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Grandma
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Posted: 24th Oct 2008 19:28 Edited at: 24th Oct 2008 19:31
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Quote: "I wouldn't get within a mile of those flu shots they give in the US, full of mercury."


Quote: "I'm not challenging you, but do you have evidence of that? I'd just like to see it."

Evidence? It's not some conspiracy theory. I thought it was well known, but somehow....not adressed properly. Sure though, here's a few links I dug up from a quick google search:
http://www.momsagainstmercury.org/mercury.htm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/04/02/MNG4I5VJRT1.DTL
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=685311
http://www.channel3000.com/iteam/3992626/detail.html

There are n gazillion other sites and news stories from different sources you can swift trough if you have the time. Seems to me that it's an issue all over the interweb but remains pretty quiet on the TV front?

I've also heard about it at least on three seperate occasions on talk-radio trough shoutcast, where people call in sometimes and talk about the merucry in the shots and that their kid became less...active. Sounding very angry about it naturally.

It's a real problem, and as mentioned, should be adressed because it's wrong on so many levels.

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Posted: 24th Oct 2008 19:39 Edited at: 24th Oct 2008 19:44
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Quote: "As a state chemist, he tests mercury and other metals. He's also the father of an autistic child. He and other parents and pediatricians believe skyrocketing rates of U.S. autism in the 1990s are linked to childhood vaccines that contain thimerosal -- a preservative that's nearly 50 percent mercury."


Actually, this is a very common fear, but it's not true. Statistically, kids who received these shots were no more likely to be diagnosed with Autism than those who did not. What's happening is simply because their kid was diagnosed with Autism, the parents try to find something to blame it on, and flu vaccines are taking the blame simply because it was given around the time the kids were diagnosed. It's just coincidental though, there's been a lot of studies into this and there's been no correlation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19036669/

Quote: "There are n gazillion other sites and news stories from different sources you can swift trough if you have the time. Seems to me that it's an issue all over the interweb but remains pretty quiet on the TV front?"


Have you stopped to think that maybe it's because not everything on the internet is true?


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Man, I'm really stuck on whether to get a flu shot now... I mean... I know it is potentially damaging to my body... I feel like I get the flu because of the flu shot (or get it anyway), but... does the con's really outweigh the pro's? Say I get really sick with the flu, can I die?

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Posted: 24th Oct 2008 19:48
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If you're an adult.



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Posted: 24th Oct 2008 19:49
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Quote: "Actually, this is a very common fear, but it's not true. Statistically, kids who received these shots were no more likely to be diagnosed with Autism than those who did not. What's happening is simply because their kid was diagnosed with Autism, the parents try to find something to blame it on, and flu vaccines are taking the blame simply because it was given around the time the kids were diagnosed. It's just coincidental though, there's been a lot of studies into this and there's been no correlation."


I don't See how it can NOT attribute to autism...The fact is that there's obviously mercury in the flu shots, and mercury DOES damage your brain, that's confirmed. 1+1=2?

I don't like these coincidences either.

And what about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU8nSn5Ezd8
Seems legit.

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Posted: 24th Oct 2008 21:13
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As noted in the article. Babies drinking breast milk are subjected to far more mercury.

Take it like this, if you take the flu shot, and then get hit by a car the next day, are you gonna start telling people the flu shot got you hit by a car?

Even though there's probably loads of people who took a flu shot and then got hit by a car within the next few weeks or months?


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Posted: 24th Oct 2008 21:17 Edited at: 24th Oct 2008 21:23
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Quote: "Man, I'm really stuck on whether to get a flu shot now... I mean... I know it is potentially damaging to my body... I feel like I get the flu because of the flu shot (or get it anyway), but... does the con's really outweigh the pro's? Say I get really sick with the flu, can I die?"


No, unless you have an immune system deficiency or or are old or very young (baby).

If you're a healthy adult/teen a flu will not kill you.

That said, I personally am not getting the flu vaccine. I don't see a need, if I get sick, I get sick. If I don't then I don't. With the vaccine you're almost guaranteed to feel sick for a week or two

I'd rather take my chances.

As for the shot itself, it's not 'damaging to your body'. Unless you stay away from all processed foods that contain preservatives, and you if you don't eat any kind of fish to stay away from mercury.

The flu shot is completely harmless, except for the half-dead viruses it actually contains.


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Hmm, maybe I won't get one then. I haven't had one in a few years, and was contemplating getting one this year. But, if I can't die from it, and I usually get sick anyway, I don't see the benefit. Especially if it's true that they can be harmful.

I do, however, have to get a meningitis shot. Universities require them here in the states, but I haven't had one because I go to a normal college that doesn't have dorms. But, seeing as I'm around a bunch of college kids, who god knows where they've been (lol), I should get one.

What happens if you get meningitis anyway? Can you die from that?

