing", unless you're using Microsoft Sam or another text-to-speech program.
Third: I'd prefer if people would keep their fantasies to themselves. I don't want to 'here' about whatever anyone fantasizes - of Drews' masterfully implemented audience puller."


Thank you for proving my point about people having a stick up their butt here. I'm typing fast in class and trying to listen. Sorry if I inconvenienced you with trying to figure out the difference between here and hear. Congratufrakulations, your smart enough to figure out homophones, want a trophy? Go photoshop yourself one.

@Seppuku: Sorry for going off. When I read it, I interpreted it differently.

@Jimmy: ...

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Posted: 14th Oct 2008 17:23
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Seppuku raised an interesting point but with so many people from different backgrounds using these forums you can't expect us all to like each other.

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Quote: "Is there anyone tending to them?"


We are probably just talking into the wind. TGC doesn't care. If they cared about our feedback, DBP and these forums would be at a different place.

The closet thing to improvement would be to have Torrey and PowerSoft(?) make us a site to showcase our stuff.

And yes, I took a pessimist pill this morning. Get over it.

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Posted: 14th Oct 2008 17:42 Edited at: 14th Oct 2008 17:44
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Call me naive, but I thought the community did get along with each other. Well yeah we're all different, but I never thought that mattered.

Quote: "@Seppuku: Sorry for going off. When I read it, I interpreted it differently."


No problem, it's one of the risks of typing on the internet.



I propose to all you lovely people, hug the nearest person to you, you'll feel silly but it'll lighten you up a bit...or even hug the person you don't get along with...though it's a little difficult to do that over the internet...but hug someone thinking that they're that person, if that makes sense.

But as far at the lack of 'interesting' posts, I could try making more writing related posts - after all that's my greatest interest and it might get some discussions going in this part of the forum.

And of course I'll reiterate an idea I proposed earlier in the thread about a collection of small TGC games that come complete with a source code to get more projects running and to get the community doing something as well as offering code snippets beneficial to different levels of coders. If nobody wants to volunteer to lead such a project, I might try and get one started to motivate people.


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And yes, I took a pessimist pill this morning. Get over it."


It happens, we all wake up on the wrong side of the bed sometimes.

You sir have the moral ambivalence of a mutated shrimp!
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We do get a long We just fight like a family lol.

I'm still for this small games idea. I'm too busy with school to lead one, but I would probably help with any 3D Models.

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Sorry Sepuku I misread your post. "Quite a few" = "few" people like each other" is the way I read it.

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Quote: "Actually their Zen of Sudoku is by far the best Sudoku game for the PC--- I've bought it on Steam last year and still play it all the time. Just sayin"


Heheh, I wasn't saying I thought it was bad - I haven't played it so I can't comment .

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Wow, all this fighting over a pair of Anime mammary glands, shame on you all......

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Posted: 14th Oct 2008 22:39 Edited at: 14th Oct 2008 22:49
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Quote: "What has happened to the commmunity?"


Oversaturation:
We are no longer a DBC only, nor a DBC & DBP community. TGC has put out a number of dev products - so many that I am beginning to lose count - and while it's great to have many choices, it also has the impact of diluting the talent pool in any one area, and fragmenting the community. Each of the dev apps takes a great deal of time investment to produce desirable results. And the time invested in one area is less time devoted in another.

I remember when I first joined the community, we had discussions on why there seemed to be less quanitity/quality games being developed/completed with DBP than in the past with DBC. After all DBP offered more power to the programmer. Unfortunately, with more power/technology comes greater expectations.

Greater Expectations:
I think that some of our expectations as indie/bedroom-coders can be too high. We feel a need to use all the latest technologies that are available. We want our games to come as close to professional titles as we can. And while we have access to these advances, a lot of times it can greatly slow down our productions. Most often projects turn into demos, and chasing the latest fx, rather than completing fun games. Each of us programs for different reasons, and for some it may be more enjoyable or fullfilling to challange oneself with the latest advances rather than completing a more simplified game.

A Piece of the Pie:
I believe the latest trend to develop tools, plug-ins etc... especially the one's for sale, is related to the high expectations and the fact that... as easy it can be to program in DB there are areas that are seriously lacking. From a profit standpoint, a lot of the top echelon of coders can finally earn some actual $$$ faster, by developing tools than working solely on a game. And in many cases I can't blame them. After all TGC themselves tries to cash-in on every bit they can. I think I just recently read somewhere (perhaps in the newsletter and a thread) that LEE is selling some of his code, projects, snippets, what have you, as a look into the "Master" behind TGC, or something like that. Regardless, everything is for sale lately. I'm just waiting till they sell Lee's T-shirt "the one he actually wore while coding..." as I am sure his boxers will be priced out of my range (perhaps there will be a bundle discount). Everyone just wants a piece of the pie.

Organization-promotion-etc:
Finally the last piece is everything else that has been mentioned. As far as I am concerned there has never been a good showcase. Not at least since I joined. And adding the alien competition games, was not the best of the best. The code snippets and the Code Base areas have a few gems, unfortunately they are hard to get too. This site has never found a way to truly showcase some of the great work being done, and I'm not confident that it ever will.

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Quote: "Thank you for proving my point about people having a stick up their butt here. I'm typing fast in class and trying to listen. Sorry if I inconvenienced you with trying to figure out the difference between here and hear. Congratufrakulations, your smart enough to figure out homophones, want a trophy? Go photoshop yourself one."

