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FPSC Classic Models and Media / Stolen Texture on the TGC Store!?

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Marc Steene
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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 08:13
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I was looking through the available products, and I came across a grass segment by AeroFiles under Platforms/Floor.

The grass texture used is almost exactly the same as the grass texture that tshawrz used in his free landscape pack. I doubt AeroFiles is tshawrz, because terry has no reason to sell it if he is giving the entire pack away for free.

See the comparison below. The similiraties are to close for comfort, you can even make out the same grass patterns. Having photoshop myself, I know how easy it is to make a texture look different (I have have written AeroFiles over the texture to 'protect' it):

Tshawrz:



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Looks like he just pushed the saturation up, and blurred it slightly. What do you guys think?

P.S I want my 20 store points back that I used to buy this with

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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 08:32
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Good spot, they are similar, but more likely tshawrz took it off the GCS.


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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 09:05
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I believe his landscape pack has been around a lot longer than the GCS, unless of course both him and Aero got the texture off an external website.

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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 09:22
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Could you give me a link?


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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 10:14
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http://www.fpsfree.com/downloads.htm

Go there, and go down to the landscape pack

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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 11:25
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You could be correct. I think TGC should look into this.

Maybe I just have issues against people whose names I find difficult to pronounce.


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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 11:54 Edited at: 8th Dec 2008 11:56
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Also there is someone else selling modeal and textures that arnt theres, look at the barrels and crates models Bloodhound 2 has then look at link i give you http://www.dexsoft-games.com/models/barrels.html i have told Dexsoft and they replyed that the seller is selling there free items and will contact tga store!

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Marc Steene
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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 12:29
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Those crates are nice. I contacted Rick

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Wow, now TGC really has to inspect before they allow it.



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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 14:31 Edited at: 8th Dec 2008 14:32
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TGC can't just check everything , there a lot of people that trying to make money on easy way.
And I hope who does that will be punished .

Btw the container is probably just a same texture but a different model , the texture probably came from http://www.cgtextures.com/

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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 14:43 Edited at: 8th Dec 2008 14:49
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Quote: "the texture probably came from http://www.cgtextures.com/"

That is what I want to think; that they both got it from the same free resource.

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you can not just go to a free resource and grab whatever texture you want, they have to be " free copyright free " or " free royalty free " for you to use them in your commercial projects, otherwise you are still breaking copyrights on them. Most of the free stuff around is free, but you can not sell it in any way unless is stated in the website or in the actual download. If it says free you can use for your freeware games and you can not sell it in any way. If it says royalty free, you can use it in your commercial games for texturing your models, but most of the time you can not sell it individually or in a pack.

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cgtextures license is not restricted to royalty free:
"Conditions of Use

Use of the Textures is only allowed under one or more of the following conditions:
- Private or commercial use
- Use in 2D or 3D computer graphics, movies and printed media
- Incorporation in computer games, 3D models
- Selling 3D models bundled with modified versions of the textures, when the texture is customized for the 3D model"

So imho you can use them in a model and sell the model.

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daarboven is right, read the FAQ.

I also have a texture library on my site, i done these with my camera so its all my own work (best way)

http://www.fps-x-games.com/index.html
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Posted: 9th Dec 2008 08:14 Edited at: 9th Dec 2008 08:15
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@X games and daarboven

It also declares:

It is NOT permitted to:
- Sell or distribute any of these textures in an unmodified form, or where the derived product you are selling or distributing is a Texture or a collection of Textures. In other words: Do not sell or distribute any of these textures (modified or not) by itself or in a texture pack!

Basically, if you havn't modified it, you can't sell it. If you modify it, you can sell it as long as it's not just the texture that you are selling.

People are buying the texture, not the segment itself.

If anything else, it's a lack of morals and it's tricking the buyer into paying for something he doesn't need to.

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Posted: 9th Dec 2008 10:59 Edited at: 9th Dec 2008 11:14
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@ marc steene

Yeah you just repeted daarboven

You know more than one user uses this site! I have only just found this site and its all thanks to this thread!

Look at this image! been edited i know but not a lot! and mybe the grass on a floor segment was too basic but let us not forget FPSC Online, LandScape Construction Kit! I not saying its cool to take textures you have not done yourself and slap it on a box mesh! I with you marc

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Posted: 9th Dec 2008 17:31
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There needs to be much stricter moderating of the store uploads. Not only are some of the models and textures from third parties (I thought the contract for the store made you declare that ALL the work was yours?), but there's a heck of a lot of badly made media which in my opinion brings the store down.

It should be a place where you know you are buying quality, legit media.

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Posted: 9th Dec 2008 17:57 Edited at: 10th Dec 2008 03:27
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Quote: "I contacted Rick"

Then I am sure it is being taken care of, so lets wait for the results of Rick's investigation.

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Posted: 9th Dec 2008 19:45
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@Conjured

So according to you, I can go and download all their thousands of textures and sell them on the TGC store? That's a good way to make a quick bit of money.

