Sorry your browser is not supported!

You are using an outdated browser that does not support modern web technologies, in order to use this site please update to a new browser.

Browsers supported include Chrome, FireFox, Safari, Opera, Internet Explorer 10+ or Microsoft Edge.

FPSC Classic Models and Media / A Quick Look At Milkshape Animations

Author
Message
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 24th Nov 2008 20:16 Edited at: 27th Nov 2008 23:46
Link
Here is a little help for those having trouble understanding how to set the keyframes for Milkshape animations.

I wanted to record it being done as a video, but Fraps wouldn't record Milkshape right.
So, I had to use stills, but here it is anyway...

Hope it helps


EDIT
I made a new video showing how I merged the XM8 mesh onto the stock FPSC animations using FragMOTION.
This had been requested previously in another thread, so it had priority.
I didn't want to clutter the forums with my videos, so I will put all of my "A Quick Look At..." series here in one thread.

Here is a link to the new video "A Quick Look At FPSC Stock Weapons & FragMOTION" on YouTube.
The YouTube Flash conversion ruined the picture quality, but its ok if you watch it in High Quality.

Here is a link to the new video "A Quick Look At FPSC Stock Weapons & FragMOTION" in a clearer version. (60mb)
If you want to save this video, just right-click the link above and then select "Save Target As..."

Don't forget to visit Conjured Entertainment

Attachments

Login to view attachments
Back to top
Profile PM Website
Cosmic Prophet
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 17th Mar 2008
Location: The Cosmos
Posted: 24th Nov 2008 20:25
Link
Conjured Entertainment: This is a great contribution. Thanks. Will you be making more?

In the Universe, nothing ever stays the same.
Back to top
Profile PM Email
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 24th Nov 2008 20:31
Link
Quote: "Conjured Entertainment: This is a great contribution. Thanks. Will you be making more?"

Thanks
Hopefully, the next one will be better since this was done in a rush.

Don't forget to visit Conjured Entertainment

Back to top
Profile PM Website
Leaning Objects To The Side
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 3rd Jan 2007
Location:
Posted: 25th Nov 2008 03:35
Link
Conjured Entertainment, You did a Awesome Job on your tutorial! it helped me a lot. Thanks!

Cheers,
Tanya.

Back to top
Profile PM Email
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 25th Nov 2008 14:49
Link
Thanks Tanya,
I'm glad it was helpful.

Don't forget to visit Conjured Entertainment

Back to top
Profile PM Website
FPSCr
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Nov 2008
Location:
Posted: 25th Nov 2008 15:32
Link
USE CAMTASIA STUDIO... that works very good
Back to top
Profile PM
FPSCr
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Nov 2008
Location:
Posted: 25th Nov 2008 15:41
Link
wow, that´s really good, but can you make a video where you show how you make weapon? In other Words full
Back to top
Profile PM
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 25th Nov 2008 16:25 Edited at: 25th Nov 2008 16:28
Link
Quote: "USE CAMTASIA STUDIO... that works very good "

Thanks for the tip, but 300 bucks is more than I want to pay right now to record video.
I'll give the trial a whirl but it looks more like a video editor, whereas I only need the screen capture functions.
If I end up using this tool, then I would have to charge for the tutorial to re-coop the cost instead of giving it away for free.
I don't feel like charging for tutorials yet, because I am only covering basics right now.


Now here is a tip for you...
Use the edit button on your posts instead of double posting. (edit button is right under your avatar on your posts)
That will keep people from fussing at you about it.

Thanks

Don't forget to visit Conjured Entertainment

Back to top
Profile PM Website
Programador hispano
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 11th Jul 2006
Location: Dallas, TX
Posted: 25th Nov 2008 16:43
Link
You can use screen to exe, it only records 4 frames per second but it won't slow down Milkshape 3d at all, I can send you the file if you want because the newer version is still free and it has a little more futures but the video quality is really crappy.

Here is an example video tutorial that I made a while ago. Be nice, it was my first tutorial.