This is the sort of thing that annoys me in this community. If one brings up a point, and proves it. Theres always someone who has to comment on gramatical errors, to change the subject, because they know there wrong. Its sad.

Quote: "We are probably just talking into the wind. TGC doesn't care. If they cared about our feedback, DBP and these forums would be at a different place."

Again another good point.

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Quote: "because they know there wrong."


They're wrong

Quote: "Second: You're "reading", not "hearing", unless you're using Microsoft Sam or another text-to-speech program."


That's not necessarily true, the use of "hear" can apply beyond audibility. (e.g. "I hear a lot about XYZ these days")


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Quote: "Quote: "because they know there wrong."

They're wrong"


Lol. xD

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Thanks for heads up on banner, whoever said that.

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Quote: "This is the sort of thing that annoys me in this community. If one brings up a point, and proves it. Theres always someone who has to comment on gramatical errors, to change the subject, because they know there wrong. Its sad."

I'm still trying to find out whether you're being sarcastic or not. I can't for the hell of it find anything that proves anyones point here. Actually, I hardly can find á point in the whole discussion above. On top of that, I can remember that after my post the mood did lighten a bit. So, let me ask, why for whatever deity you believe in sake, do you try and revive a three-day old, pointless discussion?

Quote: "Rami dude, I don't think the grammar thing is necessary as I'm sure Sid wouldn't appreciate that sort of reply. "

I know and expected that. Usually, some lame attack on someone does quiet the mood a bit. So I thought what the heck, he did actually screw up a lot of grammar and spelling so why not try that. It worked

I should become a forum psychologist! With my Photoshopped trophy.

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Quote: "Take a fraking joke and quite acting like some 'mature' adult who looks down on those who like to kid around once in a while."

Don't complain if you yourself are just as 'bad'.

Just to prove my point there.

PS. Congratufrakulations is not a word.


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Quote: "PS. Congratufrakulations is not a word."

although it should be...


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Quote: "although it should be..."

No.


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Don't be such a sadface.

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Be a happy face


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Quote: "No."

Yes.


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I agree(To the first post).

There should be a 'general programming' board to, especially since a lot of programming(When working with the DarkGDK), has to do with topics not specifically related to the DarkGDK.(Window API, etc. )

+ IMO the language(DBP) is currently attracting people "not really interrested in programming"(Besides: LOAD AWSOME OBJECT; APPLY COOLEST EFFECT; SET AS ENEMY; like`ish programming)
Its not that packages/libraries like DarkAI and so on, are 'bad', but it is just that packages like these attracts people who will never finish a game. Because, you still need to a bit more work(Then MAKE BADGUY) before you have a working, fun, and playable game.

Just my opinion, sry if a went a little to much of topic.





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Okay, I've wasted enough time on that 'sadface'.

In any case, I also feel there are too many 'nice guys' around here. Seems to become a bit like how I imagined it was during the days of the ANJL and AANJL and stuff. We've people giving their fair and honest opinion, and I'm starting to see people putting people off that do so.

Starting to stop me from giving critics at all - it'll be ignored since there will be at least a few saying:

'ah yu sux u cand do id betder'

I don't give a crap whether I can do it better or not. Critics aren't there to be better than you - you're asking for feedback. Then don't friggin' cry if you get some.

That said, I'm getting increased respect for those who handle feedback as they should.


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Quote: "I imagined it was during the days of the ANJL and AANJL"

don't forget Jimmy's ABJL




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Quote: "There should be a 'general programming' board to, especially since a lot of programming(When working with the DarkGDK), has to do with topics not specifically related to the DarkGDK.(Window API, etc. )"


Um. . .

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_read&i=20

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Wow. Dam. hehe.
Well okay, thanks for the heads up.
Now i can go to bed and feel stupid hehe..



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Quote: "Now i can go to bed and feel stupid"


Don't feel stupid. I don't go to most of the boards, either.

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There's other places than geek culture?

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*Sadly concludes that Grandma and Zombie 20's conversation actually is a quite accurate representation of reality*


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Quote: "In any case, I also feel there are too many 'nice guys' around here. Seems to become a bit like how I imagined it was during the days of the ANJL and AANJL and stuff. We've people giving their fair and honest opinion, and I'm starting to see people putting people off that do so.

Starting to stop me from giving critics at all - it'll be ignored since there will be at least a few saying:

'ah yu sux u cand do id betder'

I don't give a crap whether I can do it better or not. Critics aren't there to be better than you - you're asking for feedback. Then don't friggin' cry if you get some.

That said, I'm getting increased respect for those who handle feedback as they should."


I assume you're talking about feedback from people in other parts of the forum - I tend to stick to 3D chat (though I haven't for a little while), what I think you're talking about is the: "that looks cool keep it up" comments (correct me if I am wrong) instead of criticisms on improvement. If so I think I could agree to an extend, I see people in 3D chat giving criticism and have done so myself, as for WIPs and other places, I woudn't know, if they do, then it's not helpful. If it's defensive 'I'd like to see you do better' comments, then I think they're foolish and aren't going to get far with their project with that attitude (and have no concept of the word 'feedback') I would have thought those sorts would be only a select few.

You sir have the moral ambivalence of a mutated shrimp!
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I agree with what he's saying for the most part too. If I see a wireframe with horrible topology and surface flow, I am going to say something. But what bothers me is that, out of 90 odd some posts, I'm the only one doing it! Yes, it's a good start, but enabling someone to continue bad modeling practices isn't going to help them.

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