Quote: "Wait a minute, so it's not a segment?
Are the files packaged together, or are they a separate download?
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People aren't paying for the segment, they're paying for the texture. That's like me stealing a Chuppa Chup lollipop, and replacing the stick with my own and selling it.

And I'm pretty sure it's against the store license anyway

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Quote: "So according to you, I can go and download all their thousands of textures and sell them on the TGC store? That's a good way to make a quick bit of money."

If you were to put them on segments, you are exactly right.

Though you wouldn't get any sales because it's just as easy to get a free texture and apply it to a floor thing in Firma.


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Posted: 9th Dec 2008 20:04
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Aero managed to get 53 sales even though the texture could have been free

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Posted: 9th Dec 2008 20:46 Edited at: 10th Dec 2008 03:28
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Edited

Sorry, I misquoted the license.

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Q. Can I upload other people's models?
A. You can only upload models that you own 100%. The 3D model, textures, scripts and all other files for the model must be your own work

Even if he doesn't infringe CG Textures license, he's infringing the TGC store license.

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Guys, we're going off track here. We're just under the assumption that the texture is from CG Textures, when it may not be.

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Quote: "Guys, we're going off track here. We're just under the assumption that the texture is from CG Textures, when it may not be."


well i cant see it on CG!

Quote: "P.S I want my 20 store points back that I used to buy this with "


If only i could give you 20 store points, i would, i mean you paid 20points for this and then found the texture and thought "i could do that for free" 20 store points thats like 10P in uk money, what could 10p buy you in uk?
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Quote: "what could 10p buy you in uk? "


10 cola bottles from a pick 'n' mix place.

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Posted: 9th Dec 2008 23:50 Edited at: 9th Dec 2008 23:52
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simple fix to this , don't buy texture from cgtextures, problem solved. unless you are using it as wallpaper the texture is useless.

I'm not a bad person, I'm just modeled that way...........lol
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I would have to agree with heltor, in some way. I personally think that just making textures yourself is a much better way to go. You get a greater sense of achievement that way.


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I can't find this texture on CGtextures, so i don't think it came from there. Where ever this came from, i think aerofiles should post in here with an explination. It could be that he has a lisence for it. Obviously if aerofiles is not a frequent forum user then this might be difficult, however there must be someway of TGC contacting him.

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Maybe...maybe they both took a picture of the same bit of grass. Ever think about that?
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yes I thought of that they both took the same picture of grass that the original photographer took the one that owns the copyright. they all live next to the same park. it's aperfect world full of daisy pictures..........hahaa

I'm not a bad person, I'm just modeled that way...........lol
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Well... Me and inspire both made crate textures once and it ended up that they were almost exactly the same. We used the same base image, the same type of crate, there were only a few small differences, so it can happen.



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I guess I was to elusive on my post lol. Coincidences are rare in this world. 3 people with the same picture. 2 on the same site? I don't trust, I guess It's just me. As forest Gump says "that's all I have to say about that"

I'm not a bad person, I'm just modeled that way...........lol
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WHOA, WHOA, WHOa, WHoa, Whoa, whoa, this just..wow I really surprised a mod has not locked this people, I do think that it is all right to download it for free the crates and stuff, but it does seem to attack against the TGC stores rules:

Q. Can I upload other people's models?
A. You can only upload models that you own 100%. The 3D model, textures, scripts and all other files for the model must be your own work

Chances are that this thread will be locked, but I don't like to be negative. Lets try and not get so angry jeez, calm down people.

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Quote: "Q. Can I upload other people's models?
A. You can only upload models that you own 100%. The 3D model, textures, scripts and all other files for the model must be your own work"

You're right.
Where did I get that pemission stuff??
I should have looked the specifics up again before trusting my memory.
Sorry, its been too long since I uploaded anything.

I edited my post.

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Quote: "Quote: "Q. Can I upload other people's models?
A. You can only upload models that you own 100%. The 3D model, textures, scripts and all other files for the model must be your own work"
You're right.
Where did I get that pemission stuff??
I should have looked the specifics up again before trusting my memory.
Sorry, its been too long since I uploaded anything.

I edited my post.
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Don't worry we all have off days, but we should really contact this guy, although he seems familiar...

edit: duhh..he made signs which well what happened to it I was talking to him a while ago about Signs 3D and he disappered shame though, people are becoming corrupt here. If I could bring users back I would bring UberDroid (MagicFPS creator) and Butterfingers they really paused the limits and helped people do what was possible with FPS Creator on there own and not stealing things.

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Yeah...I was looking forward to Umbra 2

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Quote: "Butterfingers"

Butters is alive & kicking. He made a few recent posts, like his knight retexture...


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The contract that you sign says:
Quote: "
You promise that all assets which you upload are your own original work (or properly licensed to)"


So I believe this is OK.

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aw thanks....

I'm around. I just can't get my exports into FPSC from milkshape or Maya, so I'm at a standstill.

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You didn't have any problems with it before...that sucks.

To clarify my last post, I meant physically taking a picture of the same bit of grass, not both using the same reference picture.

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Thats a shame

@Inspire
That possibility would be even lower than glocalnet...

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