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=125252&b=21

...........(o o)........
--oooO--(_)--Oooo---
Back to top
Profile PM Email
FredP
Retired Moderator
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 27th Feb 2006
Location: Indiana
Posted: 25th Nov 2008 16:51 Edited at: 25th Nov 2008 16:52
Link
Thanks for the tutorial.

Quote: "but 300 bucks is more than I want to pay right now to record video.
"


I have Camtasia Studio (they gave an older version away for free a while back) and the drag is just as much,if not worse,than Fraps.
For my pc Fraps is the best.
Fraps is a lot easier to figure out too.
And it's a lot cheaper and the demo doesn't expire.

Failing at every guitar game ever made!
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
The Master Dinasty
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 14th Sep 2008
Location: Valhalla
Posted: 25th Nov 2008 17:34
Link
THANKS conjured ive almost given upp on animation , this was a really good tutorial but in the next tutorial can you show uss how to making the animation fit the script and such? and maybe show uss how it works ingame...

Beacause massa is the master!
Back to top
Profile PM
FredP
Retired Moderator
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 27th Feb 2006
Location: Indiana
Posted: 25th Nov 2008 17:41
Link
I usually find a similar weapon in my guns folder and use that as a blueprint for my weapon animation.

Failing at every guitar game ever made!
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 25th Nov 2008 19:36 Edited at: 26th Nov 2008 15:49
Link
Quote: "I usually find a similar weapon in my guns folder and use that as a blueprint for my weapon animation."

Yeah, that's what I do too

I did a search on screen capture and screen recorders and came up with this FREEbie...

AutoScreenRecorder from Wisdom-Soft, and it looks promising. (best of all its free for non-commercial AND commercial work)

I had to export the video in a better format (HD 720) from Movie Maker (when adding audio) in order to retain enough quality to read the button labels on the MilkShape interface, but AutoScreenRecorder worked with MilkShape.

Quote: "I have Camtasia Studio (they gave an older version away for free a while back) and the drag is just as much,if not worse,than Fraps."

Yeah, but with this you can use the FM Screen Capture Codec from Fox Magic if you need speed.
Check it out, because it is really fast.
The drawback to using that codec is the license though.

Quote: "THANKS conjured ive almost given upp on animation , this was a really good tutorial but in the next tutorial can you show uss how to making the animation fit the script and such? and maybe show uss how it works ingame..."

Thanks,
The problem with going in depth in the subject matter is that you end up with a very long video.
That means really big file sizes to have to upload/download, and that is not very user friendly.
I'll try to give as much detail in the next one without dragging the length out too much.
I'll probably just touch base on different subjects for a modular approach.
But yes, I will go into other areas and in more detail.

EDIT
I made a new video showing how I merged the XM8 mesh onto the stock FPSC animations.
This had been requested previously in another thread, so it had priority.
I didn't want to clutter the forums with my videos, so I will put all of my "A Quick Look At..." series here in one thread.

Here is a link to the new video "A Quick Look At FPSC Stock Weapons & FragMOTION" on YouTube.
The YouTube Flash conversion ruined the picture quality, but its ok if you watch it in High Quality.

Here is a link to the new video "A Quick Look At FPSC Stock Weapons & FragMOTION" in a clearer version. (60mb)
If you want to save this video, just right-click the link above and then select "Save Target As..."

Don't forget to visit Conjured Entertainment

Back to top
Profile PM Website
The Master Dinasty
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 14th Sep 2008
Location: Valhalla
Posted: 26th Nov 2008 21:58
Link
Thanks man ill look into theese!!!

you know your voice is the same as that battlefield 2 help guy?

Beacause massa is the master!
Back to top
Profile PM
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 27th Nov 2008 15:31 Edited at: 27th Nov 2008 15:35
Link
Quote: "Thanks man ill look into theese!!!"

Cool

Quote: "you know your voice is the same as that battlefield 2 help guy?"

