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Mahoney
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I didn't expect this, but I actually like this decision.

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2008/10/13/introducing-windows-7.aspx

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Was looking promising until I read

Quote: "Likewise, coming up with an all-new "aspirational" name does not do justice to what we are trying to achieve, which is to stay firmly rooted in our aspirations for Windows Vista, while evolving and refining the substantial investments in platform technology in Windows Vista into the next generation of Windows."



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im confused as to the order of windows...there have been many more windows versions than 7?

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Posted: 14th Oct 2008 19:49 Edited at: 14th Oct 2008 19:49
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Quote: "Was looking promising until I read

Quote"


The goal for Windows 7 is basically Vista, but faster, and with more "useful" features (unlike some of Vista's new features).

Quote: "im confused as to the order of windows...there have been many more windows versions than 7?"


Windows NT version:

# Windows NT 3.1, 3.5, 3.51
# Windows NT 4.0
# Windows 2000 (Windows NT 5.0)
# Windows XP (Windows NT 5.1)
# Windows Server 2003 (Windows NT 5.2)
# Windows XP Professional x64 Edition (Windows NT 5.2)
# Windows Home Server (Windows NT 5.2)
# Windows Vista (Windows NT 6.0)
# Windows Server 2008 (Windows NT 6.0)
# Windows 7 (Windows NT 7.0)

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Posted: 14th Oct 2008 20:12 Edited at: 14th Oct 2008 20:12
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Ironically enough, Windows 7 kernel version: 6.1
Perfect!

Quote: "Was looking promising until I read

Quote: "Likewise, coming up with an all-new "aspirational" name does not do justice to what we are trying to achieve, which is to stay firmly rooted in our aspirations for Windows Vista, while evolving and refining the substantial investments in platform technology in Windows Vista into the next generation of Windows.""

Oh, you don't like the idea of taking a great OS, but removing everything that everyone is constantly whining about? Or you just don't like the idea of a new and improved OS? What is it that you didn't like?

I, for one, am very excited for windows 7. Windows Vista without the bloat? GREAT idea, in my opinion.


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Quote: "Ironically enough, Windows 7 kernel version: 6.1"


I'm not 100% sure, but I think 6.1 and 7.0 are going to be synonymous, as far as the Windows kernel goes. It's weird. :/

Quote: "Windows Vista without the bloat? GREAT idea, in my opinion."


Yep! They're modifying their compatibility techniques to greatly improve performance.

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Posted: 14th Oct 2008 20:36
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AWESOME!! I might buy a laptop with Windows Vista, upgrade to 7...*drool*

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Quote: "... what we are trying to achieve, which is to stay firmly rooted in our aspirations for Windows Vista, while evolving and refining the substantial investments in platform technology in Windows Vista into the next generation of Windows."

They're only mentioning Vista because it was popular, they want to build on that success. Personally I preferred 98.

A small program that works is better than a large one that doesn't.

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Quote: "Personally I preferred 98."


Please tell me that's sarcasm.

The 98 kernel sucked @$$.

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Quote: "Please tell me that's sarcasm.

The 98 kernel sucked @$$."

Well to tell the truth the PC I had with 98 was a total wreck that only ran Dark Basic
But it seemed to let you do more with folders and stuff which was handy.

A small program that works is better than a large one that doesn't.

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Quote: "Well to tell the truth the PC I had with 98 was a total wreck that only ran Dark Basic"


Sounds like 98.

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Windows XP was the best thing that ever happened to my computer experience.

Vista is pretty dang awesome too.

I'm actually pretty darn excited for 7.


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Whats the actual improvement of windows 7 over vista, or is it just gona be another vista fiasco?

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Quote: "Whats the actual improvement of windows 7 over vista, or is it just gona be another vista fiasco?"


Like we've already said, the plan is: Vista, slimmed down for performance, with new features that are actually useful.

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Sounds good. I hope the features are useful to gamers aswell as the office dude.

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Wait until you see the new Paint and Wordpad! Office Ribbon!

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Posted: 15th Oct 2008 05:36 Edited at: 15th Oct 2008 05:38
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gah... GAH.

I hate what they did to MSPaint in Vista. They DESTROYED its virtue. Defaulting the output to .jpg and moving the color pal. to the top? GUH!


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Quote: "I hate what they did to MSPaint in Vista. They DESTROYED its virtue. Defaulting the output to .jpg and moving the color pal. to the top? GUH!"


Meh. I think it makes more sense there: it's position is based less on the size of the window. Besides, it's getting a huge upgrade in 7.

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What a dirty whore!

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It makes more sense for me to leave something where it's been since Windows 3.1

That's where it's been since I knew what Windows was. There's really no purpose in moving it. Before, it was movable, now? STUCK! lame... truly lame.


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I agree. Thats retarded, changing it for the sake of changing.

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You could drag the palette and dock it at the bottom if it is really upsetting you that much

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Quote: "You could drag the palette and dock it at the bottom if it is really upsetting you that much
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holy cow, I've tried to do that so many times, and I just tried it again to make sure you couldn't before I posted something. and my goodness, it worked. Now I don't care anymore. You just have to click it in the exact right spot...


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Now to figure out how to adjust it so it doesn't save everything to a lossy format by default.

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Quote: "Like we've already said, the plan is: Vista, slimmed down for performance, with new features that are actually useful."