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Posted: 24th Oct 2008 21:49 Edited at: 24th Oct 2008 21:50
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Quote: "As noted in the article. Babies drinking breast milk are subjected to far more mercury."

That's assuming the mother have eaten fish or other foods that contained mercury in the first place. The mother is not the "origin". I don't see how that counters my point here. And babies usually poop and do their thing to dispose most of that, which is considerably harder to do with injected mercury.

Quote: "Take it like this, if you take the flu shot, and then get hit by a car the next day, are you gonna start telling people the flu shot got you hit by a car?

Even though there's probably loads of people who took a flu shot and then got hit by a car within the next few weeks or months?"

I don't think that was an accurate analogy. Even so, if that's what the statistics shows, then it might be a connection. I wouldn't know. However, is it stupid to be on the safe side? I would hope everyone who cares about their health would stay on the sidewalk instead of walking in the middle of the road because other people do it (and they seem to be fine), but that doesn't mean you'll be.

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Posted: 24th Oct 2008 22:14
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Quote: "I don't think that was an accurate analogy. Even so, if that's what the statistics shows, then it might be a connection. I wouldn't know. However, is it stupid to be on the safe side? I would hope everyone who cares about their health would stay on the sidewalk instead of walking in the middle of the road because other people do it (and they seem to be fine), but that doesn't mean you'll be.
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That is an accurate analogy to what's going on here. What's there to investigate? You didn't get hit by the car cuz you got a flu shot, you got hit by a car cuz you didn't look both ways.

The point is, statistically, they're as likely to get hit by a car due to a flu shot as they are to get autism due to a flu shot. (IE, there's no correlation).

Quote: "However, is it stupid to be on the safe side?"


It's stupid to correlate things that have been scientifically proven not to affect each other.


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Posted: 24th Oct 2008 22:30
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Quote: "The point is, statistically, they're as likely to get hit by a car due to a flu shot as they are to get autism due to a flu shot. (IE, there's no correlation)."

If you say so. There's obviously nothing I can do to change your firm stance, but I emplore you to be less sure of yourself on a subject that you aren't (seemingly) very familiar with. people who have looked into this for a long time aren't as sure as you are. I'll rather believe them.

Quote: "It's stupid to correlate things that have been scientifically proven not to affect each other."

I agree.

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Posted: 24th Oct 2008 22:43 Edited at: 24th Oct 2008 22:44
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It's not like I have a firm stance, it's just, when you keep seeing stuff like this:

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2004/504_iom.html

It's hard to accept information published on sites like http://www.momsagainstmercury.org who's primary purpose appears to be to publish all information supporting their claims and disregarding all others.

Unless you can find published papers that claim there is a link between Autism and vaccines, I'm just not gonna buy it .

One of your articles started with this line:

Quote: "but some parents and others have a much different perspective. "


Who cares what some *parents* think. Why is the news even reporting what parents think. I want to know what scientists and doctors think when it comes to medicine. And it's fairly clear that science shows no link.


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Posted: 24th Oct 2008 23:04 Edited at: 24th Oct 2008 23:04
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Quote: "It's hard to accept information published on sites like http://www.momsagainstmercury.org who's primary purpose appears to be to publish all information supporting their claims and disregarding all others."


It's hard to accept anything on http://mo([ms] || [thers])against(*).(*).

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Posted: 24th Oct 2008 23:17 Edited at: 24th Oct 2008 23:22
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Quote: "It's hard to accept information published on sites like http://www.momsagainstmercury.org who's primary purpose appears to be to publish all information supporting their claims and disregarding all others."

That's true, but fda can't be perfect either? I'm not saying they are corrupt or under heavy pressure to "confirm" its safety, but they're human too, and it's 1 source against countless. Though I favour quality over quantity any day! It just strikes me as odd because of the coincidences. They could just be coincidences of course, but I don't believe that they are.

Quote: "Unless you can find published papers that claim there is a link between Autism and vaccines, I'm just not gonna buy it."

Very well, that's reasonable.

Quote: "Who cares what some *parents* think. Why is the news even reporting what parents think. I want to know what scientists and doctors think when it comes to medicine."

I think the news had to mention the parents as they were the ones who actually brought up the subject.

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Posted: 24th Oct 2008 23:21
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Quote: "I think the news had to mention the parents as they were the ones who actually brought up the subject."


My point exactly. It wasn't the clinical trials, or the doctors themselves discovering it during diagnosis. No, it was the mothers, the same people who will believe that anything wrong with their precious kids is someone else's doing, instead of just the cards dealt.


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Quote: "My point exactly. It wasn't the clinical trials, or the doctors themselves discovering it during diagnosis. No, it was the mothers"

And it was just a school-dropout that discovered the theory of relativity. I know that wasn't the best example, but my point is that does it really matter what the source is as long as the info is true and brought to light? (Not saying it is true or isn't, this was a general question). Though mothers certainly can be overprotective, it's not just them I hear complaining about this.

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