Really? ... lol


Sorry, for the lack of the mouse pointer (cursor).
I forgot to run the program as administrator (stupid Vista), so it didn't work right.
Now, I have the cursor being displayed and it shows the little circles when you click something.
So, the next one will be much better now that I can display the cursor.
Sorry, if the lack of the cursor made it confusing or harder to understand.

Don't forget to visit Conjured Entertainment

Back to top
Profile PM Website
Leaning Objects To The Side
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 3rd Jan 2007
Location:
Posted: 27th Nov 2008 17:48
Link
Conjured Entertainment, simply put Fantastic Job!! thanks for taking the time out to put all this together! keep up the good work.btw..you do have a great voice. I hope all have a Great day.
Be safe.

Cheers,
Tanya.

Back to top
Profile PM Email
Hockeykid
DBPro Tool Maker
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 26th Sep 2007
Location:
Posted: 27th Nov 2008 20:13
Link
very nice by the way take a look at this for recording http://www.hyperionics.com/hc/

ww2theaftermathgame.webs.com
work in progress demo coming soon.
Back to top
Profile PM Email
piXX3D
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 27th Mar 2007
Location: Nowhere
Posted: 27th Nov 2008 22:50
Link
That was great... and very useful. THANKS!
Back to top
Profile PM Website
Maniac Modeler
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 15th Jan 2008
Location:
Posted: 28th Nov 2008 22:07
Link
This is great thank you so much, I've never used fragmotion or milkshape before so it's going to be all new to me. (I use Max)

Thanks! Can't wait for more.

Your signature has been erased by a mod - Please reduce it to 600x120 maximum size
Back to top
Profile PM
Nomad Soul
Moderator
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jan 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posted: 28th Nov 2008 22:10
Link
Nice tutorial

This is very helpful. So you can just import the animations for an existing weapon and apply them to a new model. Nice.

Adding a video for the FPSC import with fpe animations and gunspec etc would be a great next step.

The only thing I think people are really going to struggle with is trying to make their own animations for weapons using hands. Even when using the ones provided by SimonB from MP6 you'll need good animation skills.
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Bendak11
16
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 2nd Aug 2008
Location: The bush in your front yard.
Posted: 28th Nov 2008 23:40
Link
Very cool CE.

Back to top
Profile PM
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 29th Nov 2008 00:14 Edited at: 29th Nov 2008 00:26
Link
Thanks for the kind words everybody.


Quote: "Adding a video for the FPSC import with fpe animations and gunspec etc would be a great next step."

Yeah, the good thing about using the stock animations is that you can use the same gunspec with just a few changes.

Quote: "The only thing I think people are really going to struggle with is trying to make their own animations for weapons using hands. Even when using the ones provided by SimonB from MP6 you'll need good animation skills. "

Yeah, I found that out on the XM8, but they didn't turn out too bad for only using two bones.
There are a couple tricks to making the task of adding hands easier, so that would make a good video.

Quote: "Thanks! Can't wait for more."

I want to do the next video about UV Mapping in FragMOTION.
I touched base on texturing a bit in the last one when we filled in the clip's hole, but I did not show anything about the UV Mapping.
It will be short (A Quick Look At), as I plan to keep each one under ten minutes if possible.
So, I would basically show how to Map the different sides of a basic object like a clip or something.

Don't forget to visit Conjured Entertainment

Back to top
Profile PM Website
Nomad Soul
Moderator
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jan 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posted: 29th Nov 2008 03:00 Edited at: 29th Nov 2008 03:59
Link
Quote: "Yeah, I found that out on the XM8, but they didn't turn out too bad for only using two bones.
There are a couple tricks to making the task of adding hands easier, so that would make a good video."


If you've had some success animating the XM8 with hands that would be a really useful video. Especially for the tricks you mention as when I last tried I found it difficult just to see what I was doing because of all the joints and bones in a small area.

Edit - I've attached a pic to give an idea. Pick the bones out of that.

Attachments

Login to view attachments
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 29th Nov 2008 04:12 Edited at: 29th Nov 2008 04:46
Link
Quote: "If you've had some success animating the XM8 with hands that would be a really useful video."