How are Vista's new features not useful?

I use the Start menu search all the time and it's a lifesaver. Sidebar is very handy as well. Everyone just whines cause their PC can't run it. Vista has been the best OS I've ever had and I've used all the Windows OS's

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Quote: "How are Vista's new features not useful?

I use the Start menu search all the time and it's a lifesaver. Sidebar is very handy as well. Everyone just whines cause their PC can't run it. Vista has been the best OS I've ever had and I've used all the Windows OS's"


I wasn't dissing Vista. I love it's new features. I was just making sure all the people who hate it know that MS is trying.

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Quote: "Now to figure out how to adjust it so it doesn't save everything to a lossy format by default."


Meh, I save everything as jpg anyway that I make in paint. If I need a bmp, I'm almost certainly making sprites in which case I'd use a sprite editor. If I'm making anything else where quality matters, I'd copy what I'm working on in paint and paste it into GIMP

I can see where it'd get annoying if you're making a bunch of bmp images, but seriously, I've never found myself annoyed.

Now if they redesign paint for windows 7, I'm going to be seriously annoyed.

Wordpad? I could care less what they do to it, as long as it opens files with linux newlines properly I'll be happy


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Quote: "Now if they redesign paint for windows 7, I'm going to be seriously annoyed."


They are. From what I can tell, they're actually giving it some good features, possibly even an optional Ribbon interface.

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Quote: "possibly even an optional Ribbon interface."

to do what...? It's not like Paint has a whole lot to it.

Anywho... all I really want from paint is the ability to have transparencies!


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Quote: "to do what...? It's not like Paint has a whole lot to it.

Anywho... all I really want from paint is the ability to have transparencies!"


That's my point. They're adding enough features to validate Ribbon usage.

Screens from leaked Windows 7 beta of Paint prototype:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/Win7paint.png

And Wordpad prototype:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/Win7wordpad.png

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I take back my cynicism. Great interface work. Very logical.

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Quote: "Everyone just whines cause their PC can't run it"


With 2.4Ghz, 2GB of RAM, 500GB Seagate Barracuda, and a 256mb 7600, yes, I am whining because it doesn't run very well


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Well, my brother has 2.4Ghz, 1 gig of ram, 512Mb 7950, and it runs smooth.

Looks like it's something on your end, not Vistas.

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Quote: "I take back my cynicism. Great interface work. Very logical."


I figured most would like that shot.

Quote: "With 2.4Ghz, 2GB of RAM, 500GB Seagate Barracuda, and a 256mb 7600, yes, I am whining because it doesn't run very well"


Quote: "Well, my brother has 2.4Ghz, 1 gig of ram, 512Mb 7950, and it runs smooth.

Looks like it's something on your end, not Vistas."


Yeah. I'm on a 1.6Ghz C2D, 1GB RAM, and an 8600GT 256MB. It runs like a dream. Seriously, that's not Vista.

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It runs fine on mine, and runs smooth on the downstairs family pc, which has 1gb ram, semprom 3300+, Gefore 6200+.

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Quote: "Seriously, that's not Vista."


Then why does XP run flawlessly?


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Quote: "Then why does XP run flawlessly?"


Different install = different registry state

Different install = WAY DIFFERENT

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Different install = different registry state

Different install = WAY DIFFERENT"


I'm talking fresh installs here, it runs like crap on a brand new install


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I found NTFS to be slow as heck. Does Vista allow FAT32?

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wtf? fat32 doesn't allow for permissions, afaik. You shouldn't use it at all, and I believe it can't be used for a vista install (though it can read fat32 partitions.

I've never noticed ntfs to be slower than fat32. Then again, i haven't used fat32 since windows 98


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Quote: "I found NTFS to be slow as heck."


Myth. Ctrl-F "fat32" and find the section about NTFS vs. FAT32.

http://home.comcast.net/~SupportCD/XPMyths.html

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Are you sure you're not confusing that with Vista's horrible file copy speed?(which for my machine was still broken post SP1, along with poor performance in general)


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Quote: "Sure you're not mistaking that with Vista's horrible file copy speed (which for my machine was still broken post SP1, along with poor performance in general)"


Probably the case. Google TeraCopy. It GREATLY improves copy performance (as long as you use the buffer-size option).

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I never realised it had been proven quicker; just I noticed how sluggish it seemed until I reformatted and used FAT32 instead. Might be something system specific, like the fact that my HDDs are connected through a PCI expansion card using IDE.

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More than likely your hdd had been defragmented or perhaps the difference was the indexing service was not being run (which can be turned off easily enough).


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Didn't read all the posts on this page...

XP vs Vista fresh install, Vista would run slower as Vista has more of it's fancy smancy stuff running that XP doesn't.


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XP vs Vista fresh install, Vista would run slower as Vista has more of it's fancy smancy stuff running that XP doesn't."


I am officially convinced the Internet is a large pack of Lemmings, but with mice and keyboards.

This flame war has been fought 4-billion times. Seriously, if you have the hardware, Vista will run just as well as XP. If by "fancy smancy" stuff, you mean efficient handling of disk I/O, improved memory management, and a more stable foundation due to a superior compartmentalized kernel, then yes, that's the case.

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Vista rox. Period.

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Agree


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Thirded, and Win7 looks awesome too. I actually like Windows 7 and wished they would keep it as the actual name, looks like they did.

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