Yes I have had some success at it.
TGC was kind enough to allow me to release the modified commando files in the XM8 thread.
Check out that thread for the download. (the one with hands is there too)

Quote: "Especially for the tricks you mention as when I last tried I found it difficult just to see what I was doing because of all the joints and bones in a small area."

I did not want to even try to manipulate that many bones either, and if you aren't using them then you don't need them.
So, the first thing I did was remove all of the hand bones and relaced them with two. (one for arm and one for hand)
That made animating them easier, and it turned out better than I thought it would with only two bones.
Check it out in the XM8 thread if you want the downloads, or if you just want a peek then watch a video of it on YouTube.
Just remember that the XM8 has a button in front of the trigger to release the self-falling clip, so your other hand can be grabbing another clip.
It speeds the loading of the XM8, and explains why the hand catches the empty clip in air, rather than pulling it out.
In our case though, we caught the empty instead of letting it fall.

Quote: "Edit - I've attached a pic to give an idea. Pick the bones out of that."

WOW!
Looks like reducing the joint size may help there.
Here is what my version looks like...
Luckily the shape of the hand holding the gun was perfect for holding the clip too, so the fingers didn't need bones.

Don't forget to visit Conjured Entertainment

Attachments

Login to view attachments
Back to top
Profile PM Website
djmaster
User Banned
Posted: 29th Nov 2008 15:04
Link
can you also post a picture of how the settings for exporting in milkshape would look like?

Current FPSC Projects:
When Zombies Attack-10%
Back to top
Profile
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 29th Nov 2008 19:40 Edited at: 29th Nov 2008 19:52
Link
Quote: "can you also post a picture of how the settings for exporting in milkshape would look like?"

I already did that in the XM8 thread, but here is it again.
NOTE: To get to this panel click File>Export>DirectX (JT)...
Of course, your number of frames in the animation range may differ, but the rest should be the same.
The "Positioon Scaling" setting is the one to remember, because it defaults to .1 every time, which is no good.



Don't forget to visit Conjured Entertainment

Back to top
Profile PM Website
Nomad Soul
Moderator
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Jan 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posted: 30th Nov 2008 17:53
Link
Quote: "I did not want to even try to manipulate that many bones either, and if you aren't using them then you don't need them."


Good point. Once I removed the finger bones things became more managable. After some testing I modified Luke314pi's Railroad Tie melee weapon and added animated MP6 hands. See attached.

Thanks for the help Conjured Entertainment.

Attachments

Login to view attachments
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 30th Nov 2008 19:42 Edited at: 30th Nov 2008 19:43
Link
Looks nice Nomad.

That railroad tie would take both hands to swing, so it looks realistic with both hands.
I do notice the end of the finger tips going a bit into the tie on the left hand.
So, you might want to rotate the hand a bit, but the arm looks ok.
It's really not that noticable though, so you could just leave it like it is.

Glad I could help.

Don't forget to visit Conjured Entertainment

Back to top
Profile PM Website
Maniac Modeler
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 15th Jan 2008
Location:
Posted: 30th Nov 2008 23:05
Link
This tutorial is great, check this out Conjured Entertainment!


Your signature has been erased by a mod - Please reduce it to 600x120 maximum size

Attachments

Login to view attachments
Back to top
Profile PM
CoffeeGrunt
17
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Oct 2007
Location: England
Posted: 30th Nov 2008 23:57
Link
Awesome tut mate. I needed this, shame I suck at animating though....

Back to top
Profile PM Email
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 1st Dec 2008 00:26
Link
Thanks guys, and nice work Maniac.
Nice way to point out that it isn't limited to modifying stock stuff.
I guess if you started with a weapon that already has hands then it makes it a lot easier to get hands onto your custom weapon.


Don't forget to visit Conjured Entertainment

Back to top
Profile PM Website
Back to top

Login to post a reply

Server time is: 2025-06-13 07:49:29
Your offset time is: 2025-06-13 07:49:29